NHL 12 Catch-All

omnipherous wrote:

Thanks for that! I suppose it was more down to attributes than physical stick location when manual shooting. I'll probably give manual another try this evening and see if I can get anywhere. I am glad there aren't 'always score' methods, as it just ruins the game and is too tempting to do if you go behind...

I'm not sure how to call for a pass, actually. I find it annoying that the manual is in-game only, it means I can't just look things up while i'm playing.. I guess that's the 'go-green' attitude, which I can't complain about really.

I think the main thing about deking I have to learn is how much the right-stick relates to the hockey stick movement. I initially thought it was just a wide-left/right type of movement, but I now realise that there is MUCH more control to it than that, which looks awesome on the videos i've watched... just have to train myself to use it.

Also, thanks for the explanation of 'the slot' - what exactly is 'the crease'? I also try to help team mates by crowding/pushing in front of the opposition net, but I just get pushed around and out the way. I also can't check very well, I guess that's down to being a PLY and not having xp pumped into the right attributes. I've been trying to find a guide to what each attribute actually relates to, and what position benefits from each attrib, but I can't seem to find any... I think there was one linked in this thread, but no longer exists...

I rarely ever play be a pro mode, but my understanding is that pressing the pass button (on a 360 controller, right trigger) when your teammate has the puck will cause them to pass it to you (regardless of whether or not it's a good time to pass, so be careful).

The goal crease is the region of blue paint surrounding the net, generally where the goalies live. There used to be very specific rules preventing players from scoring goals with their foot in the crease, but they got rid of those a while ago so now it's kind of a vestigial thing. (In actual ice hockey I think refs use it on a discretionary basis to determine when to call goaltender interference penalties, but in the game it isn't really worth worrying about.)

The 'pushing in front of the net' mechanics were introduced for the first time this year. Their purpose is to give defensemen some means of preventing attackers from receiving a pass in front of the net and shooting it right in (or from deflecting a shot in). In practice you can both receive passes AND deflect shots while being grappled (so long as you are generally facing the right direction), so it doesn't work very well for defenders and is easy enough to get around. As a forward, you should probably never initiate a push; your job is to get open for a pass/deflection, so you should attempt to spin away/reposition yourself accordingly. And in fact, the way hockey works you often want to have a bunch of people in front of the net to try to screen the goalie, so clearing defensemen out can be counter-productive.

Checking in NHL games has always been kind of wonky IMO. I personally play a very passive form of defense, so my preference is to rarely ever go for a hit (because if you miss, you put yourself out of position), make sure I keep myself between the puck carrier and the net, and rely on poke checks (press/hold right bumper) and occasionally stick lifts (press A). The former can sometimes get you called for tripping and the latter will frequently get you called for high-sticking, but in general they are more reliable than hits. As a forward you are probably expected to be at least a little bit active on defense and do something called 'forechecking', which basically means go attack the other team to try and get the puck back.

My rule of thumb is that it's okay to try a hit if missing will not result in the other team getting an odd-man rush (meaning them entering your zone with more attackers than the current number of defenders back there).

Again, thanks. So the AHL is like the 'Reserves League' that we'd have in football over here, where players can be moved back and forth between the main and reserve team at any time. Whereas the CHL (and it's contained leagues) are more like Junior leagues for players under a certain age? Something along those lines.

Thanks! I'll get to grips with this sport eventually

The 'pushing in front of the net' mechanics were introduced for the first time this year. Their purpose is to give defensemen some means of preventing attackers from receiving a pass in front of the net and shooting it right in (or from deflecting a shot in). In practice you can both receive passes AND deflect shots while being grappled (so long as you are generally facing the right direction), so it doesn't work very well for defenders and is easy enough to get around. As a forward, you should probably never initiate a push; your job is to get open for a pass/deflection, so you should attempt to spin away/reposition yourself accordingly. And in fact, the way hockey works you often want to have a bunch of people in front of the net to try to screen the goalie, so clearing defensemen out can be counter-productive.

I see. I was using it more of an 'adding to screening the goalie' type of deal, and hoping to mop up any rebounds, but I see your point about playing your position and as a forward, trying to get space rather than getting in the way.

Last night I tried manual aim again, and did manage to score. It was more of a scramble goal though, that literally crawled across the line, so not one to use as an example. Maybe I just need to practice shooting in practice mode or something. Mind you, in that game the whole team was under-performing, nothing seemed to go right!

On the plus side, I've been moved up to 2nd line and won my first fight (also more of a pacifist, but was frustrated) which drew me praise from the coach.

I'm sure I'll have more beginner questions soon enough.

Doing the 'free skate' practice mode (essentially you versus a goalie) is a reasonable way to learn the basics of deking/manual shooting.

Maybe this has been asked, but does anyone understand why when I give my goalie one of the retro "Jason" masks he has no hair sticking out of the back? He isn't bald, but his entire head is when wearing this one!

It also appears to be the only mask version that does this. Very odd, but frustrating since my Be a Pro player is a AHL Rangers goalie on his way to the big leagues.

EA is lazy. Its been like that for years.

Another fun fact....in EASHL, if your player is black and he fights....his hands are white.

Ok, how do you play a goalie beyond the "stay in front of the puck" tutorial they give you? Sometimes I'll stay in front of the puck and yet when the cross pass comes in front of me I can't get to blocking position? It is just a method of defense that I have to hope my team picks up, or is all the fault on my end?

Also, I'm disappointed how every single game has the same opening (my goalie enters the same way, with all the same animations), fans still look horrible and repeat the same patterns as the guy next to them, AND just a general lack of animation finesse that is down right disappointing. With EA chugging out these games every year you would think they would actual make the presentation somewhat believeable.

Arise, thread!!

Just got this game. I wanted NHL 13, but a region-free version of for the XBox hasn't been released yet, and I couldn't wait. It's been more than a decade since I last played a console hockey game, so the number of buttons and sticks I have deal with is a bit overwhelming, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.

The game is awesome so far. Except for the manual. It didn't come with one, and the in-game manual doesn't really do a great job of explaining things, so I have a ton of questions.

For one, every now and then the puck has these orange-ish rings around it, what does that mean?

Second, can you create more than one player for Be A Pro? I have me, but my wife was watching last night and seemed interested (she doesn't understand hockey at all, so I thought this was a good start to get her interested), so I thought it would be cool to make a fem-Pro for her.

Third, does XP get cheaper as you play more games? I'm not spending money on cards or whatever (I'm playing from Japan, so EA won't let me into the store), so it seems like it's gonna be a long haul to get my guy leveled up. Or, maybe, is that the point?

Having a blast so far. Stayed up till the wee-hours of the morning last night playing "one more game."

PS. I hope it's OK to necro this thread. I don't want to litter the NHL 13 thread with questions about last year's game.

Does anyone else have trouble getting the slap-shot to work consistently? Or is it just my inexperience with the analog sticks. Seems like 7 times out of 10 I wind up or deke but it won't shoot.

Also, why does my coach sit me out on PP and PK when I'm on the number 1 line for both of those?

Anyone reading this?

Anyway, a couple last questions...What difficulty do you guys play at? I was playing at Pro and games were starting to get out of hand with scoring. So I switched to All-Star and then things went the other way around. I know there are sliders, but I have no idea what I should be doing with those. Any suggestions there?

I'm kinda loathe to go back to Pro difficulty now that I've been playing a few games on All-Star, but it seems like my once solid goalie has turned into swiss cheese and the opponent's goalie is unbeatable.

My general stratgy with sliders is to look at the boxscores after games and adjust from there.

-If you are scoring a ton of goals on few shots, try reducing shot power and/or accuracy.
-If shot totals are way up, look at pass %. You might need to lower pass accuracy and/or reception.
-If shot totals are too low, it could b too many turnovers. Then you have to get a feel for why. It might be the poke checking is too easy.

What I do is start a season and play. If things are out of whack, I consider that like any other odd statistical anomaly, and if it keeps up for six games, I fiddle. My goal is two-fold. I want it to look like hockey, and I want a good goal to shot ratio. Sometimes I am just going on feel, sometimes I am reacting to stats. Then I play a few games and see if my tweaks worked or need a little more work. But I quit starting over my seasons. It's all about moving forward.

How many minute period are you playing. I think 10 minutes is the generally accepted rate, but moving that to 8 can fix problems, too, if everything else feels good.

One thing you should not get too obsessed over is the easy of taking the puck through the neutral zone. It's just a weakness in all hockey games, and you either have to accept it or find another sport. I will sy the NHL 13 got us a lot closer to clogging up the neutral zone but it's still not realistic.

The best place to look at slider stuff is over at Operation Sports. Try not to get sucked into their vortex, where all you are doing is fiddling with sliders. But you can get some good info on what works and doesn't. But I found a lot more enjoyment when I quit looking at their slider threads and handled them myself, once I got a nice read on everyone else's impressions. You will need to search or go back until you find NHL 12 sliders threads, as NHL 13 is quite different.

Thanks for the reply, Jayhawker. I ended up finding Operation Sports on a Google search after I posted my last question here. Found a thread with some tweaks to the sliders to make Pro a bit more challenging. Will try those suggestions when I get home this evening. Hopefully I'll get to continue M. Downs's career as the explosive two-way defenseman takes the NHL by storm!

Hmmm. Can't seem to find a happy medium between scoring too much and having the cpu score at will while I'm stonewalled.

Or I might just be playing too much. I went through the CHL season, playing most of my games rather than simming, and 20 or so games into an NHL season before I got kinda tired of ripping it up with my doppelganger. Decided to start over and try and tweak the sliders and maybe my heightened expectations from that run is affecting how I'm seeing the game now.

Funny how that works. I was fine for most of that first run, then got tired and thought I was kinda cheating by playing on a lower level. Now I feel like the CPU is cheating me! Could be I'm just no good at the game.

One more question: do NPCs improve over seasons of Be A Pro? I just got drafted to the Minnesota Wild and wonder if my team mates will improve as I do? Or will they make trades and/or picks to improve? They're not the greatest team, so hopefully I can help them out, but I don't want to do it all by myself.

Also, does the line change mechanic work better in NHL 13? Can't tell you how many times I've watched while my teammate skates right by a loose puck in the defensive zone to make a line change often time resulting in a goal against right as I hit the ice. Would be nice if they made better timed line changes.

Your NPC teammates will improve (or decline) season by season in Be A Pro. Play long enough and you'll have turnover across the team and players from the AHL will be up in the NHL, teammates will retire, etc. Not sure if NHL 12 has many trades between teams, NHL 11 didn't, but NHL 13 seems to have a fair amount happening.

The line change thing is still a problem in NHL 13. I think it's a bit better, but I do step on the ice for a goal against now and again still. It's super frustrating.

nihilo wrote:

Not sure if NHL 12 has many trades between teams, NHL 11 didn't, but NHL 13 seems to have a fair amount happening...

It does. As a goalie once in Be A Pro for NHL 12, I had Stamkos, Crosby, and Ovechkin bearing down on me in a three-way breakaway.

Obviously didn't save that goal...

Any tips for Be A Pro goalies? Right now it seems that when I play, I get lit up, but if I sim, then things go OK. I'm always trying to stay square with the puck, but cross crease passes kill me. Also, when my teammates back up, they tend to back up right into the goal area so when I DO anticipate a cross crease pass, then I get blocked by my own teammate. The XP gain is brutal. Do I just resign myself to spending a couple seasons in the CHL?