Drawing / Sketching / Digital Painting

Quick question for the group:

Any of you has had experiences publishing your comics on Tapas? How is it?

I've been self hosting mine for some time on my own private server (and very few people actually have the link, I haven't gone public with it), so it's been fine so far, but I want to move away from that. Now, my comic does feature full frontal, but no 'adult activities' and, according to the Tapas content rules, I think this is OK for the web, not for the app. That's fine with me, I don't expect to ever make money on this, and I'm not concerned about growing an audience.

Just gonna say for the record here that I think AI art isn't going to go anywhere anytime soon, and could genuinely be a useful tool for artists, the issue right now is that its biggest proponents appear to be people who not only do not understand art and are incapable of viewing it as anything other than an investment opportunity or money-making scheme, but are actively disdainful of artists, their concerns, and their work.

Their output reads like an attempt at "beating" artists rather than any genuine desire to add artistic value to the world.

They are totally misusing and mismarketing AI art. Though I will say they must be making some cash or luring investors with multilevel scams.

AI art could be gang busters as a support tool, in fact, a lot of it currently already is as procedural generating plugins for software such as Blender and Houdini. But this community perpetuating exclusive club online only sh*t has got to go. That is the stuff that gets all the press though

Very sad, unexpected news:

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Yeah, total shock. A huge loss.

(Also, pursuant to my last post, I should not be surprised that someone immediately tried to train a AI bot to make his art when the body was barely even cold.)

True.

Clip Studio Paint announces that they're integrating Stable Diffusion (an AI art model) into their program.

3. We cannot guarantee that images generated by the current model will not infringe on the rights of others. While we will not limit the use of generated images, we ask users to use their best legal and moral judgment and ensure that their work does not infringe on the rights of others in all cases, regardless of whether you use image generation or not.

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This is after them switching to a subscription model, too. How to alienate your primary user base in two easy steps.

I (cautiously) like the AI art generators. They’re probably going to take the place of humans in some early areas of graphic design but they don’t have their own style and can only produce what can be coaxed out of them from source material, which sort of limits their utility in a lot of areas (I suspect there will be a major trial concerning copyright and AI art in the next several years). Granted I only paint and make sh*tty comics anymore but I don’t feel particularly threatened by anything I’ve seen and have even used them to create my own reference material for paintings. I only briefly used Clip Studio and wasn’t terribly thrilled by it but this might have spurred me to try it again until I found out they moved to a subscription model.

Good thing Krita is the bees knees then now that CSP is a sub. Can we still use the perpetual license we already bought just sans updates?

fangblackbone wrote:

Good thing Krita is the bees knees then now that CSP is a sub. Can we still use the perpetual license we already bought just sans updates?

I believe so, yes. If you bought CSP 1, you can keep using it as long as you want, but you won't get new features or bug fixes once they move to CSP2+.

It's frustrating, but the tech isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

It will if we eat all the tech bros.

EDIT: Found the tweet!

It's very interesting how any attempts to venture into AI music have been very careful to only use assets they have permission to use, because they know what they're doing to visual artists is stealing, it's just that the music industry can afford to sue the pants off them lol

That said, The Verge had a really good article about how complicated all this stuff is.

Prederick wrote:

I remain convinced that, as the technology improves, if you thought the "Did the computer draw that?" Traditional/Digital divide was bad, it's only going to grow worse in the future.

Like, speaking totally personally, I'd wager by 2032 there's going to be a program/app that'll do most of the heavy lifting with "fundamentals" of illustration for you, and there is going to be discourse about it.

LOL @ me thinking it'd take a decade. We're here right now.

I wonder if this will advance into 3d?

Moggy wrote:

I wonder if this will advance into 3d?

Absolutely. I’d go 10 steps further and say most creative jobs are about to be gone. Programmers are even programming their way out of a job. https://twitter.com/alexrosegames/st...

I don't think there's any kind of digital creation work that AI won't transform (so definitely yes on 3D). But personally I'm cautiously very optimistic. The obvious near-term path is for AI to eliminate a lot of busy work - like in the tweet, it can't code your game, but it can save you a lot of typing.

What I worry more about is access - it's easy to imagine a near future where the best creation tools are effectively must-have for professional work, but also prohibitively expensive. I.e. an AI equivalent of photoshop (which, uh, might just be photoshop).

Fredrik_S wrote:
Moggy wrote:

I wonder if this will advance into 3d?

Absolutely. I’d go 10 steps further and say most creative jobs are about to be gone. Programmers are even programming their way out of a job. https://twitter.com/alexrosegames/st...

Nah, until an AI can figure out what customers actually want instead of what they say they want, I'll have a job.

https://dreamfusion3d.github.io/

Text to 3D

Also, AI assisted content will always be superior to solely AI generated content.

Fredrik_S wrote:
Moggy wrote:

I wonder if this will advance into 3d?

Absolutely. I’d go 10 steps further and say most creative jobs are about to be gone. Programmers are even programming their way out of a job. https://twitter.com/alexrosegames/st...

When the AI chatbot designs its own AI chatbot, we're on our way to the singularity!

I've got a question! I want to make a pixel art image that I'm going to use as a cross stitch pattern. I'm bad at art, so I want to find images and trace them. My target image size is going to be something like 220x160 or something low res like that.

What I'm looking for is a tool that will let me overlay my low res grid image thing on top of a higher res reference image so I can trace it. Is there a free/cheap tool that'll let me do that? I've messed around with semi-transparent layers in things like paint.net or gimp, but the only way I've found to do what I want with those is to resize the reference image, which messes up the detail. There must be a better way!

Krita?
Its free and has layers
There is also a free web based clone of photoshop (photopea)

ART GRIPE:

My GOD I am so, so tired of 97% of "girls with guns" content being sexy-sex-sex-sexy-sex. Like, it is genuinely difficult to find pictures of women with guns looking competent or threatening.

Like, I don't mind the sexy-sex-sex-sexy-sex reference, I just wish it wasn't the overwhelming majority of the material, as opposed to men, of course, where the reference ratio is almost entirely reversed.

I am trying to find good pose reference for my Woman With Gun character design that isn't "HERE IS MY GUN AND ALSO MY BUTT" and it is so f*ckin' difficult.

Try them holding another type of weapon. I'm sure you'll get a bunch of sexy sex sex, but you should also get more fierceness and intimidation too.
Looking up Michelle Yeoh would be fruitful.
Also, look up pictures of saber from the Anime FATE. She is well armored and menacing.
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Prederick wrote:

ART GRIPE:

My GOD I am so, so tired of 97% of "girls with guns" content being sexy-sex-sex-sexy-sex. Like, it is genuinely difficult to find pictures of women with guns looking competent or threatening.

Like, I don't mind the sexy-sex-sex-sexy-sex reference, I just wish it wasn't the overwhelming majority of the material, as opposed to men, of course, where the reference ratio is almost entirely reversed.

I am trying to find good pose reference for my Woman With Gun character design that isn't "HERE IS MY GUN AND ALSO MY BUTT" and it is so f*ckin' difficult.

Another possibility, if more laborious, is to capture some stills from films that happen to involve women with guns. Easier said than done of course, since you have to actually search through the films / look up specific scenes on Youtube—but you might already be drawing inspiration from some of these characters anyway, so why not go to the source?

There are a few pose references available. There is one that posts on Imgur often but I forget her name. And there is adorkastock. You might check out their archives I bet they have something that would work.

Ravanon wrote:
Prederick wrote:

ART GRIPE:

My GOD I am so, so tired of 97% of "girls with guns" content being sexy-sex-sex-sexy-sex. Like, it is genuinely difficult to find pictures of women with guns looking competent or threatening.

Like, I don't mind the sexy-sex-sex-sexy-sex reference, I just wish it wasn't the overwhelming majority of the material, as opposed to men, of course, where the reference ratio is almost entirely reversed.

I am trying to find good pose reference for my Woman With Gun character design that isn't "HERE IS MY GUN AND ALSO MY BUTT" and it is so f*ckin' difficult.

Another possibility, if more laborious, is to capture some stills from films that happen to involve women with guns. Easier said than done of course, since you have to actually search through the films / look up specific scenes on Youtube—but you might already be drawing inspiration from some of these characters anyway, so why not go to the source?

Vasquez!

Aliens and AvP comics?

Honestly, what I've been doing is just finding ref of men, and making the necessary changes. It's just so much easier.

there are programs and web apps that let you pose 3d reference models, posemy.art is one a friend uses but there’s a wide selection of others.