
Some other great shots alongside Drogon rising from the ash heap:
Drogon spreading wings behind Dany during her entrance
Seeing the Back of Tormund's Head as Jon enters the gate of Castle Black
Ghost Ghost Ghost reunion!
Sansa being crowned and her walk to the anointment - quote from my wife "that girl had a serious arc"
Peter Dinklage rocking almost all of his scenes: discovering his sibling under the rubble, "you don't get to choose", straightening chairs, "my best friend was right", "I don't want it [to be Bran's Hand]"
"Sit down Lord Tully"
Swashbuckler Arya
Ser Brienne has gotten more writing done than GRRM.
The one part I had a problem with, and found pretty funny was Grey Worm's teleportation act. How in the hell did he get up there first? I pictured him cutting those throats and booking it Ferris Bueller style through 'back yards' to get to the castle.
Jon stopped to talk to Arya who held him in stasis for a half hour.
I don't understand why everyone has an issue with how people found out that Jon killed Dany. Probably his most defined character trait is that he's honest, even when he shouldn't be. Over and over, he's told the truth, even when it causes SO MANY PROBLEMS. This is well established enough that they shouldn't have to spell it out in the finale. Hell, it even reached the point that I joked that Jon should have told everyone, "I dunno, people, Dany climbed on Drogon, muttered something about the Bahamas, and peaced out." My wife immediately responded, "Nope, it's Jon. He'll tell the first person he sees exactly what he did."
That's a very fair point. I guess it was that on top of all of the other omniscience in the last few episodes. We are led to believe that somewhere during the lead up to the attack on King's Landing or in the immediate aftermath, when Dany is already if full on Mad Queen mode, someone let her know that Tyrion released Jaime. Or how she was able to piece together the entire lineage of betrayal from Varys back through Tyrion, Sansa and ultimately Jon. All while not eating and mourning the loss of one of her "children".
Normally I hate it when shows spoon feed plot points to the audience, but that particular bit of clairvoyance bothered me, which probably made my acceptance of the fact that Jon would have immediately confessed harder to accept.
It's important to stay hydrated when picking a new king.
New Yorker interview with Emilia Clarke.
Talks about her character's arc and how she views it now that we all know she breaks bad.
Ser Brienne has gotten more writing done than GRRM.
Oof
It's important to stay hydrated when picking a new king.
I foresee the next big fantasy show investing in period-appropriate props for craft services.
I'm looking forward to the next big fantasy show, by the way. Not sure if one of the ones in the works will fit the bill, but I hope there is one eventually.
I'm looking forward to the next big fantasy show, by the way. Not sure if one of the ones in the works will fit the bill, but I hope there is one eventually.
Well surely Wheel of Time is going to be a perfect and flawless masterpiece.
His Dark Materials is the next big HBO/BBC thing. Haven't read the books so not sure where it is on the fantasy scale but the trailer last night looked interesting. And James McAvoy hasn't disappointed me yet.
But in all seriousness, I'm sad that it's over. As a whole, I have a lot of affection for the show.
trichy wrote:I don't understand why everyone has an issue with how people found out that Jon killed Dany. Probably his most defined character trait is that he's honest, even when he shouldn't be. Over and over, he's told the truth, even when it causes SO MANY PROBLEMS. This is well established enough that they shouldn't have to spell it out in the finale. Hell, it even reached the point that I joked that Jon should have told everyone, "I dunno, people, Dany climbed on Drogon, muttered something about the Bahamas, and peaced out." My wife immediately responded, "Nope, it's Jon. He'll tell the first person he sees exactly what he did."
That's a very fair point. I guess it was that on top of all of the other omniscience in the last few episodes. We are led to believe that somewhere during the lead up to the attack on King's Landing or in the immediate aftermath, when Dany is already if full on Mad Queen mode, someone let her know that Tyrion released Jaime. Or how she was able to piece together the entire lineage of betrayal from Varys back through Tyrion, Sansa and ultimately Jon. All while not eating and mourning the loss of one of her "children".
Normally I hate it when shows spoon feed plot points to the audience, but that particular bit of clairvoyance bothered me, which probably made my acceptance of the fact that Jon would have immediately confessed harder to accept.
I assume even before they attacked last week someone noticed the prisoner was missing. This is just the first time she had seen Tyrion since then. That one at least didn't bother me.
Theme for the finale - No one is very happy, which makes it a good compromise. Needless to say, I'm not very happy.
My thoughts:
- Of course Jon confessed and offered himself for judgement. My opinion is that the Unsullied didn't kill him immediately because Drogon didn't either. His symbolic destruction of the throne matters. Would've been nice to get the 30 seconds of screen time to set that up.
- I would've enjoyed the pacing more if Humperdink showed up every 10 minutes or so to exasperatedly say 'Skip to the end..'
- It's only a matter of time before Bronn becomes Master of Brothels
- Totally with the group on how the hell the North gets independence and Dorne + The Iron Islands don't. Must be because they're the only ones who brought troops.. or something...
- Democracy? - ROFLshutupSam
- I'm glad they didn't go full God-Emperor with Bran/3ER. I enjoyed the parallels between 'You totally cheered for Dany when she was burning evil men' and 'You were totally ok with time travel and resurrection when it steered the plot where you wanted'. But bluntly reminding the puny mortals that their decisions don't matter in the face of actual Deus Ex Machina in evidence would've made the entire story feel like a waste of time.
I assume even before they attacked last week someone noticed the prisoner was missing. This is just the first time she had seen Tyrion since then. That one at least didn't bother me.
My mind apparently has the ability to write fanfic to fill in the gaps in narratives in real time, so bits that are merely gaps in the record are fine but outright contradictions itch until I resolve them.
That said, there's a ton of story choices the past two seasons that suffer greatly because the writers know what is supposed to happen but don't manage to convey it to the audience. Throw in their love of shock over anticipation and that sums up most of the issues I have with these last bits. (The other problems, such as the weak representation for minorities and women, is a deeper issue.)
I think the bit that most annoyed me was the season where Arya was hiding in the streets; what should have been a game of cat and mouse became extremely straightforward once it became apparent at the end that they had exactly one plot twist planned for the whole thing and just didn't know how to pace it or make character motivations clear without extra-long speeches.
They're still bad at showing character motivations, which is why Tyrion is the character that gets the best stuff to work with: he's allowed the time and speeches to elaborate on his motivations and the situations he finds himself in.
The Danys killing felt rushed. I expected more of a lead-up to it.
Drogon's reaction just came across very weird. I expected him to torch Jon, but then he just flamed off to the side. "Oh he's torching the throne?" I thought, but no, he was just flaming the wall. Then he torched the throne. And flew off? Nothing against the man that just killed his moms?
Same kind of thing with the Unsullied just letting Jon go unharmed to the wall. Especially since it's quite likely Jon will be Lord Commander again and with no White Walkers, Jon can pretty much do whatever.
No objections to Bran being king? Not even a "WTF?" reaction from people who know nothing about him? Oh, but he has a cool story, that's good enough to be king. Are other lords and peasants really going to accept a paralyzed kid as their ruler?
There's no way Sansa could withdraw the North without at least some of the others wanting the same thing. Especially the Ironborn and Dorne.
Drogon's reaction just came across very weird. I expected him to torch Jon, but then he just flamed off to the side. "Oh he's torching the throne?" I thought, but no, he was just flaming the wall. Then he torched the throne. And flew off? Nothing against the man that just killed his moms?
Im on team 'it really should be The Four Kingdoms' right now.
Oh, and Daenerys' comment about how she envisioned a throne made of "thousands of swords" feels like a nod to GRRM's comments on how he envisioned the throne which is not really like the one on the show.
Jon: What? I got sentenced to the Wall? After all I've done?
Tyrion: Never talk without your lawyer present, dumbass.
Robin Arryn got the Neville Longbottom package.
Yohn Rocye for Master of War!
Jon getting to romp around with doggie and Northmen, in a north sans zombies seems like the absolute best outcome for that character. He's not equipped for politics, and with his lineage the only ways out of politics would be death or exile. After all the shit he's been through, North of the wall looks like a nice retirement.
Drogon's reaction just came across very weird. I expected him to torch Jon, but then he just flamed off to the side. "Oh he's torching the throne?" I thought, but no, he was just flaming the wall. Then he torched the throne. And flew off? Nothing against the man that just killed his moms?
All I could think when Drogon came in and was nudging her body was "Wouldn't it be hilarious if he just ate her?"
No objections to Bran being king? Not even a "WTF?" reaction from people who know nothing about him?
The show barely sold the idea of Bran being the 3ER and what that means to the audience who see his powers firsthand. Tyrion babbles some stuff about him learning to fly and being our memory and "the new prince of Dorne" is like "yes, this wheelchair-bound teenager I've never met who spends all his time staring into the middle distance should be my ruler"?
Quintin_Stone wrote:Drogon's reaction just came across very weird. I expected him to torch Jon, but then he just flamed off to the side. "Oh he's torching the throne?" I thought, but no, he was just flaming the wall. Then he torched the throne. And flew off? Nothing against the man that just killed his moms?
All I could think when Drogon came in and was nudging her body was "Wouldn't it be hilarious if he just ate her?"
To be fair, we don't know that he wasn't thinking, "Welp, time to go. Gonna be a long flight, need to grab a snack for the road."
I just want to point out that Texas, obviously the most badass of states, currently has a multi-term governor who is in a wheelchair. We got there first!
Yeah, yeah, FDR.
I really dug how Drogon reacted. Tyrion mentioned earlier in the series that dragons may be more intelligent than humans. They demonstrated that by showing Drogon destroying the Iron Throne. He realized that the lust for the throne (and thus power) is what doomed his mother. Then he simply left.
Clearly they're very smart. Drogon knew where the camera was in every scene.
Oh, and Daenerys' comment about how she envisioned a throne made of "thousands of swords" feels like a nod to GRRM's comments on how he envisioned the throne which is not really like the one on the show.
Ah, yes, thanks for digging that up. The show's throne never seemed pointy enough. It looked okay enough and probably made for some good merchandising, but not wholly dangerous enough.
No objections to Bran being king? Not even a "WTF?" reaction from people who know nothing about him? Oh, but he has a cool story, that's good enough to be king. Are other lords and peasants really going to accept a paralyzed kid as their ruler?
I seriously believe that anyone who would have was dead by that point. I mean, he performed impromptu makeshift brain surgery on young Hodor just to get him to hold a door in the future, and that seemed instinctual.
I'm gonna hazard a guess that in the books, Jon is offered the throne but abdicates.
Really, the realm is doomed to more war, probably in the near future and Bran won't be able to muster a defense because the Lord of Highgarden has spent all of their coin on the greatest brothel the world has ever seen.
How did Bronn get his claim to Highgarden? That was just a deal with Jaime and Tyrion, one is dead and one is a prisoner. I'm sure there are other Tyrell lords who didn't die in the chapel. Did they just... let him? How did that even work?
Well you see, when you blackmail a person, and then that person becomes the 2nd most powerful person in the land - removing the source of your blackmail in the process - what usually happens is that you're rewarded with a seat on the governing council.
Not executed immediately.
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