Windows 8

Are you actually still running it?

Malor wrote:

Are you actually still running it?

Are you asking me? If so, I never installed it, just saw the driver release and thought people would be interested. I'm with W7 for life, baby!

Why I hate windows 8:

Because it rocks.

I really wanted to hate it so much that we'd be skipping it for all 600 users but once you show people that start is gone and hit the windows key to get back to metro, they'll get the hang of it. There will always be some fogies, sure.

Why I'm loving it:

- the up arrow in windows explorer
- command line here with optional admin privs
- copy path button
- checkboxes for hidden files and extensions
- spanned taskbar with configurable system tray and taskbar awareness for apps
- auto adjust column width
- built in pdf viewer
- incredible lack of UAC harassment (even with RSAT)
- improved task manager, far simpler for the users with a toggle for advanced features that we admins need, a lot more info, killing apps doesn't require further prompting of "are you sure" or UAC

I'll add to the list as I go on, I've only been using it for a couple hours.

You know, it's funny how many new user accounts in so many different fora have popped up, praising Win8.

Malor wrote:

You know, it's funny how many new user accounts in so many different fora have popped up, praising Win8.

Okay, Mr. Paranoid, he's been a member of the forum for almost a year.

Yeah, I dunno, it's just weird how many low post count accounts are showing up and saying things like that. It's not just here.

ibdoomed wrote:

Why I'm loving it:

- the up arrow in windows explorer
- command line here with optional admin privs
- copy path button
- checkboxes for hidden files and extensions
- spanned taskbar with configurable system tray and taskbar awareness for apps
- auto adjust column width
- built in pdf viewer
- incredible lack of UAC harassment (even with RSAT)
- improved task manager, far simpler for the users with a toggle for advanced features that we admins need, a lot more info, killing apps doesn't require further prompting of "are you sure" or UAC

I'll add to the list as I go on, I've only been using it for a couple hours.

Many of those are already in current versions of windows, or in the case of the explorer up arrow, regressing to how it used to be in xp after they 'improved' it. That list of little tweaks is going to have to be a whole lot longer before it becomes a reason to buy a new OS.

I never understood the problem with no arrow up in Explorer when you have the bread crumb trail that allows you to click back to whatever level you want to go to.

A button isn't a moving target if you want to go up one level at a time.

Scratched wrote:

A button isn't a moving target if you want to go up one level at a time.

But if you can go directly to where you want, why does it matter?

I just never got the big controversy other than people were in a habit of hitting up.

It bugged me for about a day, until I realized it was much faster to go exactly to the folder level I wanted in one click every time.

MannishBoy wrote:
Scratched wrote:

A button isn't a moving target if you want to go up one level at a time.

But if you can go directly to where you want, why does it matter?

I just never got the big controversy other than people were in a habit of hitting up.

It bugged me for about a day, until I realized it was much faster to go exactly to the folder level I wanted in one click every time.

Faster depends on the situation, like Scratched said, the button isn't a moving target and as an admin, I'm constantly bouncing around directories so I always know where the button is and how many times I need to click it to go where I need to go.

But I digress. Scratched is also right in that since most of those things did exist in 7, just not as easy to use (shift right clicking for example), there's no point in upgrading and dealing with all the broken pieces: vsphere client, acronis, simpl windows, etc...

Scratched wrote:

Meanwhile at Google...

cNet wrote:

In the computing world right now, there are two general ways to show windows on a screen: with the window taking up the entire screen, as on smartphones and tablets; or with resizable, overlapping windows, as on personal computer OSes

Thank you for clarifying that, cNet.

Ars Technica did a huge writeup on using Windows 8 in a multi-monitor environment (3). It's not going to work for me as I have 3 monitors, and most everything that's mentioned is a deal breaker for me.

It's bizarre: the first Microsoft operating system that really integrates support for multiple monitors (rather than just blindly enlarging the desktop to span every screen) is also the first Microsoft operating system that's almost unusable with multiple monitors.

If they had some more customization, it could have been really cool, but it sounds like a trainwreck how they integrated Metro with Aero. That's how the developer preview felt to me when I tried it on a VM (1 monitor). I was hoping they would have more customization features for multi-monitor setups.

Ah well, maybe they can come up with some fixes for Windows 9. At least Windows 8 will be nice on a tablet. I love Windows Phone Mango.

Edit: I still my upgrade my Alienware M11x to Windows 8. With the SSD and that fast startup thing, it might be kinda neat. The screen is so small on that thing, Metro might be better for the minimal amount of tasks I do on the laptop.

I'm going to install Windows 8 on another machine and use it for a few days to get a feel but once again I say to Microsoft: My desktop is not a tablet, stop trying to turn it into one.

They've announced a Release Preview for early June. I've never gotten around to installing the Consumer Preview on my second box yet, so I might wait until then. Don't know.

MannishBoy wrote:

They've announced a Release Preview for early June. I've never gotten around to installing the Consumer Preview on my second box yet, so I might wait until then. Don't know.

I'd wait, spend your time on something else.

Something I find interesting is that no one has managed to or been bothered to change W8 into just normal desktop windows and lobotomise it of metro, like an updated W7.

I really really hope that MS don't try and be clever and tie something related to gaming exclusively to W8, especially as they've supposedly got a new console on the horizon. I hate it when they try to force people's hands like that. They tried it with DX10/Vista (even if there was a technical reason for it) and it didn't work so well.

From my experimentation, it's a freaking disaster. Metro does not belong on a desktop. I suggest staying far, far away.

I'm vaguely interested in a Windows 8 Tablet...I have no compelling reason to upgrade to Windows 8 on my desktop unless it's somehow über fast or something.. Windows 7 is pretty nice as it is

I'm sure there are lots of under the hood improvements from W7-W8, but it at least for me does come down to good enough versus better, and costs that that involves. For many "good enough" is/was xp, and I guess that's what MS has placed their bets against, non-adoption.

There's some decent technical improvements in W8, but Metro is such a disaster on a desktop that they're not worth it.

MannishBoy wrote:

I've never gotten around to installing the Consumer Preview on my second box yet, so I might wait until then. Don't know.

Same here. I think I'm running low on storage space on my desktop that a virtual machine isn't exactly a real prospect. I also have little interest in upgrading to Win8, so I think I'm just going to wait and hope that they figure things out by Win9.

Valve is porting Steam and the Source Engine to Linux, and apparently a big reason behind that is Gabe Newell thinking Windows 8 is crap.

Scratched wrote:

I really really hope that MS don't try and be clever and tie something related to gaming exclusively to W8

Oh god, they're going to make Halo 3 Windows 8 exclusive aren't they?!?

Norfair wrote:
Scratched wrote:

I really really hope that MS don't try and be clever and tie something related to gaming exclusively to W8

Oh god, they're going to make Halo 3 Windows 8 exclusive aren't they?!?

I bet it will have mandatory kinect or touch screen controls too! So awesome!

An interesting little change with the Visual Studio 11 editions: http://www.winsupersite.com/blog/sup...

VS Express (the free edition) 11 no longer supports making desktop apps, only metro apps, but VS Express 2010 stays available. For desktop apps you need the full fledged VS.

Scratched wrote:

An interesting little change with the Visual Studio 11 editions: http://www.winsupersite.com/blog/sup...

VS Express (the free edition) 11 no longer supports making desktop apps, only metro apps, but VS Express 2010 stays available. For desktop apps you need the full fledged VS.

Awful. Microsoft please stop being insane.

f*ck you, Microsoft.

Note, they just came out from under antitrust supervision, and look what's already happening.

What does altering the way in which a free product functions have to do with violating anti-trust rules? Not trying to be snarky, I'm curious. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a dumb move on their part to try to drag people into Metro whether they want it or not (and many like me are saying they don't) but I don't see how this is any more illegal than Apple banning flash cross-compiling tools for iOS a while back.

I wonder how much of that decision is based on the continued de-Aero'ing of Win8.