2011 MLB Season Discussion

Now the Giants might be able to score 3 runs a game instead of 2!

That mantis kept going and got another player as well!

Jack McKeon was probably saying to himself, "Wimps."

The Phillies crowd seemed stunned last night in their loss to the Giants. It was rather enjoyable to watch.

The Red Sox consistently play down to the level of bad opponents.

With their starting pitching they will have problems holding onto the division lead much less advancing in the playoffs.

ChrisLTD wrote:

The Phillies crowd seemed stunned last night in their loss to the Giants. It was rather enjoyable to watch.

They were probably surprised the Giants got 4 runs while Beltran went 0 - 4 and ended his 32 game on-base streak.

ChrisLTD wrote:

The Phillies crowd seemed stunned last night in their loss to the Giants. It was rather enjoyable to watch.

Not too concerned, since the Phillies didn't even trot out their two best pitchers, and Hamels lost 2-1. If they meet in the NLCS, it will be a low scoring 6-7 game series. Nice hard fought battle.

BTW, that's IF the team playing Atlanta beats them in the 1st round. The two teams playing in the NLCS should be from those 3 teams.

Kush15,
That seems right to me. I guess I'm just glad the Phillies aren't untouchable. That would be boring...

By October, the Cardinals are going to be steamrolling teams. I may not have liked to see Rasmus go, but their bullpen just got much better. In addition to the two relievers they picked up from toronto, Edwin Jackson (who Duncan will turn into a superstar) send McLellen back to the pen.

McClellen has been a good starter, but has problems getting past the sixth. In the pen, he will get 3-4 mph on his pitches, more movement, and really become the force he would have been had Wainright not gone down in spring training.

The Cards have had a metric ton of injuries this season, and are just about ready to dominate the second half.

ChrisLTD wrote:

Kush15,
That seems right to me. I guess I'm just glad the Phillies aren't untouchable. That would be boring...

Far from untouchable. They definitely need to get another bat in their lineup, without over paying too much. I think they've offered enough compensation for Hunter Pence, and Houston wants more. However, Houston has something that Philadelphia wants, so it all depends on if they want to mortgage even more of the future for the services of Mr. Pence.

Phillies get Pence:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/68...

Seems like a huge overpay. Giving up two of the top 50 prospects in baseball. I'll wait to see if the Sox give up the farm for Ubaldo before I say anything.

Jayhawker wrote:

By October, the Cardinals are going to be steamrolling teams. I may not have liked to see Rasmus go, but their bullpen just got much better. In addition to the two relievers they picked up from toronto, Edwin Jackson (who Duncan will turn into a superstar) send McLellen back to the pen.

McClellen has been a good starter, but has problems getting past the sixth. In the pen, he will get 3-4 mph on his pitches, more movement, and really become the force he would have been had Wainright not gone down in spring training.

The Cards have had a metric ton of injuries this season, and are just about ready to dominate the second half.

NL Central will be an interesting division. No one's record is good enough to be in wildcard contention, so it's win the division or bust as far as the playoffs are concerned.
I think the Reds will continue to fade down the stretch. They're still a young team and I really don't think they'll be able to pull themselves out of the current slide they're in without some more veteran leadership and experience.
Obviously no one believes the Pirates can keep it up much longer. I think they're a real question mark. I may eat these words later, but I'll be pleased if they're still challenging the Cards and Brewers at the end of the regular season.
The Brewers have strengthened themselves pretty significantly throughout the season via trades. Picking up Nyjer Morgan at the end of ST is looking to be a genius move by Doug Melvin. They've also improved their bullpen with Takashi Saito and K-Rod. Add to that picking up Felipe Lopez and Jerry Hairston and it looks like they'll do great weathering the temporary losses of Rickie Weeks and Carlos Gomez.
I think it'll be the Brew Crew and the Cards fighting for the NL Central's spot in the postseason, although I'll be surprised if either team makes it out of the first round.

Jayhawker wrote:

White Sox: RHP Jason Frasor, RHP Zach Stewart (both from Toronto), LHP Trever Miller (from St. Louis)
Blue Jays: 3B Mark Teahen (from Chicago), OF Colby Rasmus, RHP P.J. Walters, LHP Brian Tallet (all from St. Louis)
St. Louis: RHP Edwin Jackson (from Chicago), RHP Octavio Dotel, LHP Marc Rzepczynski, OF Corey Patterson (all from Toronto)

As a Jays fan I really hate seeing Rzepczynski (or, Scrabble, as the Jays blogs have named him) go. The kid was a promising young starter for us last year, and then a rock out of the pen this year. Cardinals fans should enjoy watching him pitch.

Losing Frasor also hurts a fair bit, but part of that might be because he's been with the organization forever. Not a flashy guy by any means, but usually gets the job done.

Patterson should be benched as much as possible, and Dotel should really only face righties.

Getting back Rasmus is pretty exciting - I don't really pay attention to the NL so hadn't known of him, but everything I'm hearing so far is amazingly positive, aside from his current funk. If he turns into an acquisition like Yunel Escobar (who was one of Atlanta's malcontents) then there's no arguing that the Jays will be a far better team at the end of the day.

AndrewA wrote:

As a Jays fan I really hate seeing Rzepczynski (or, Scrabble, as the Jays blogs have named him) go. The kid was a promising young starter for us last year, and then a rock out of the pen this year. Cardinals fans should enjoy watching him pitch.

To be honest, Rzepczynski has been on my fantsy baseball team most of the year. We use holds as ne of our stats in our rotisserie league. The guy not only picks up holds, but his K/IP is really good, as well as his ERA and WHIP. So I was really excited to get him onto the roster.

I hope Rasmus really breaks out for you guys. I think he is a misunderstood kid, and the Cardinals clubhouse, while as professional as any in MLB, has very little patence for any sign of immaturity, even if it is just insecurity. He's a good kid, but he did not respond well to La Russa. St. Louis fans have taken him to task for relying on his dad so much for hitting advice.

I thin the issues are all really inconsequential, and he has this huge upside just sitting there once he gets over them. The kid was getting $440K this season, and can't be a FA until 2015. I think that is worth investing in. If he was getting $6 Mil, maybe you move on.

But the Cardinal fan base has taken the mantra of "best fans in baseball" in all the wrong ways. Too many of them now have pretty serious entitlement issues. There is a pretty vocal segment that wants La Russa run out of town. Idiots, really.

Boston picks up some starting rotation help - possibly.

SwampYankee wrote:

Boston picks up some starting rotation help - possibly.

You'll love Bedard (when he's healthy). He'll walk some people but he'll also miss a lot of bats. The walks and Ks lead to high pitch count often so he won't go too deep into games but when he's on he one of the elite lefties in the AL.

Josh Fields, the other guy in the deal is a busted #1 pick. Doubt he'll see the field with the Sox or anyone else.

Thanks for the two great hitting prospects (or one considering one came from the Dodgers) for a two month rental!

Headed to the Bravos game tonight; can't wait to see how the dynamic in their lineup changes with Bourn leading off! Oh, and $1 hot dogs!

TrashiDawa wrote:
SwampYankee wrote:

Boston picks up some starting rotation help - possibly.

You'll love Bedard (when he's healthy). He'll walk some people but he'll also miss a lot of bats. The walks and Ks lead to high pitch count often so he won't go too deep into games but when he's on he one of the elite lefties in the AL.

Josh Fields, the other guy in the deal is a busted #1 pick. Doubt he'll see the field with the Sox or anyone else.

Thanks for the two great hitting prospects (or one considering one came from the Dodgers) for a two month rental!

Yeah, I think the trade went well for both teams. Sox got the starter they needed if he can stay healthy for the next three months. They didn't give away anything of value to them. Chiang is the best player they gave away, and he's a good prospect, but was the Sox third or fourth best rightfield prospect and would have been lost to the rule 5 draft in the offseason. In fact, Federowitz and Fife would also probably be gone in the offseason.

I'm not sure why the Dodgers would do this, but it was good for the Sox and the Mariners.

In the end the Sox may have gotten a very good starting pitcher for the playoff stretch without giving up anyone that would have been with the team next year anyway.

I've always wondered what the other team's broadcasters say and this from last night's showdown between St. Louis and Milwaukee provides some interesting insight. NSFW being Deadspin and all.

Rat Boy wrote:

I've always wondered what the other team's broadcasters say and this from last night's showdown between St. Louis and Milwaukee provides some interesting insight. NSFW being Deadspin and all.

I don't have a problem with it. The Brewers were pitching Albert in, and hit him in the hand where he had a fracture in his wrist. Yep, it's predictable that the Cards were going to send a message to not hit Albert in the hands.

Jayhawker wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

I've always wondered what the other team's broadcasters say and this from last night's showdown between St. Louis and Milwaukee provides some interesting insight. NSFW being Deadspin and all.

I don't have a problem with it. The Brewers were pitching Albert in, and hit him in the hand where he had a fracture in his wrist. Yep, it's predictable that the Cards were going to send a message to not hit Albert in the hands.

All those guys get pitched high and tight. Part of the game is to brush batters back a little bit in an attempt to lessen their comfort in the batters box. It happens to Pujols, and it happens to Braun and Fielder.
Here's where the difference in this particular situation lies, in my opinion:
1) Saito didn't mean to hit Pujols, and he certainly wasn't aiming for a fractured wrist. It was a high, inside pitch which connected. Given the game situation (men at first and third, no outs, tie game), there's really not much reason to put Albert on base that way. I think it was an accident.
2) I think Motte intentionally hit Braun with a pitch. Braun led off the inning after Pujols had been hit. The second pitch Braun saw was a fastball up high and very inside. With my admittedly biased viewpoint, it looked like the second pitch was intended to hit Braun and missed. The third pitch hit Braun in the back. That's two pitches high and tight, in row. The third pitch hit him in the back and not the arm or hands -- It was way inside. I know sometimes guys get hit, but it's hard for me to believe that third pitch was an accident after the second pitch he saw.
I can totally understand being protective of a star player, especially since he's already suffered an injury. Intentionally hitting another player is something completely different, and I think the Brewers have a legitimate reason to be upset.
I'm curious to see if Motte (and Molina for his later ejection) will be fined by MLB.

Trayvon Robinson, the M's centerpiece which the Dodgers chipped in on the Bedard trade got called up to the M's from Tacoma today. That was quick but he's got 100+ games at AAA so he's paid his dues; anxious to see what he can do at the ML level.

Bedard's losing vs. Cleveland right now but there's been some bad defense behind him.

Dear Toronto Blue Jays,

Stop blowing saves. Multiple blown saves in a single game is especially unforgivable. Asshats.

In frustration,

Andrew

Big brawl in the Giants/Phillies game. I smell suspensions.

Kush15 wrote:

Big brawl in the Giants/Phillies game. I smell suspensions.

Damndest part is that if Eli Whiteside hadn't tackled Polanco before he could jump Ramon Ramirez, it'd be the Phillies who'd be the instigating party. Now chances are he'll be the one who gets suspended and Polanco will get off scot free.

Rat Boy wrote:
Kush15 wrote:

Big brawl in the Giants/Phillies game. I smell suspensions.

Damndest part is that if Eli Whiteside hadn't tackled Polanco before he could jump Ramon Ramirez, it'd be the Phillies who'd be the instigating party. Now chances are he'll be the one who gets suspended and Polanco will get off scot free.

IMAGE(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lphp9mGzrR1qazqlgo2_400.gif)Yes, this man was totally not trying to provoke a fight after calling for a bean ball.

Just like the NLCS.. SF is a dirty team... The only sad thing is that Manuel doesn't preach retaliation so I'm sure nothing will happen to the Giants and they will continue these tactics. The irony is there isn't a position player worth headhunting.. I would try and take out Lincecum with a bean ball or something on Sunday.

TheGameguru wrote:

Just like the NLCS.. SF is a dirty team... The only sad thing is that Manuel doesn't preach retaliation so I'm sure nothing will happen to the Giants and they will continue these tactics. The irony is there isn't a position player worth headhunting.. I would try and take out Lincecum with a bean ball or something on Sunday.

As a fellow Phillies fan, what does that prove, as far as retaliation? That the Phillies are bad as 1 pitcher? You've always preached for me not to lump all Eagles fans into the same catagory, but you do it for the Giants. Ramon Ramirez is to blame for the brawl, and Eli Whiteside didn't make himself out to look any better. I have a lot of respect for most of the San Francisco Giants. I can't really blame Victorino for going out to the mound, you get hit in the square of the back on a 0-0 count after Ramirez is getting pounded by hits, it's pretty intentional. Whiteside's demeanor when Victorino got hit leads me to believe he called for the pitch. I think Bochy might get a game, but look for Ramirez, Whiteside, and Victorino to get big suspensions. Funny thing is, Victorino didn't even throw a punch, but walking out to the mound is going to be his crime, I don't blame him for doing it though.

Yes, the Phillies were hit by pitches in the NLCS, but don't lump the entire team as "dirty", when a few players were being "stupid".

Kush15 wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

Just like the NLCS.. SF is a dirty team... The only sad thing is that Manuel doesn't preach retaliation so I'm sure nothing will happen to the Giants and they will continue these tactics. The irony is there isn't a position player worth headhunting.. I would try and take out Lincecum with a bean ball or something on Sunday.

As a fellow Phillies fan, what does that prove, as far as retaliation? That the Phillies are bad as 1 pitcher? You've always preached for me not to lump all Eagles fans into the same catagory, but you do it for the Giants. Ramon Ramirez is to blame for the brawl, and Eli Whiteside didn't make himself out to look any better. I have a lot of respect for most of the San Francisco Giants. I can't really blame Victorino for going out to the mound, you get hit in the square of the back on a 0-0 count after Ramirez is getting pounded by hits, it's pretty intentional. Whiteside's demeanor when Victorino got hit leads me to believe he called for the pitch. I think Bochy might get a game, but look for Ramirez, Whiteside, and Victorino to get big suspensions. Funny thing is, Victorino didn't even throw a punch, but walking out to the mound is going to be his crime, I don't blame him for doing it though.

Yes, the Phillies were hit by pitches in the NLCS, but don't lump the entire team as "dirty", when a few players were being "stupid".

Hmm.. you misunderstand me... That's why I said "the only sad thing". I respect the Giants for doing what they did.. thats baseball.. if you can intimidate and get in the head of the other team thats a good thing. It totally worked in the NCLS and the Giants will keep doing it until they are afraid for their own star players. It's dirty but its also part of baseball.. The Phillies don't play like that but it cost them last year and might cost them this year again.

Eli clearly was looking to brawl.. he was bouncing around like a boxer.. I'm actually surprised he didnt sucker punch Placido.

Oh and its never just a decision by one player or two.. clearly this is a strategic move made by coaching and dictated to the Players.