2011 MLB Season Discussion

Good on ya, Cards fans.

I'm afraid there may be a series of mass deaths in St. Louis today. There are Red Shirts everywhere!

I was hoping they would wait for Monday to do the parade, but it is a beautiful day today. Can't wait!

Jayhawker wrote:
It really was hard fought. On the Cards Talk forum last night was a thread entitled "If the Cards Don't Win Next Year." The post then said, "then I hope the Rangers do!"

What ensued was an entire thread of Cardinal fans talking about how much they admired the Rangers organization. I have been on board with the Rangers for a few years now. They are my AL team of choice.


That is very classy and appreciated. It doesn't soften the blow too much, but it does help a little.

Tony La Russa has retired.

This throws all of my optimism about signing Pujols down several notches.

Jayhawker wrote:
I'm afraid there may be a series of mass deaths in St. Louis today. There are Red Shirts everywhere!

Groooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnn...

...you suck....

Jayhawker wrote:
Tony La Russa has retired.

This throws all of my optimism about signing Pujols down several notches.

I just heard this morning he declined a 200+ million contract before the season started. How much money does a person need?

wrong thread

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Phillies sign Papelbon to 4/$50. Vesting option for a sixth year.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...

Seems like an overpay, but that the Phils are trying to take advantage of their window.

Will Pujols look good in these uniforms?

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Holy crap.

The Astros to move to the AL and 2 new wild cards added by 2013:
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...

Tanglebones wrote:
Holy crap.

The Astros to move to the AL and 2 new wild cards added by 2013:
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...

Excellent news. The only thing that would make this more perfect is if the divisions were all melted into two big league (AL/NL). Too many unbalanced divisions = a lot of bland ball.

I saw this posted in another forum. As a cardinal fan, this was too fun to watch. If you are Rangers fan, maybe not so much.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Its only funny because that's me in so many games in the past.

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Albert can't disappoint Stan the Man, can he?

Favorite tweet of the day:

@LobShots wrote:
BREAKING: The #Marlins just signed the #Yankees

The 2012 edition of the Marlins Post-Championship Firesale will be fun.

Pujols to Angels for 10 years, 250-260 million.

Come on.

Damn, I would've liked to see him stay in St. Louis. The fans must be crushed.

The more I think about the Pujols/Angels deal, the more I think this is a win/win for everybody involved. I mean, the cardinals got 10 of the best years of any baseball player to play the game from Pujols and they got is DIRT CHEAP. The Cards weren't willing to give him the no-trade clause that he really wanted, and what I believe was the major sticking point. This allows the cards to back out (Despite what Mozeilak said, I dont think he really wanted to resign Pujols but knew he couldnt say that publicly in this town) but still look like they gave it their all. Pujols get the ego stroke/money that he wanted, he gets to play in a much bigger market and he gets to play in a market with a very large latino fan base. The Angels get a great player who they can make the face of their franchise, transition him to DH when he gets slower (or EVEN SLOWER, as the case may be) and then put him into the front office to keep the latino fans coming to games and being excited about the franchise as a whole.

I can't be too mad at him for getting his money.

Although there is a part of me that thinks, "A Quarter of a BILLION dollars to hit a little white ball with a stick. Oh America..."

No escape from Pujols for Rangers fans! Why, God? WHYYYYY

garion333 wrote:
Damn, I would've liked to see him stay in St. Louis. The fans must be crushed.

I'm with Benticore on this: if Pujols had left to another team for a 10yr/$220m deal -- which is what he had on the table from the Cardinals -- then I would have been really disappointed.

For 10yr/$250m, though, I actually think Pujols and the Cardinals end up in a good place. Pujols can't really turn down a $30 million bump and the Cardinals open up a lot of payroll to tighten up their roster elsewhere. Plus, the Cardinals already have a bit of a back-up plan: Berkman slides to 1B and Allen Craig becomes the everyday RF (once he recovers from offseason surgery).

Yeah, it is all good. I'm glad Pujols is getting paid, but I'm kind of glad the Cards aren't the ones shelling it out. I really would have loved to see him retire as a Cardinal. And who knows, in seven or eight years, maybe St. Louis can trade for him and let the Angels pay most of his, ridiculous by that point, salary.

Pujols' numbers have declined for three strate seasons. He has niggling injuries every year that he has played through. I have serious doubts he is going to be playing All-Star caliber baseball for more than 3 or 4 years. He has already regressed from playing $25 million a year baseball.

But he will draw fans and hopefully generate enough revenue for the Angels that this won't be viewed as a total bust. That was his main worth to St. louis at this point. As he approaches milestones, it should draw fans and sell merchandise. He is seriously the greatest right-handed hitter to play the game.

But St. Louis paid him $110 million dollars over the first (and best) 11 years of his career. Financially, they win big on this one. The Angels are paying him $250 million for worst 10 years of his career. Selfishly, I wanted to see him in St. Louis. But there is no way that this is a smart financial decision. It wouldn't have been even if he signed for St. Louis for the 9 years and $198 million, or the rumored 10 and $220 million.

This is why I said at the beginning of last season that I was not stressed over this at all. Worst case scenario, St. Louis gets Pujols for all of his milestones. Best case, someone else gets stuck overpaying him. And I am happy as heck to see him get this deal. He's been a great member of the community, and does a ton of charity work.

I agree with Benticore. This is win/win for everybody.

MyBrainHz wrote:
No escape from Pujols for Rangers fans! Why, God? WHYYYYY

I always expected the Rangers to sign him. I still think Pujols would generate more revenue for the Rangers than any other team, including the Cardinals.

Benticore wrote:
Although there is a part of me that thinks, "A Quarter of a BILLION dollars to hit a little white ball with a stick. Oh America..."

This should come as no shock, since A-Rod pulled 256 Million from the Rangers over 10 years ago. Back then, it was unprecidented. I like the move. Angels vs Marlins next season!!!!

Jayhawker wrote:
Pujols' numbers have declined for three strate seasons. He has niggling injuries every year that he has played through. I have serious doubts he is going to be playing All-Star caliber baseball for more than 3 or 4 years. He has already regressed from playing $25 million a year baseball.

This is something I was looking at not moments ago. The whole over 30 thing is scary as you never know how long he'll last.

I'm just glad the Yankees didn't get him.

garion333 wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:
Pujols' numbers have declined for three strate seasons. He has niggling injuries every year that he has played through. I have serious doubts he is going to be playing All-Star caliber baseball for more than 3 or 4 years. He has already regressed from playing $25 million a year baseball.

This is something I was looking at not moments ago. The whole over 40 thing is scary as you never know how long he'll last.

I'm just glad the Yankees didn't get him.

FTFY..

I saw a projection that for Pujols production over the next 10 years suing all that fancy sabermetrics stuff and calculus.

Projecting Albert using ZIPs:

YR AVG OBP SLG HR RBI WAR
'12 .302 .388 .564 37 100 6.6
'13 .296 .383 .538 32 92 5.7
'14 .292 .376 .523 30 87 5.1
'15 .287 .366 .506 27 80 4.3
'16 .281 .353 .484 24 73 3.5
'17 .274 .341 .468 22 67 2.8
'18 .268 .328 .448 19 60 2.1
'19 .259 .314 .424 16 52 1.4
'20 .251 .298 .399 11 37 0.7
'21 .249 .291 .380 7 25 0.2

That puts him on pace for 670 HR's. I think Cardinal fans would have enjoyed these seasons. I have to wonder what Angels fans will think about their $25 million dollar man in five years, with $125 million left to pay on his contract.

I think the bigger grab for the LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Angels is CJ Wilson, their pitching staff is going to be stacked. And my Oakland Athletics are never going to get a new ball park so we'll never spend money on anyone. :'(

So Braun is a cheater....but an MVP as well. Confusing.