Superman: Man of Steel Catch All

Mex wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

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Looks like Superman has been skipping on leg days at the gym

Its easy to forget legs when you fly...or so i hear.

Holla wrote:
Mex wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

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Looks like Superman has been skipping on leg days at the gym

Its easy to forget legs when you fly...or so i hear.

Or if you swim!

I wonder how he'll hide those biceps and shoulders under a suit.... I mean, i've seen wrestlers (sorry, i mean "wrestlers") in suits and it's just wrong!!!

There was a new trailer right before Batman.

No, I think you're mistaking that for Deadliest Catch: Sonic Boom.

I'm fairly excited to see a new Superman movie, hopefully they do it right. That trailer did nothing for me though. It did look more like a trailer for Deadliest Catch than a new superman movie

I didn't know this was coming, saw the trailer before Dark Knight Rises and thought... ARRGH, Superman AGAIN?!

How many times have you rebooted him now Hollywood? He's a relic, he doesn't make sense as a character anymore. He's pretty much the walking embodiment of Deus Ex Machina, his powers seem to be whatever they need to be to solve the current problem, and his weakness is always the same, there's no suspense.

Redwing wrote:

I didn't know this was coming, saw the trailer before Dark Knight Rises and thought... ARRGH, Superman AGAIN?!

How many times have you rebooted him now Hollywood? He's a relic, he doesn't make sense as a character anymore. He's pretty much the walking embodiment of Deus Ex Machina, his powers seem to be whatever they need to be to solve the current problem, and his weakness is always the same, there's no suspense.

I largely agree. I still have fondness for the posted clip below. But that could be that it's my childhood plus Christopher Reeve is awesome plus the spectacle was enough back then. Asking for a movie to be complex when it's essentially about a god is a tall order. That just seems really really difficult to pull off. For all its flaws I thought Superman Returns was bordering on the one important and interesting thing about Superman. Namely that he's not from here and no matter how much good he does he will always be alone.

As long as it isn't another origin story (or a really odd rehashing, like in Returns). I think we all know where Superman came from; we don't need another film that spends an hour on the Kent farm.

Gremlin wrote:

As long as it isn't another origin story (or a really odd rehashing, like in Returns). I think we all know where Superman came from; we don't need another film that spends an hour on the Kent farm.

This is what I was alluding to earlier. There are interesting stories to tell about Superman. They just happen to take long after the character is established. Hollywood will never get from here to there by continually retelling the origin story. Especially one as bland as Superman's. And they'll definitely never get to a Justice League movie, assuming they actually want to do that.

Apparently there were two different voice over possiblities for the teaser. Jor-El or Pa Kent.

You can see them both at Firstshowing.net (direct link) Although they both have the same footage the different tones of the voiceovers does make it feel different.

Liked them both.

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I have even less interest in this than I do in a reboot of the Spiderman universe. It looks like yet another origin story, and I am really tired of superhero origin stories. I didn't mind the "Been gone for years" in Superman Returns or The Dark Knight Rises, even if it meant we had to spend some time re-establishing the universe. Zack Snyder can get a really great visual look, but Superman is just so boring.

Also, when did Enya-ish Lord of the Rings music become a thing in trailers?

It might be just me but I don't think Henry Caville is big enough to really pull off Superman. I mean, from the comics I imagine Superman being this heavily muscled, ripped dude. Of course none of the portrayals of Superman have really been that big (with the possible exception of the guy from Lois & Clark).

I like Zach Snyder. And Chris Nolan has gotten enough traction for me to think he is not placing his name on junk. But I suppose we could have said the same of Stephen Spielberg long ago.

Inspired by the Dark Knight teaser, I am introducing my wife to be to Richard Donner's Superman films. Overlooking the 70's ness of the effects, it is not half bad still.

I did enjoy Immortals a fair bit.

I am not going to bitch too much, I am part of our problem. I will see most comic movies. I am actually looking forward to this one.

All I want, is a chance to see Doomsday on the big screen. That is all. And if a Superman Reboot takes off, I get a shot.

At first I thought it was the guy who plays Neil Caffrey from White Collar (Matt Bomer). Superman needs to be a large presence, which is part of the reason Brandon Routh felt like a bad fit for Superman Returns.

I think there can be good stories told about Superman, and I'm not really a fan of Superman. A lot of people assume he's invulnerable to everything except kryptonite, because he's sometimes portrayed this way, but not always. How did he die in the Death of Superman? A fist fight with a cosmic level badass.

The best Superman stories, in my opinion, are the ones that force him to make moral choices, force him to question loyalties and friendships, and put his concepts of truth, law, and justice as odds with each other. See The Dark Knight Returns, but especially Kingdom Come.

In the first set of Superman comic books, Superman is f***ing mean. He has anger management issues. He likes beating up criminals. He burned down slums so that the government would be forced to build poor people better housing.

We need a movie with that Superman, not the one dimensional guy we know today.

After watching those, I don't have any expectations here; I expect this to suck so hard it unbalances the air conditioning. The only choices we seem to have here is that they either will turn this guy into some sort of angsty, gray-tinged lone-wolf type a la Smallville or turn him into a skeezy stalker/frelling idiot like they did with Routh's version. I could name 10 other costumed dudes who could benefit from this treatment; why do they keep picking Superman?

Quintin's commentary is spot-on. Kingdom Come in particular. Superman is not supposed to be about his power. You can make a good story with him no matter what power-level you give him. The point of Superman is he really is a guy who believes all that truth/justice/boy scout creed stuff, and the conflict is the exquisite corners that paints him into as he tries to deal with a world/universe that seems to not want to run like that. It's not what he can do; it's what he will or won't do and what that says about him, and about us. It doesn't matter if he's the "limited" version or not, because a good writer could put that conflict into play with him set as all-powerful, or if his only power was helping little old ladies across the street.

This isn't even close to the only story that's gotten this treatment lately, and I've waxed rhapsodic about it every time. I'll try my best not to rehash it too hard as we get closer to the release date.

You can do a film about tough moral choices and internal battles, but it's tough to have that be the same film with big battles and splashy effects. I mean, let's face it, the reason they keep coming back to Superman is because the general public knows the name. Your great-grandmother probably knows who he is. So there's a conflict between what makes a good Superman film and why they're making the film.

The right team could pull it off, but only if they have a core vision of what kind of story you can tell with Superman.

Actually, now I want to see a smaller, quieter Superman film. Something without a villain or a fist fight. He can do his heroics and save people (because that's who his is, in a sense) but it's superman vs. nature or superman vs. himself (and I don't mean his clone).

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Isn't that a problem with all superhero films and the way they're constructed. There has to be a villain because the stakes have to be high. To me Green Lantern was one of the best examples recently. Absolutely the worst "villains". A geek and a cloud monster. Ugh. But there has to be a villain.

I don't have hopes or expectations for this film. But I do think that it can be pulled off just like some others have said. I don't give too much stock to Chris Nolan having his name as a Producer. I love Nolan to death (Memento is still my favorite movie ever) but having him just consult and fill seats with his name is whatever. Snyder has a hit and miss record and I thought "Watchmen" was on the boring end of the spectrum. If the movie stays to just the legend of Superman and grandiose ideas, I think it will be kinda boring. But if they get intimate and make it about a malleable character, then who knows? Either way, I'm not holding my breath for this movie. But maybe I'll be surprised!

Gremlin wrote:

Also, when did Enya-ish Lord of the Rings music become a thing in trailers?

I'd say it goes back at least as far as the LOTR trilogy.

HansomB1derful wrote:
Gremlin wrote:

Also, when did Enya-ish Lord of the Rings music become a thing in trailers?

I'd say it goes back at least as far as the LOTR trilogy.

? From before even then? I saw some spy movies from the 70s had Clannad playing and probably more even before then.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. Snyder will make a visual spectacle, no doubt, but hopefully Nolan can keep him grounded a bit.

As others said, Superman can be boring. I'd much rather they try something different like Red Son.

Kurt Busiek's The Samaritan is a good superman story.

HansomB1derful wrote:

I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. Snyder will make a visual spectacle, no doubt, but hopefully Nolan can keep him grounded a bit.

As others said, Superman can be boring. I'd much rather they try something different like Red Son.

That would be amazing. I would love for hollywood to get to the point where they were either content with the niche-ness of such a project or comfortable with the literacy of the market to be able to move past origins and get into interesting stuff like that.

I think it could be possible to do a good Superman film... but I still ask, why bother? You can make a movie examining moral choices, boy-scout vs. a cynical universe, with a much more interesting hero. I'm not at all knowledgeable about comics beyond the basics, especially with regards to DC, but there has to be some other interesting superheroes out there that could benefit from the movie treatment?

With regards to his overpoweredness, while Superman isn't always portrayed as completely godlike, that certainly seems to be the modern interpretation of him. And even then, that just means you can add "Internally inconsistent" to the heap of reasons not to like Superman stories.

Anyway, I'll back off. I don't want to be That Guy, I know my Superman hate isn't universal and there's nothing worse than haters polluting a thread that genuine fans might be interested in.

Redwing wrote:

I'm not at all knowledgeable about comics beyond the basics, especially with regards to DC, but there has to be some other interesting superheroes out there that could benefit from the movie treatment?

Well, since we're not getting the Sandman Decalogy...

Redwing wrote:

I think it could be possible to do a good Superman film... but I still ask, why bother?

Because money.

Gremlin wrote:

Also, when did Enya-ish Lord of the Rings music become a thing in trailers?

Interesting. That's the actual track that plays immediately after the fellowship exits Moria in FOTR.