Windows 8

Chairman_Mao wrote:

edit: another thing--I am surprised to see that the $70 Windows 8 Pro you can buy on Amazon.com with $30 rebate allows you to upgrade from a preview copy of Windows 8--doesn't that essentially mean you're paying the upgrade price for a full copy of the OS? Also wonder if this upgrade path is available for the $40 download version.

They announced that a long time ago. Win 7 did the same.

Slacker1913 wrote:

I think they only allow that on preview copies that were installed over verified older version of Windows.

Nope. Any preview install according to what they said earlier. (Again, how Win 7 worked. I never had a full OS install on my HTPC at all prior to Win 7 beta).

Chairman_Mao wrote:

So the upgrade assistant tells me Bioshock 2 and Fallout 3 aren't compatible with Windows 8. Yippee

Don't trust the upgrade assistant when it comes to games. It's rarely right on those. Both of those games use Games for Windows Live and that might be the reason because Live integrates into the Metro side of the OS differently. I would wager they'll both still work, I'm pretty sure I've seen people running other GFWL games without issue in Windows 8. Unfortunately, the test machine I'm running 8 on has really old integrated graphics, otherwise I could verify for you. :/

My company depends on in house developed software that is only run internally but is needed for everyone in the company to do their jobs. Yes we can run these apps on the desktop environment in windows 8, the problem is they integrate with MS software like office. One of the things metro is changing is that desktop apps will not be able to integrate directly with metro apps which is what the new office apps will be

This is FUD.. Office 2013 is not a Metro app... the Office Metro app is completely separate product. There are zero indications that Microsoft is abandoning support for Desktop Application and Development. They might be stupid.. but they arent that stupid.

nm. Responded out of context.. Sorry!

I got my copy delivered this morning and so far I've had three unsuccessful attempts at installing it. First two times when I tried to keep my settings I got a blue screen and a memory dump somewhere around 40%. Then I decided to just make a clear install and keep nothing which got me all the way to proper reboot and "Configuring files" message. Then it rebooted twice more and got stuck at a black screen. I waited for 15 minutes until my monitor went into standby after which I gave up and did a hard reset.
My next step was going to be reformatting the whole drive and try to reinstall everything from scratch, starting with Win7. Unless anyone here knows of something else I could try?

PaladinTom wrote:
Kurrelgyre wrote:
Symbiotic wrote:

For the people who a really sad/angry/annoyed that the Start Menu is gone, I'm honestly curious to know what you miss about it that you can't just as easily do with either Windows+X or the built-in Search where you just type in the first few letters of what you're looking for and it shows up...?

Jump Lists?

Nested and custom program groups for me.

Search is a poor substitute for having your choices laid out for you in a menu. It involves pointless memorization of names of programs - some of which get used rarely, most of which don't transfer across systems. (I regularly (as in daily) use Windows, Linux and OSX systems.) It also increases the transfers of hands between keyboard and mouse, which slows things down.

I also use nested and custom program groups.

Slacker1913 wrote:

I got my copy delivered this morning and so far I've had three unsuccessful attempts at installing it. First two times when I tried to keep my settings I got a blue screen and a memory dump somewhere around 40%. Then I decided to just make a clear install and keep nothing which got me all the way to proper reboot and "Configuring files" message. Then it rebooted twice more and got stuck at a black screen. I waited for 15 minutes until my monitor went into standby after which I gave up and did a hard reset.
My next step was going to be reformatting the whole drive and try to reinstall everything from scratch, starting with Win7. Unless anyone here knows of something else I could try?

*facepalm*
OK, just in case anyone else out there is as thick as me, make sure your secondary monitor is on when you are installing Windows 8.

Slacker1913 wrote:

*facepalm*
OK, just in case anyone else out there is as thick as me, make sure your secondary monitor is on when you are installing Windows 8.

We've all been there.

So. I have the Amazon disc version in my cart because they have that $30 credit thing going on until tomorrow, and having a physical disc and box might be a nice thing. It nets slightly cheaper than MS's $40 download.

Can't make up my mind. I never got around to installing the early releases, but the thought of moving my mass storage to Storage Spaces is intriguing due to my previously mentioned aging WHS box.

Anyone upgrading their 7 main box to full on 8?
I can't decide to do it or not. I suppose there must be a roll-back option, or is there?

I eventually will upgrade, but though I'd give it a couple months to work out the kinks and drivers.
Or do I just do it now and live with myself....hmmm

Since my laptop just sits on a little table by my TV these days, I'm tempted to upgrade it to W8 just for grins. I just use it for watching Hulu's PC only shows, HBO Go, occasional web browsing when I'm using the PS3 to watch stuff. Does Hulu's W8 app let you watch the web only content? I would appreciate it if someone would check. There are some sci fi shows that are mysteriously web-only. Alphas is one, for instance. Drives me crazy.

groan wrote:

I can't decide to do it or not. I suppose there must be a roll-back option, or is there?

Sure, you can always format and reinstall. You could make an image, if you have disk space to spare.

groan wrote:

Anyone upgrading their 7 main box to full on 8?
I can't decide to do it or not. I suppose there must be a roll-back option, or is there?

I eventually will upgrade, but though I'd give it a couple months to work out the kinks and drivers.
Or do I just do it now and live with myself....hmmm

I've been putting off installing my new SSD so I just said f*ck it and decided to spend the $40 bucks, eat in tonight, and see just how painful the in-place update is. Worst case I get to do a fresh install of 7 on my new SSD. Best case Windows 8 charms me and I get to move my 128GB primary partition to my new 256GB SSD.
Edit: And yes. Before installing I am imaging my whole primary drive, just in case.
Edit2: Ugh... I just realized that my only personal 'Microsoft' account (hotmail) is the embarrassing username I picked back when I was still in High School. Works fine for Zune and Xbox, but not something I want linked on my primary Desktop.

Rezzy wrote:

Edit2: Ugh... I just realized that my only personal 'Microsoft' account (hotmail) is the embarrassing username I picked back when I was still in High School. Works fine for Zune and Xbox, but not something I want linked on my primary Desktop.

Go to Outlook.com and change the account to an @outlook.com address of your choosing. It will migrate all of your Live stuff.

MannishBoy wrote:
Rezzy wrote:

Edit2: Ugh... I just realized that my only personal 'Microsoft' account (hotmail) is the embarrassing username I picked back when I was still in High School. Works fine for Zune and Xbox, but not something I want linked on my primary Desktop.

Go to Outlook.com and change the account to an @outlook.com address of your choosing. It will migrate all of your Live stuff.

Excellent! Thanks! In hindsight I've been ignoring prompts to 'upgrade' to Outlook.com simply because Zune and Xbox are literally the only things I've used that account for in years.

Parallax Abstraction wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:

So the upgrade assistant tells me Bioshock 2 and Fallout 3 aren't compatible with Windows 8. Yippee

Don't trust the upgrade assistant when it comes to games. It's rarely right on those. Both of those games use Games for Windows Live and that might be the reason because Live integrates into the Metro side of the OS differently. I would wager they'll both still work, I'm pretty sure I've seen people running other GFWL games without issue in Windows 8. Unfortunately, the test machine I'm running 8 on has really old integrated graphics, otherwise I could verify for you. :/

Thanks, I'm sure stories will pop up of people's experiences eventually. FWIW, Bethesda wrote back saying

Please note that this product is not tested or supported in Windows 8. You *may* be able to run it using compatibility mode in Windows 8, but we cannot guarantee the game will function properly in this new operating system.

GRRRR... Anyone else getting this error? The support article on the fix lies.

"Setup has failed to apply migration data during upgrade"

Slacker1913 wrote:

*facepalm*
OK, just in case anyone else out there is as thick as me, make sure your secondary monitor is on when you are installing Windows 8.

I'd make fun but I've done far dumber things far too many times myself.

Got everything setup tonight. Opted to do a clean install. Copied WoW and Guild Wars 2 to another drive, both were copied back and run fine. It's going to take a bit for me to get used to this but I think I like it so far.

EDIT: Oh, and about monitor 2 ... yeah. I couldn't understand the blank screen until I switched the input on my tv over and realized the display was up there.

groan wrote:

Anyone upgrading their 7 main box to full on 8?
I can't decide to do it or not. I suppose there must be a roll-back option, or is there?

I eventually will upgrade, but though I'd give it a couple months to work out the kinks and drivers.
Or do I just do it now and live with myself....hmmm

groan wrote:

Anyone upgrading their 7 main box to full on 8?
I can't decide to do it or not. I suppose there must be a roll-back option, or is there?

I eventually will upgrade, but though I'd give it a couple months to work out the kinks and drivers.
Or do I just do it now and live with myself....hmmm

I decided to just go ahead and upgrade today for kicks. I had all my important stuff backed up anyway, so why not?

I have to say it has been as pain free as any OS install that I can ever recall. Everything (including games) seems to work fine, even my Microsoft Office 2003 (I hate every version after that!!) which I was told during the install was 100% NOT compatible! Guess who is still using Outlook and Word 2003? Me!

All in all I would say this was a solid win!

Coolbeans wrote:

Everything (including games) seems to work fine, even my Microsoft Office 2003 (I hate every version after that!!) which I was told during the install was 100% NOT compatible! Guess who is still using Outlook and Word 2003? Me!

All in all I would say this was a solid win!

Good to know the compatibility checker was wrong.

I think there was a problem with the ISO I got from work. The install errors out half-way through saying that it doesn't have all the files it needs.

Peas.

It seems MS don't do a whole lot of validation on their upgrade offer if you bought a win7 PC from the 2nd of June: https://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/...

It pretty much just requires saying I honestly did buy a PC in the valid dates, giving a valid email, and you get a discount code. Drops the price from £25 to £15 here (and then I decide I can't be bothered).

Anyone know the sizes of the final install of 8 as well as free space required for an upgrade? I've only got a 128gb SSD so I'm a little worried I won't have enough free space.

EvilHomer3k wrote:

Anyone know the sizes of the final install of 8 as well as free space required for an upgrade? I've only got a 128gb SSD so I'm a little worried I won't have enough free space.

I did it on my 128GB primary partition. No problems. Actually just cleared out my Windows.old and Temp installer folder to free up 40GB.
I think I had about 25GB free when I started. The current size of my Windows Folder is just shy of 20GB.
Edit: The more I'm thinking about it I'm pretty sure I had much less than 25GB free, probably closer to 15.
Edit2: And my system does have access to several other drives so I'm not sure if it is smart enough to use those for staging the install, so that might be a factor.

Yeah my C drive is using about 55GB - with windows.old and a bunch of installed apps. Windows directory is taking up 16.7GB

Chairman_Mao wrote:
Coolbeans wrote:

Everything (including games) seems to work fine, even my Microsoft Office 2003 (I hate every version after that!!) which I was told during the install was 100% NOT compatible! Guess who is still using Outlook and Word 2003? Me!

All in all I would say this was a solid win!

Good to know the compatibility checker was wrong.

Yes, but after playing with it several hours more, I have to say I'm a bit less impressed. I constantly find myself going back to the desktop to do what I want to do just because it's what I am used to. If I'm constantly going back, why not just stay there until there is a more compelling reason to move forward?

So I think I'm probably going back to Windows 7 for a bit longer.

Decided to pick this up and just install it on my laptop for now to play around with it without committing to changing my main PC.
Got it for about $16, they are really pushing for early buys on this.

Random thought about the gestures, hidden UI stuff (no graphic to suggest going to a corner/edge compared to a red button with an X) and mouse control. I do a fair amount of browser control through mouse gestures, hold right mouse plus 1-3 directions to do a command. Why is it with W8 that you need to push your mouse right to the edge/corner of a screen to bring up a menu, and not button+direction, a bit like a pie menu.

And, same as when they introduced them in Office, I'm really initially disliking ribbons in the new File Explorer.