SWTOR: Catch-All

Loaded this up last night and looked at my level 41 bounty hunter. I fiddled with the interface for about 5 minutes, realized i couldn't get what i needed displayed on two panel bars, quit and launched GW2. I think i'm done here.

It seems Star Wars MMOs are doomed to go through a NGE moment regardless who makes them. Wonder if Clone Wars will suffer the same fate?

It seems Star Wars MMOs are doomed to go through a NGE moment regardless who makes them. Wonder if Clone Wars will suffer the same fate?

So sad, but true. I think they looked at all the other f2p conversions and took the worst aspect from them. For example AoC has the 2 character slot per account limit. DDO has the access limitations to content but somehow it works for DDO or it is less rigid than SWTOR's seems.

And then you have the UI limitations, which seem like a scam born of their own genius.

Can you buy the extra character slots and tool bars? If so I would be willing to maybe do that if I ever decided to play again. I doubt that I ever will. I'm not about to delete any of my alts just to play for free.

Well Lotro, looks like you get to keep my MMO monies for now.

*Full disclosure I do resub to Lotro whenever I get the urge to play again. It's nice to know all my characters and stuff are there if I don't resub; you just lose out on doing some quests. Although most of my chars are into the expansions by now, which I own all of and can play with or without a sub.

I've loaded it up a few times now, and I think I'm already done.

It doesn't make me want to keep going. It actually makes me want to stop playing, install KotOR I or II, and play that instead.

And I've just got to get this off my chest. Why the hell can't anyone write a good dark force story? WHY? It always comes down to the same old crap. Hate, revenge, or something godawful emo. At one point, the game actually gave me a goddamn reason to betray someone, with f*cking logic. I started up an inquisitor, and around level 4 or 5 (this is about an hour in for me), I have an apprentice of some dickhead say "hey, bring me that brain he's looking for. I'll reward you for helping me betray fatty McDickhead over there, and then you'll get his reward too."

I was impressed. The game actually lured me to do something against my nature. I normally play light-sided stuff, because it's more my personality. But they even F'd that up, because I got freakin' light-side points for it!

This game is pretty, but that's about all I can say about it. It seems more like a Korean MMO in that it's so freakin' grindy. Go here, now go here, collect these, kill this guy, go across the map now, go kill these things. It'd at least be a bit more bearable if I could at least have a lightsaber, but I'm stuck with this silly-looking cattle-prod of poking stuff.

OK, I think I'm done. I might log in later to see if some of the non-force users are more tolerable.

About to jump into this F2play version,
any tips for a complere MMORPG virgin ?

Brownypoints wrote:

About to jump into this F2play version,
any tips for a complere MMORPG virgin ?

Start with a good game?

Spoiler:

ZING!

Nice one:)

Brownypoints wrote:

About to jump into this F2play version,
any tips for a complere MMORPG virgin ?

Go play LotRO or DDO or some other F2P MMO?

And Pur, the reason they can't come up with a good dark jedi storyline is exactly what you listed: They boxed themselves into a corner with how Jedi turn to the darkside, and you listed all the ways it happens.

So the view on the Old Republic MMO forum is ....go play another game!?

So far so good, bit of a cakewalk in the intro area, landscape textures making me miss skyrim:)
whats the difference between this and DDO and LotRO ?
i dont have any friends who play these games and im in an odd time zone - japan so i was attracted to this one coz I really wanted another Bioware single player game ala dragon age origins, so this free to play Old Republic could soak up some time until Dragonborn is released.

PurEvil wrote:

OK, I think I'm done. I might log in later to see if some of the non-force users are more tolerable.

The Inquisitor storyline left me pretty cold, although I've only done to the end of Act I.

I'm only a little way into the Trooper story line, but that has a decent dark side path so far - it plays around with end-justifies-the-means, doing-nasty-things-for-the-greater-good sort of stuff. The Imperial agent is similar.

A fair number of the Jedi Consular dark choices are focused around the lust for knowledge, which is at least something slightly different. They're a pretty mixed bag though - for every "do I ask this force spirit about the lost Sith teachings" there's an "oh noes do I save the random npc or the holocrons".

Sith Warrior storyline is pretty solid, if not especially novel.

DDO and LotRO both look better, play better, and don't punish you outrageously for not being a subscriber. Paying to both is worth it for certain quest packs and modules, but Turbine didn't outright break the game for free players.

That said, if all you want is a single player experience, with no expectations for ops, flashpoints or PvP and are fine with only one action bar(this is the most retarded thing of all), then TOR will deliver, in an exceptionally grindy fashion about halfway through.

AnimeJ wrote:

the reason they can't come up with a good dark jedi storyline is exactly what you listed: They boxed themselves into a corner with how Jedi turn to the darkside, and you listed all the ways it happens.

Well, yes and no. You're right but you also can't tell the story of how your character continues to make morally ambiguous choices until they slowly descend into the dark side in the same game in which bringing someone 10 jawa spleens constitutes a quest.

That said, I enjoyed the Sith warrior storyline regardless of it being fairly predictable.

Oh and Guild Wars 2 is free this weekend. I got roped into playing it. If you haven't played an MMO, that's a good place to start. $50 and you get all the MMO you need forever with no monthly fees.

I tried out the F2P system on the test server a while back, and was worried that some of the reactions would be what was posted here. Bioware really should have trusted in the cosmetic and add-ons material in their store, and restrictions less. I guess we'll see where the store goes in the future when more contra becomes available. Anyways, I'm at least enjoying the new content. The first part of the quest to get your HK droid aboard a derelict space ship in particular is great.

It looks like no one will really be coming back to IPP. I've kind of been keeping the lights on and see what happens with the F2P transition. I have no desire to start up with a guild full of strangers, as I was really fond of playing with just you strangers when I was able to. I have not had a bad experience with PUGs, but I don't think its enough to make me venture out. I think because I'm the only one that'd logged in constantly in as many months, the game might move me to leader. I may continue to keep the lights on in case anyone returns, or wants to talk to me

PurEvil wrote:

And I've just got to get this off my chest. Why the hell can't anyone write a good dark force story? WHY? It always comes down to the same old crap. Hate, revenge, or something godawful emo. At one point, the game actually gave me a goddamn reason to betray someone, with f*cking logic. I started up an inquisitor, and around level 4 or 5 (this is about an hour in for me), I have an apprentice of some dickhead say "hey, bring me that brain he's looking for. I'll reward you for helping me betray fatty McDickhead over there, and then you'll get his reward too."

I was impressed. The game actually lured me to do something against my nature. I normally play light-sided stuff, because it's more my personality. But they even F'd that up, because I got freakin' light-side points for it!

I actually agree with the outcome of that mission. The reward isn't based off just being an evil douche, but rather for furthering or hindering the quest for knowledge of the darkside. It's slightly more sophisticated than many of the other moral decisions in the game.

I just wanted to share my opinion that the F2P system they adopted is completely retarded. I had hope for the game, crushed by EA/Bioware once again.

Ive Jumped into the f2p. Now im a complete MMORPG noob and have no friends playing this so im just playing it like a single player game, however it seems fine so far.
Im only level 6 but the only restrictions i have come across is the limited fast travel. The other restrictions on PvP stuff and limiting the game to 2 characters etc wont really effect my single player exp. OF course im only 3 hours in so i dont really know much and stand ready to be corrected

TOR doesn't really suffer too much if you play it as a RPG. I was definitely going to pick the game back up to finish all of my characters' storylines, and that was the only reason I wanted to pick it up. Sure it was fun chatting with Goodjers in the guild chat and grouping with them, but I enjoyed doing the story missions most. Too bad F2P sucks. I even downloaded KOTOR last night cause I was bummed I couldn't finish my story...last time I tried playing KOTOR I had a really hard time getting past its old graphics and pre-Mass Effect/Dragon Age GUI. Also, I remember it crashing a lot.

I got the the last boss of Coruscant on my Jedi Knight and I am apparently not ever close to being able to take him out. I am level 14, so I guess I just need to grind up a bit...which I really don't want to do....so I might just be done.

I feel that mwdowns, I tried to play KOTOR last month, the UI is .....difficult to adjust to i guess is a nice way of saying it. gave up after about 2 hours.
Yesh, must be cold on Sado at this time of year.

It is. Windy too!

Had the same problems when I tried last year. Maybe I can get past it this time. If not, no worries.

Brownypoints wrote:

So the view on the Old Republic MMO forum is ....go play another game!?

So far so good, bit of a cakewalk in the intro area, landscape textures making me miss skyrim:)
whats the difference between this and DDO and LotRO ?
i dont have any friends who play these games and im in an odd time zone - japan so i was attracted to this one coz I really wanted another Bioware single player game ala dragon age origins, so this free to play Old Republic could soak up some time until Dragonborn is released.

I'm going to be contrarian here and recommend that if you're having fun go ahead and play through Act 1 (I think that's around level 30 or so for most classes). During that time you'll get to experience a very character-focused story, have fun in low level pvp and enjoy space missions. Additionally, you won't have too many skills so the broken UI system won't hurt that bad. Once you get into higher levels you'll start to realize just how badly the side quests repeat themselves, and unfortunately you won't be able to just play the excellent storyline missions exclusively to level. PVP also gets incredibly brutal at higher levels if you're into that at all.

The more I think about it, the more I'm surprised EA/Bioware weren't a lot more smart about their FTP options. The storylines are the best part of the game, and I bet many players would be happy to shell out for xp boosts that would allow them to play just the stories without having to do all the stupid sidequests.

I think some executive somewhere said "I want to run ads that say you can play all the way to level 50 for free. Now figure out how to make money without making me a liar."

What we're left with is a broken game that you have to pay to fix.

The system probably works just fine when you're just growing your interface along with your character. If you're returning to a high level character then it just looks like a mess. Word of mouth is going to kill them on this.

They should have just followed LotRO's lead and charged a few bucks per planet. Hell, the "bonus series" quests would work well with that system... can't/don't want to pay for the next world just yet? There's more to do here on this planet. They'd get the money anyway, but the flexibility would build good will.

I've gone ahead and activated a time card that I had laying around. That'll give me 2 months of subscriber stipend on top of whatever they gave me for subscribing at launch. Once that runs out I'll see if I'm left with anything playable...

jdzappa wrote:

The storylines are the best part of the game, and I bet many players would be happy to shell out for xp boosts that would allow them to play just the stories without having to do all the stupid sidequests.

I hate to admit it, but I would cheerfully drop $10 per character for that on top of the subscription fees.

Do the GWJ guilds still exist? What server(s) are they on? The links in the OP appear to be broken...

Vargen wrote:

Do the GWJ guilds still exist? What server(s) are they on? The links in the OP appear to be broken...

On the Imperial Side, there's Imperial Paper Pushers on the Jedi Covenant server. I'm really the only one logging in over there, so the game made me guildmaster. If you are on that server and want in, just drop me a line. My toon is Portabello.

I don't know if The Gray Council on the pub side is still active. I think I did a sear a while back and thought I saw some members on, but I'm not sure.

Well, since it just went free to play, I caved and downloaded it, decided to give it a try. Anyone at all still playing? I'm more of the "goody two shoes" tendency, so I'll probably go Republic, but what server is everyone playing on? Jedi Covenant?

Darth Nader wrote:
Vargen wrote:

Do the GWJ guilds still exist? What server(s) are they on? The links in the OP appear to be broken...

On the Imperial Side, there's Imperial Paper Pushers on the Jedi Covenant server. I'm really the only one logging in over there, so the game made me guildmaster. If you are on that server and want in, just drop me a line. My toon is Portabello.

I don't know if The Gray Council on the pub side is still active. I think I did a sear a while back and thought I saw some members on, but I'm not sure.

At present, myself and my wife are playing in Gray Council. We're actually trying to get the guild master title but TOR customer service is being absolutely horrendous about it. How did you go about it? Our GM has been gone for over 60 days, should it do it automatically?

As soon as I can get invite rights, I will be happy to invite anyone to GC that's interested in joining us.

Rezakh wrote:
Darth Nader wrote:
Vargen wrote:

Do the GWJ guilds still exist? What server(s) are they on? The links in the OP appear to be broken...

On the Imperial Side, there's Imperial Paper Pushers on the Jedi Covenant server. I'm really the only one logging in over there, so the game made me guildmaster. If you are on that server and want in, just drop me a line. My toon is Portabello.

I don't know if The Gray Council on the pub side is still active. I think I did a sear a while back and thought I saw some members on, but I'm not sure.

At present, myself and my wife are playing in Gray Council. We're actually trying to get the guild master title but TOR customer service is being absolutely horrendous about it. How did you go about it? Our GM has been gone for over 60 days, should it do it automatically?

As soon as I can get invite rights, I will be happy to invite anyone to GC that's interested in joining us.

Oh you should post over at graycouncil.com, but i'll let them know you're wanting control.

AnimeJ wrote:

And Pur, the reason they can't come up with a good dark jedi storyline is exactly what you listed: They boxed themselves into a corner with how Jedi turn to the darkside, and you listed all the ways it happens.

They can write in whatever they want. The lust for power should be an easy lure for most players (and someone mentioned that it's something that gives darkside points on the jedi side), given that most of the drive for MMO players is making the character more powerful with items/skills/powers/etc.

I'm feeling a little bit better about the game so far, but I pretty much had to force myself to stop thinking about the motives behind NPC's conversation options, and just focus on character development. I haven't hit any of the restrictions really, but I know that 2 toolbar restriction is going to be ugly very soon (and I'm only level 11).