2011/12 Soccer Thread - Because Vacations Are For Cowards

Gazzetta say that Manchester City want Samuel Eto'o or €45 million for Carlos Tevez. Reports yesterday suggested that Maicon could be a part of the deal.
Just for the record: Milan has 15cm more annual rainfall than Manchester, according to figures
released by the Met Office. And it's further away from South America.

teheheheheh

That would value Eto'o at €45m, and he's getting on a bit.

Maicon - overrated, worth about €20m and he's not guaranteed a first team place, Micah Richards is pretty much a lock to play as he's home grown.

In other news, Arsenal are drawn against Udinese in the qualifying round of the CL - perhaps the best known of the teams they could have drawn, but slightly hampered by the fact that they have spent all summer selling off their best players. Spurs get an easy draw against Hearts, who have sacked yet another manager and have an owner who likes to wander around the training ground 'observing' what is going on.

davet010 wrote:

Maicon - overrated, worth about €20m and he's not guaranteed a first team place, Micah Richards is pretty much a lock to play as he's home grown.

vehemently disagree. Hopefully you don't get him as hes got the body to play in the Prem and the skill to dominate it.

Dominate it ? Maybe, so long as the other side isn't playing a left winger, the guy is a defensive liability.

davet010 wrote:

Dominate it ? Maybe, so long as the other side isn't playing a left winger, the guy is a defensive liability.

Daniel Alves and Sergio Ramos are defensive liabilities. I'm not sure its fair to call a RB a defensive liability when you also ask him to charge down the wing. Its just a matter of what you ask him to do. I've seen him make spectacular plays on both end. Just a matter of what the manager is telling him to do IMO.

as to another topic the Arsenal rumors are full blown again with each friendly and who is selected.

from the mans mouth unbutchered by the tabloids.

“Walcott is back in training but he is not ready just yet,” he began. “Wilshere is injured on his ankle and it is very difficult to set a concrete deadline on his comeback.

“Nasri has a muscular problem. Cesc is just coming back from injury and he is not ready to play in the game. Diaby is out and Koscielny has a small muscular problem.

“Bendtner and Eboue are not in the squad because they might be going out of the Club.

“Koscielny and Nasri might be back for the start of the season. I don't think Fabregas will be ready to start the season because he has been out for a long time and has had no games. Walcott might be back and, as for Wilshere, it is very difficult to say.”

“I do not want to speak about the transfer of Fabregas because I have done that three years now in every press conference so I don't think there is any more need to add something,” said Wenger. “I love Fabregas and I want him to stay, that is basically it.

“Everybody is free to think what they want. We cannot stop people raising questions.

“He is just coming back from injury and is not ready to play in a game. But he is not injured.”

Important part being Bendtner and Eboue are pretty much gone if a club would just come and get them. Cesc isn't going anywhere unless he forces his way out and he seems much more classier then Tevez to do so.

Here's a sight I never thought to see again - Wimbledon FC on the telly. In the League.

Udinese sold anyone besides Sanchez?

Also sold Gokhan Inler (to Inter) and their best defender Zapata (to Villareal).

I saw Big Sam "provide the module" earlier today, as West Ham lost home to Cardiff. Not very interesting football-wise, but I enjoyed myself very much.

United still look much more like an actual time when attacking (that second goal!)

Oof. that last Nani goal is the kind of score that, if it happened to you in a FM game, you'd be tempted to restart.

Just out of curiosity, can someone explain to me the idea behind Real Madrid signing a seven-year old? Is this just for publicity/fun, or does it involve money changing hands and a real, long-term commitment?

Both a publicity thing and (possible) commitment, I think. Clubs in Spain operate what are known as 'cantera' (literally, 'a quarry' from memory, but in this context it is used to denote an academy) which schools kids in age groups through the youth systems at various levels eventually leading to a small fraction making the first team, for an investment considerably less than buying the player from somebody else, plus if a group come through all at once, they will often have already developed an understanding. And fans always love to see players come through the club's youth systems.

In this particular instance, I'm not sure how young players start, but it can't be much more than 7 as there was a piece on TV over here about some English 8-year old who was signing on with Barcelona's academy. Unfortunately, he came across as a right little twat, parroting pundit-speak with his dad gurning in the background.

Same sort of thing happens in Italy, Holland and Germany as well. Over here, clubs are often reluctant as they often see their youth players offered illegal inducements to switch to other clubs.

At the age of five, Messi started playing football for Grandoli, a local club coached by his father Jorge.[22] In 1995, Messi switched to Newell's Old Boys who were based in his home city Rosario.[22] At the age of 11, he was diagnosed with a growth hormone deficiency.[23] The traditional River Plate showed interest in Messi's progress, but did not have enough money to pay for treatment for his condition which cost $900 a month.[18] Carles Rexach, the sporting director of FC Barcelona, had been made aware of his talent as Messi had relatives in Lleida, Catalonia, and Messi and his father were able to arrange a trial.[18] Rexach, with no other paper at hand, offered Messi a contract written on a paper napkin.[24][25] Barcelona offered to pay for Messi's medical bills if he was willing to move to Spain, so Messi and his father moved to Barcelona where Messi enrolled in the club's youth academy.[22][25]

from wiki... so Messi in 1995 at the age of 8 was in the Newell's system.

Cesc's first cap for Arsenal was at 15?

in transfer news and somewhat related Arsenal just signed Alex Chamberlain for 12m pounds... 17 years old.

17 year old attacking mids who just played in league 1 are the secret to winning the Premier League!

Yeah, just like Theo Walcott.

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I'll take 1-1, all things being equal. They won the first half, we won the second.

2 days from the start of the season and it looks like Cesc is leaving Arsenal after all.

What a horrible mess by Wenger and the rest of the Arsenal hierarchy involved. They held out for a higher bid and it looks like Barca won out not really paying more and still getting their man. Wenger will have to move fast now to fill the holes he hasn't all transfer window. Could be cut adrift of the title race by September with first 3 games vs Newcastle, Liverpool and United.

I think I'm going to be sick.

jowner wrote:

2 days from the start of the season and it looks like Cesc is leaving Arsenal after all.

What a horrible mess by Wenger and the rest of the Arsenal hierarchy involved. They held out for a higher bid and it looks like Barca won out not really paying more and still getting their man. Wenger will have to move fast now to fill the holes he hasn't all transfer window. Could be cut adrift of the title race by September with first 3 games vs Newcastle, Liverpool and United.

I think I'm going to be sick.

You might be even more sick before the end of the window

davet010 wrote:
jowner wrote:

2 days from the start of the season and it looks like Cesc is leaving Arsenal after all.

What a horrible mess by Wenger and the rest of the Arsenal hierarchy involved. They held out for a higher bid and it looks like Barca won out not really paying more and still getting their man. Wenger will have to move fast now to fill the holes he hasn't all transfer window. Could be cut adrift of the title race by September with first 3 games vs Newcastle, Liverpool and United.

I think I'm going to be sick.

You might be even more sick before the end of the window ;)

If your implying Nasri then maybe. I think I'll be more sick when Wenger/Arsenal drag their feet chasing new transfers over the next several weeks and add no real substance.

I don't believe any of the speculation that Arsenal don't have the money to get transfer business done, just a cheap excuse to try to explain why they don't. Its 100% unwillingness/inability to play the transfer game. Years ago Fergie and Wenger were 1a 1b in comparison and now its not even a fair conversation.

Prederick wrote:

I'll take 1-1, all things being equal. They won the first half, we won the second.

When you bring in a dude that is crapping his pants it probably isn't going to go your way.

edit: Just saw ESPN's player ratings from last night. Michael Bradley was a 6.5 last night?

Hamburg winger Eljero Elia thinks his current side are better than Juventus. "The club told me that they won't let me join Juventus, but that's not a problem for me. I've agreed with the club that we'd open talks if a big club like Arsenal or Chelsea comes knocking," Elia was quoted as saying by Hamburger Morgenpost. "There's no need to talk if a club of the same level as HSV is interested. Juventus are still one of the best Italian teams around, but they're not better than Hamburg in my opinion."

ouch Serie A. Money > History. The German league if it hasn't already will overtake Serie A. Will have to double check how close they are to stealing the 4th qualifying spot for the CL.

I watched Galaxy-Dallas last week and saw Brek Shea play. He is good. Probably will get a look in the European leagues next year. He reminds me of Gareth Bale. Both young bigger fast left footed midfielders/wingers with skill.

He is 4th in the MLS in goals with 9 and he is not even a center forward. Only Donovan, Henry and Hasilli have more goals than him.

I am also happy with Aguedelo. Has a better nose for goal than Altadore.

I also love Klinsmann's enthusiasm.

jowner wrote:
Hamburg winger Eljero Elia thinks his current side are better than Juventus. "The club told me that they won't let me join Juventus, but that's not a problem for me. I've agreed with the club that we'd open talks if a big club like Arsenal or Chelsea comes knocking," Elia was quoted as saying by Hamburger Morgenpost. "There's no need to talk if a club of the same level as HSV is interested. Juventus are still one of the best Italian teams around, but they're not better than Hamburg in my opinion."

ouch Serie A. Money > History. The German league if it hasn't already will overtake Serie A. Will have to double check how close they are to stealing the 4th qualifying spot for the CL.

His current side ? Must be a different team to the HSV team I watched get beaten to a pulp by Dortmund last week.

ESPN show about 3 live Bundesliga games every week over here, and while it is an interesting league, it's quite a mediocre one apart from BM and now Dortmund. The atmosphere and fan involvement are superb, but the quality of play tends to be at 'Premiership relegation contender' level in a lot of the games. The performance of German teams in the CL has not exactly shone in recent years, again apart from BM in 2010, whereas Italian teams contested a number of finals in the 2000's.

Stop telling the truth! its hurts!

Just wait til City get off to a poor start, you can get your own back then

United's witless followers are keeping up their comedy banter...Terry Christian (witless E-list celeb) has tweeted that City will be acquiring Nasri in a direct swap for Tevez, with City contributing half of his wages. Why, that's as likely as spending £7m on a Portuguese vagrant and then having to farm him out on loan after you suss out that you've been taken for a......oh, right. Maybe a little less likely than that.

Looks like La Liga will be having a late start...

http://fourfourtwo.com/news/spain/83722/default.aspx

I think Wenger has actually gone bonkers.

Yesterday he says we already have 4 CB's and are not in the market for one. Then this morning in his press conference he says no one is leaving, that we already have enough players and plays up the Japanese kid doing well this season.

and.....

13.22 We are of course awaiting confirmation of the deal. Barcelona, you would imagine, will move first in announcing it. Stay with us for updates throughout the day.
13.14 Yep, those rumours are now on fire as claims suggest Fabregas will be unveiled as a Barcelona player tomorrow. Another saga reaches its conclusion, then.

with Pique and Puyol also tweeting that Cesc has come.

Not sure how Wenger goes from 9am denying anyone is leaving to 1pm it being the worst secret ever.

edit: turning into a farce of a farce

14.43 Barcelona: "We hope to announce the signing of Cesc Fabregas in the next few hours".

14.53 Journalist Gabriele Marcotti via Twitter: "According to @mundodeportivo Arsenal have NOT accepted Barca's offer for Cesc. Still in London."

maybe Barca's new strategy is if they just pretend the deal has gone through it gets to the point where Arsenal just have to accept it? as for actual deadlines you figure if hes healthy to play vs Udinese and gets capped in the CL the thing is actually over.

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Goodbye@cesc4official, we wud miss&remember u. you left in a dignifying way. not like some ppl are about to do. not 2 mention thier NAS name

The above one is fake but for some other funny ones

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@Cristiano You take too much photo ronaldo, take it easy, you are a footballer not model.i can get more girls than u but my wife wont let me

I know I don't sound like I mean it most of the time, but I really do respect Arsene Wenger for what he's done at Arsenal, how he's transformed the image of the club itself, reactivated the careers of players who were struggling elsewhere (Bergkamp, Henry, Vieira for a start) and not gone down the 'spend money on existing superstars' line. But I do think that Arsenal have a problem.

Because he's been there too long.

The players have heard it all before...and so have the fans. That's not a problem when the formula is still successful, but it seems to have been overtaken both by outside events (the advent of extremely wealthy owners in the Prem) and by the rigidity with which Arsene sticks to the formula, and has an unwillingness to compromise his self-imposed rules - why not buy a world class goalie once Lehmann went ? Why not buy a world class CB rather than a succession of cheap stand-ins who were clearly not good enough ?

A little bit of me also wonders whether he might be tempted to join the revolution at PSG ?