Osama Bin Laden is dead!

I understand your sadness but this is pretty much the only way this could have ended.
I never said there were other options. Just that the deeper meaning of the event is actually quite tragic. His death changes nothing, he was a waste of a human being. Yet what was (IMO) the greatest country on Earth has been debasing and humiliating itself for a third of my life in his name. And we'll continue hemorrhaging money and influence until we don't have any left. And when you ask why all we could say was "we were attacked". Now we can't even say that. Now it's just about maintaining the world order as long as we can simply because if we don't we are no longer in charge.

You can say the alternatives we're currently facing are worse, but you can no longer say what we're doing is right. Just that it's necessary to serve our interests. We're just using our might to serve our own interests, like every other jackass political entity that's ever existed.

America slowly becoming just another country. It's tragic. There are kids who are currently growing up never knowing the Americans as the good guys, just as our guys. Just as less bad than the alternatives. We still manage to do some good, but we're becoming just another empire. It was probably inevitable. Doesn't make it suck any less.

I am glad we killed him. With that being said, this will not end anything.

I'm interested in hearing the rationale behind the operation being "kill only", which is what's being reporting.

93_confirmed wrote:
I'm interested in hearing the rationale behind the operation being "kill only", which is what's being reporting.

I think if it wasn't a kill-only op, and US ended up having the custody of bin Laden alive, then the likes of Trump would be calling Obama "too soft" to pull the trigger, that's why.

Can't we have one day of mutual celebration before we get back into "Americans Are Way Better Than Muslims" nonsense?

I agree with Pyro, really I do. It is sad that we're this psyched because we killed one man. The thing is, the man gave us a black eye and we promised he'd pay for it. Now he has. Nothing about this situation is ideal but I think we can all agree that Bin Laden was a bastard. Let's leave it at that and move forward.

Bin Laden wins. Sigh.

Nekroman wrote:

I don't see any Americans burning any book or flag or dragging someone through the street like an animal.

True enough (though I won't be surprised if somewhere, someone ends up burning a Quran...*looks in Westboro's direction*), but the overall atmosphere is just a little too similar for my tastes.

Not begrudging anyone for participating...I completely understand the sentiment, and was expecting something like this when/if it happened, I'm just a little disheartened to see that when the pendulum swings our way, a lot of the same behavior crops up.

Tomorrow I will agree with Pyroman. Today I will indulge myself and celebrate the death of a terrible person -- just like I did with Jerry Falwell.

Nekroman wrote:

These look nothing like the celebrations from radical muslim groups. I don't see any Americans burning any book or flag or dragging someone through the street like an animal. There is nothing wrong with celebrating his death as an American. And waving US flags and cheering, you are mistaken sir.

I think you're missing the point. It's creepy to see something so eerily familiar to what we see out of the people we're fighting playing out in your own country. Between that and the collateral damage in Iraq and Afghanistan being higher than those killed on 9/11 we risk becoming just us vs. them with no actual "right" or "wrong".

Seth wrote:
Tomorrow I will agree with Pyroman. Today I will indulge myself and celebrate the death of a terrible person -- just like I did with Jerry Falwell.
I really hate being that guy, honestly. I'll just bow out now. Glad he's dead, everyone should enjoy getting some catharsis for a while.

Yay?

Can we please bring our soldiers the f*ck home now?

Hard to see this as any type of victory after our economy is shattered, our goodwill around the world used up, and our domestic freedom's stripped from us. Osama did accomplish what he set out to accomplish. Now he's dead but that is hardly a victory and there is certainly no triumph in it. I only hope there is some closure and that we can all start moving on.

Breaking- The house Osama bin Laden was found in:
IMAGE(http://i.imgur.com/Pc7Um.png)

Yay he's dead and all that. I don't feel bad at all. He's the Hitler of our generation.

But I find it interesting that there is almost no info on the details of the operation. I understand secrecy and all, but not even a mention as to what units were involved. Where did people see that SEALs were involved?

Nevin73 wrote:
Yay he's dead and all that. I don't feel bad at all. He's the Hitler of our generation.

But I find it interesting that there is almost no info on the details of the operation. I understand secrecy and all, but not even a mention as to what units were involved. Where did people see that SEALs were involved?

I guess the internet has changed everyone's perspective on things. We actually have an incredible amount of information considering the news was officially announced 12 hours ago. =)

As for the SEALs thing, it's been reported pretty much unanimously by the news media.

Another thing I am happy for, given the circumstances, that the mission was trusted to the SEALs. If it was CIA, they would absolutely find a way to royally screw it up, as per usual.

Aetius wrote:
Bin Laden wins. Sigh.

Going to elaborate at all, or leave it at that? What would you have preferred? "Dying" is a pretty low bar to set, seeing as everyone gets around to it sooner or later.

DSGamer wrote:
Imagine if one day someone decided it was time to hold Bush to account for the war in Iraq and they entered the US with special forces and took him out. I'm guessing we wouldn't be pleased about that violation of our sovereignty.

That's not even close to a comparable situation. Bin Laden wasn't the Pakistani President, or any sort of leader, or even a citizen. He was an enemy of their own government as well.

A better example would be if one of those Mexican Drug Lords you hear so much about was hiding out in the States for some reason and the Mexican Government sent special forces to take him out.

I'm not saying we wouldn't be extremely pissed, we would, but it's still a completely different situation than the assassination of our former head of state.

LobsterMobster wrote:
Aetius wrote:
Bin Laden wins. Sigh.

Going to elaborate at all, or leave it at that? What would you have preferred? "Dying" is a pretty low bar to set, seeing as everyone gets around to it sooner or later.

That was actually Bizaro-Bin Laden. In his parallel reality he has won every Nobel peace prize since he turned twelve, for his work in inventing Unlimited clean energy, ending world hunger, curing cancer, and making Soccer the official sport of the United States through non-violent protest.

... besides, after MW2 Karachi map, the SEALs should have plenty of experience.

Yonder wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
Imagine if one day someone decided it was time to hold Bush to account for the war in Iraq and they entered the US with special forces and took him out. I'm guessing we wouldn't be pleased about that violation of our sovereignty.

That's not even close to a comparable situation. Bin Laden wasn't the Pakistani President, or any sort of leader, or even a citizen. He was an enemy of their own government as well.

A better example would be if one of those Mexican Drug Lords you hear so much about was hiding out in the States for some reason and the Mexican Government sent special forces to take him out.

I'm not saying we wouldn't be extremely pissed, we would, but it's still a completely different situation than the assassination of our former head of state.

The US apparently also had an understanding with Pakistan going back to 2002 that actionable intelligence would lead to direct US intervention, even in Pakistani borders.

Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
Another thing I am happy for, given the circumstances, that the mission was trusted to the SEALs. If it was CIA, they would absolutely find a way to royally screw it up, as per usual.

The political risk for the president was enormous. Had the mission failed for any reason, the fallout for him would have probably cost him the election and destroyed the martial credibility of the Democratic party for years.

The thing I give the President credit for is that he sent men to kill Osama. No hellfire missile, no JDAM, just men.


Bin Laden wins. Sigh.

His successful attack on the US made AQ a household name throughout the world. He "won" years ago. Consider him taking a bullet to the face as the logical consequence of his victory.

Reaper81 wrote:
Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
Another thing I am happy for, given the circumstances, that the mission was trusted to the SEALs. If it was CIA, they would absolutely find a way to royally screw it up, as per usual.

The political risk for the president was enormous. Had the mission failed for any reason, the fallout for him would have probably cost him the election and destroyed the martial credibility of the Democratic party for years.

The thing I give the President credit for is that he sent men to kill Osama. No hellfire missile, no JDAM, just men.


Bin Laden wins. Sigh.

His successful attack on the US made AQ a household name throughout the world. He "won" years ago. Consider him taking a bullet to the face as the logical consequence of his victory.

Well said!

Reaper81 wrote:
Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
Another thing I am happy for, given the circumstances, that the mission was trusted to the SEALs. If it was CIA, they would absolutely find a way to royally screw it up, as per usual.

The political risk for the president was enormous. Had the mission failed for any reason, the fallout for him would have probably cost him the election and destroyed the martial credibility of the Democratic party for years.

The thing I give the President credit for is that he sent men to kill Osama. No hellfire missile, no JDAM, just men.


Bin Laden wins. Sigh.

His successful attack on the US made AQ a household name throughout the world. He "won" years ago. Consider him taking a bullet to the face as the logical consequence of his victory.

Also, Martyrdom > Captured. And for that matter, he'll probably do more to galvanize radical Muslims dead than he was currently doing alive.

Filthy skimmer;

So Saddam is dead, and Bin Laden is dead, which according to the media over the last however many years really means TERROR IS DEAD! Thus endeth the "war on terror"!

Except... probably not so much .. at all... in any fashion.

LobsterMobster wrote:
Going to elaborate at all, or leave it at that? What would you have preferred?

We assassinated him in the night, along with everyone around him. What does that say about us? What makes us different than him?

Will this bring our troops home? Is the War on Terror over? Will our government suddenly decide it doesn't need an enemy? Will this stop the endless killing we've been pursuing ever since he goaded us into invading Afghanistan?

Reaper81 wrote:
His successful attack on the US made AQ a household name throughout the world. He "won" years ago. Consider him taking a bullet to the face as the logical consequence of his victory.

And now he is a martyr that will be held up for everyone in the world to see just how little the United States honors the rule of law. His goal was to start an international war between the United States and Muslim countries; we just invaded a third Muslim country and have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people - and now him. He will be revered as a hero who stood up to the corrupt, violent, and cruel American imperialists and died fighting. He will inspire and motivate, and now there is nothing we can ever do to defuse and degrade his influence.

Mytch wrote:
Also, Martyrdom > Captured. And for that matter, he'll probably do more to galvanize radical Muslims dead than he was currently doing alive.

I've seen this sentiment a lot, and I have to respectfully disagree. In my view, OBL's continued evasion of the U.S. and allied forces stood to radical muslims as proof-positive of the Western world's impotence against their movement. Regardless of how it is spun, I believe that his death does represent a significant psychological blow to the organisation, and will have significant reverberations. If the most protected man in their movement wasn't safe, especially in light of the continued attrition of their leadership via drone strikes, I think far fewer people will be willing to step into a leadership role. The downside, of course, is that I think the movement will go even further underground now.

That's what makes the kill order puzzling. Bin Laden in a jail talking madness for a decade would have been much more effective and useful.

The reviews are in, Osama bin Laden's compound is a dump.

Oh, Internet, is there anything you can't crowdsource to tastelessness?

Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
Another thing I am happy for, given the circumstances, that the mission was trusted to the SEALs. If it was CIA, they would absolutely find a way to royally screw it up, as per usual.

I think Obama decided on the SEALS because of their handling of the Somali pirates.

He chose wisely.

DSGamer wrote:
That's what makes the kill order puzzling. Bin Laden in a jail talking madness for a decade would have been much more effective and useful.

The amount of kidnappings of innocent people in attempts to barter for bin Laden's freedom would've been staggering.