Last I heard the Windows Defender is just MS Security Essentials with a new name.
And last time a roundup got brought up here MSE was one of the best AV things anyway.
I haven't felt any need to run anything on top of Windows Defender.
That was a long time ago. Things have changed and MSE is now considered bare bones. Microsoft recommends you don't use it as your primary AV.
I've been on Windows 8 for about a month now. In terms on Anti-Virus I have been using the built in Windows Defender. Is it good enough to keep, what are my options here?
I've been happy with a mix of that and HerdProtect.
Last I heard the Windows Defender is just MS Security Essentials with a new name.
More like an old name... that's what it was called before it was renamed MS Security Essentials.
Thin_J wrote:Last I heard the Windows Defender is just MS Security Essentials with a new name.
And last time a roundup got brought up here MSE was one of the best AV things anyway.
I haven't felt any need to run anything on top of Windows Defender.
That was a long time ago. Things have changed and MSE is now considered bare bones. Microsoft recommends you don't use it as your primary AV.
From AV-Comparative's most recent "real world" protection test:
Yeah, it's gotten bad.
I quite like Avira.
good to see trend micro still at the top
Well, that's disappointing.
But I still don't think I can be bothered running any of the damn things. AV software and I have a bad history. No matter which one I go with it will eventually screw something up in a way that will make me just up and uninstall it.
Picking up Eset Nod32 on the cheap was a great idea. The program leaves me the f alone, unlike Avast did.
ESET is what we use at work (so between NOD32 and File Security we've got well over 1000 endpoints to manage), it's good. It's not great but it generally just stays in the background and is easy on resources.
What makes ESET great are the people who handle the Day0 patches. When we've had Day0 outbreaks, the turnaround to a good working definition and cleaning response is only a matter of hours. Once reported, those folks move fast.
I dunno, I feel fine with just Microsoft Security Essentials. Only my wife and I use our gaming PC and we don't visit sketchy websites or do anything nefarious, and we follow pretty safe computing principles - don't open unsolicited attachments, don't download anything from sketchy websites, keep browsers and the OS up-to-date.
I've run with 'barebones' antivirus since XP days and with the exception of some crapware I would get in college (filesharing wooooo!) I've never had problems with viruses, trojans, or adware.
I dunno, I feel fine with just Microsoft Security Essentials. Only my wife and I use our gaming PC and we don't visit sketchy websites or do anything nefarious, and we follow pretty safe computing principles - don't open unsolicited attachments, don't download anything from sketchy websites, keep browsers and the OS up-to-date.
I've run with 'barebones' antivirus since XP days and with the exception of some crapware I would get in college (filesharing wooooo!) I've never had problems with viruses, trojans, or adware.
Yup. That's me too.
And my axe! I mean, me three.
Ages ago, I was running Avast, but I think I uninstalled and switched to MSE when Avast was causing some game or other to crash hard. I don't wander too far afield in my internet browsing and downloading, so I've felt pretty okay with that, but if there was a free, lightweight antivirus that I could install and forget about, I'd run it. Is there such a beast? I basically never want to have to think about my installed antivirus at all.
....if there was a free, lightweight antivirus that I could install and forget about, I'd run it. Is there such a beast? I basically never want to have to think about my installed antivirus at all.
I say keep it, but supplement it with something lightweight like Avira.
I quite like Avira.
I might have to try out Avira. My Kaspersky just expired and lets me know that with many daily popups.
Yeah, I'm probably going to download Avira when I get home. I just hadn't had a chance to research it and see how lightweight it actually is. Avast was supposedly lightweight too, up until it started interfering with what I wanted to do.
I run MSE on my main computer and my wifes and it's just fine. My kids computers are a different story. They need something better as they believe links to sites with free mincraft means they can get minecraft for free. Their computer is in need of repair (I think the cpu heat sink/fan need to be re-done) but once that's done I'm going to try making them non-administrator users and then get better AV if needed.
I guess I'll check out Avira. Thanks for the recommendations.
I run MSE on my main computer and my wifes and it's just fine. My kids computers are a different story. They need something better as they believe links to sites with free mincraft means they can get minecraft for free. Their computer is in need of repair (I think the cpu heat sink/fan need to be re-done) but once that's done I'm going to try making them non-administrator users and then get better AV if needed.
Just install freeBSD on their PC. If they can figure out how to install and get a web browser running on it they won't have to worry about viruses.
Just install OpenBSD on their PC. If they can figure out how to install and get a web browser running on it they won't have to worry about viruses.
Fixed for extra security.
I've been swapping out MSE for Avira on the Windows PCs within my sphere of influence.
I got to see first-hand Avira finding things that MSE was blind to when I did this switch on my dad's laptop, which was prompted by him complaining about the laptop's behavior. Avira found the issues while MSE was blissfully ignorant and stayed "green".
It's actually too bad, because my parents had learned to keep an eye on the MSE icon, and knew that green meant everything was OK, and would notice if it wasn't green.
Unfortunately, that green icon has become a lie.
I don't run any AV or Windows defender. COME AT ME BROS. I'M CRAZY.
I don't run any AV or Windows defender. COME AT ME BROS. I'M CRAZY.
I'm already in your system, hacking your Pr0n!!!
I don't run any AV or Windows defender. COME AT ME BROS. I'M CRAZY.
Oh god, the stuff I'm pulling off your system!
Gross dude!
I don't run any AV or Windows defender. COME AT ME BROS. I'M CRAZY.
Seriously, I knew it was you!
*- Throwback jokes are fun!
Gumbie wrote:I don't run any AV or Windows defender. COME AT ME BROS. I'M CRAZY.
Oh god, the stuff I'm pulling off your system!
Gross dude!
Gumbie wrote:I don't run any AV or Windows defender. COME AT ME BROS. I'M CRAZY.
Seriously, I knew it was you!
*- Throwback jokes are fun!
OH sh*t! ABORT ABORT CTRL ALT DELETE ACTIVATE FIREWALL AHHHH GET OUT OF MY PC!!!!
Yeah it's a pretty slow day at work
what i think is scary about this whole AV talk is that most viruses are unseen. since it is definitely a way of making money, people don't typically want you knowing that they put the virus on your computer. if you ever use your account to enter a ssn, bank account info, or worse; your world of warcraft information, it can be stolen- which is the real threat. In other words, the paranoia comes out in me just "thinking" i don't have a virus and that not having a heavy duty virus protection is letting the unknowns go by.
the most obnoxious ones that keep you from being able to use your computer at all are the least common; that is, based on scientific knowledge that has yet to be found.... unless someone can back me up here with some real data.
Do we have a catch-all for windows 10 yet? This is the closest thing I could find.
My computer started bugging me about this free windows 10 upgrade so I figured it's time to learn more about it.
Here ya go. It had sunk pretty far.
AV products are good for known threats. To mitigate against unknown threats you need to use application white listing like AppLocker, Mcafee HIPS, built in Microsoft EXE signing policies or something along those lines. We do this at where I work and it costs time but we're "safe" in that only approved EXE's are approved to run.
Add in the pass the hash mitigations (every local machine admin password is different) and with admin credential creep control (server admins can't connect to DCs, domain admin's can't access server shares and you run everything as a user and have machines just for your server or dc work ACLd to only talk to those VLANs) and you can kiss any efficiency goodbye but bad guys are going to have a significantly more difficult time spelunking your network because in today's world you assume you're already breached.
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