New Nintendo console to be announced at E3.

It's all academic talking about upping hardware capabilities, the cost of developing for them, and passing the cost onto the consumer. As the front page article says, they've been around a while now. I think it's getting closer and closer to the point where someone has to try and take that step, and see what happens. I'm not sure it's going to be a smooth ride for everyone when it does.

A few thoughts.

- I fear a Wii 2 kickstarting the next generation. I'm happy with everything that's out now. I don't want or need a better 360 right now. Better games maybe, but not a better 360.

- The Wii 2 will likely be still be waggle-centric and about the level of power of a 360. Like 2 Wiis duct-taped together. I don't see how this helps Nintendo. They need to make a big leap.

MannishBoy wrote:

I misread this originally as they'd release something late this year. By late 2012, I almost expect to have a new MS console as well. I know they keep talking about the 360 being a 10 year platform, but I think they'll follow the PS2 strategy and have both high and low end platforms.

The 360 continues to sell well mostly because of the Kinect. I don't see Microsoft launching a new system until 2013. But you never know, this surprise by Nintendo could have Sony and/or Microsoft jump the gun early.

I can't wait to see the hardware specs as IGN just said this is supposed to be significantly more powerful than the 360/PS3 (as well it should be, those systems are mad old - lol 512mb of ram). It will be interesting how this effects the market and the power level Sony and Microsoft plan to go for their future systems.

If Nintendo plans on creating a solid online experience I would jump for joy if Mario Kart and Smash Bros were launch titles.

Also, I'm not sure if any of you guys are aware of the Dolphin emulator for PC that up-scales Gamecube and Wii games but it would be amazing if the Nintendo 6 has something similar inside.

Some screenshots:

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What are the odds of Nintendo getting their sh*t together with regards to online play and interaction? They sort of jumped out of the console war with MS and Sony, and I wonder if they can jump back in just like that.

BNice wrote:

The 360 continues to sell well mostly because of the Kinect. I don't see Microsoft launching a new system until 2013. But you never know, this surprise by Nintendo could have Sony and/or Microsoft jump the gun early.

That's why I think this next cycle will be the same basic architecture, just more of it. Backwards compatibility will be much better if that's the case.

Not to mention the fact that MS's got some strong virtualization products to facilitate that.

My biggest concern about a new round of consoles is how they are going to handle existing digital content. I've mostly avoided digital content on the Wii because it seemed the least likely to be carried over to the new machine. However, I'll honestly be a might bit frustrated if Sony and MS don't figure out a way to migrate my PSN and Live content over to their new machines. I have the most faith in Microsoft to do this correctly simply because a decent chunk of Xbox 1 DLC migrated to the 360.

As far as a new Nintendo console, I am undecided. I bought the Wii on launch day for the Nintendo properties that I've loved since the 80's, but with the exception of the stellar Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, I've found most of the other big 1st party Nintendo stuff to be a mixed bag this time around.

Just wondering, what's got to happen in an industry before you can call something 'a crash'?

Scratched wrote:

Just wondering, what's got to happen in an industry before you can call something 'a crash'?

Something *very* different from the last 5 years of the videogame industry, that's what.

MannishBoy wrote:
BNice wrote:

The 360 continues to sell well mostly because of the Kinect. I don't see Microsoft launching a new system until 2013. But you never know, this surprise by Nintendo could have Sony and/or Microsoft jump the gun early.

That's why I think this next cycle will be the same basic architecture, just more of it. Backwards compatibility will be much better if that's the case.

Not to mention the fact that MS's got some strong virtualization products to facilitate that.

Yeah I see that as well. Microsoft definitely did a good job of making it easier to have BC on whatever they do next. I really want the launch to be somehow delayed to 2014 though, so it can boast some version of that Maxwell GPU Nvidia has been hyping but I bet it will be something like a 560 ti.

Sony is in a weird position as I'm not so sure they want to continue with Cell but then the question is how do they differentiate themselves from Microsoft?

This is so exciting, new console! AHHHHHHHHHH

Someone working in the factories better leak a blurry, terrible photo for us to freak out over.

DSGamer wrote:

- The Wii 2 will likely be still be waggle-centric and about the level of power of a 360. Like 2 Wiis duct-taped together. I don't see how this helps Nintendo. They need to make a big leap.

It's not anything definitive, but...

IGN wrote:

Game Informer first reported that the console is capable of running games at "HD resolutions." Our sources have said the the console is significantly more powerful than the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, and that Nintendo's intent is to recapture the hardcore market. Another source said it is capable of 1080p resolutions.

Bizarre predictions time: I'm going to bet 8 molecules of oxygen that it partially involves a tablet with 3D tech like the 3DS, so you can play dual screen games using tablet + TV.

Scratched wrote:

Bizarre predictions time: I'm going to bet 8 molecules of oxygen that it partially involves a tablet with 3D tech like the 3DS, so you can play dual screen games using tablet + TV.

But it's going to be a resistive touch screen and require a stylus.

DSGamer wrote:

- I fear a Wii 2 kickstarting the next generation. I'm happy with everything that's out now. I don't want or need a better 360 right now. Better games maybe, but not a better 360.

I'm ready for the next generation to begin. When AC:Brotherhood started getting framey and they said that BF3 would be considerably less awesome on console, I was ready.

Whatever happens, I hope we are able to measure the capabilities of the new console in units of taped together Gamecubes.

Blind_Evil wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

- I fear a Wii 2 kickstarting the next generation. I'm happy with everything that's out now. I don't want or need a better 360 right now. Better games maybe, but not a better 360.

I'm ready for the next generation to begin. When AC:Brotherhood started getting framey and they said that BF3 would be considerably less awesome on console, I was ready.

At this point, though, we're literally talking about bumping up the hardware when it comes to the 360. The 360 is already fairly intuitive and easy to use. I don't want them to change the controller or the interface just because. At a certain point I'm just going to buy a gaming PC on jump on the hamster wheel I have some measure of control over.

Seems like good timing to me. If they produce something as powerfull as either the 360 or PS3 with the addition of more ram, it would probably significantly outperform either console. Nintendo could probably sell it for a profit out of the door, and may upset the plans of Sony and MS who both probably would rather wait several years before launching new consoles.

Wakim wrote:

Seems like good timing to me. If they produce something as powerfull as either the 360 or PS3 with the addition of more ram, it would probably significantly outperform either console. Nintendo could probably sell it for a profit out of the door, and may upset the plans of Sony and MS who both probably would rather wait several years before launching new consoles.

If it comes out and is only marginally more powerful (because of ram) than the 360 or PS3 than it will have already failed.

I think with today's tech they could build something much faster and with more ram for a pretty decent price so I expect that is what will happen. I assume Nintendo will continue to make money off of console sales so I don't expect anything bleeding edge as far as power, but they don't need it to be.

I sure as hell hope 3D isn't a selling feature but I fully expect it will be. I am not sure if there will be any other gimmick that sets the console apart but I am looking forward to finding out what Nintendo's next move is.

Ooh, are we playing the unsubstantiated predictions game again? I'll bite.

No-brainers:

Full backwards compatibility with Wii games. No GCN compatibility. Only partial support for Wii Virtual Console and Wiiware; they can set up a system to transfer over first-party Nintendo stuff easily enough (although I'm betting on some pretty strict limitations for how often you can transfer and in what direction), but something tells me they didn't necessarily make the ability to do so with third-party software part of the standard contract to get on the console, which may lead to some rights issues rearing their ugly head if certain third parties balk.

I'm betting on an online infrastructure that still feels pretty barebones even compared to the current state of Xbox Live or PSN. They OUGHT to be able to get a full unified system-level friends list down by now (as I understand they have with the 3DS, albeit still with friend codes), but I'll be surprised if there's a standard headset at launch or anything like XBL's party system. On the bright side, it'll probably still be free.

Specs-wise, I'll be surprised if it's less powerful than the current HD consoles, and very surprised if it's any more powerful than the "PS360 1.5" estimate. More memory and a multicore proc is a no-brainer. Quad-core seems to be the sweet spot, unless they use an 8- or 16-core chip that can do double-duty as the GPU. Otherwise, they'll probably stick with ATI for the GPU to make backwards-compatibility easier to do.

As far as storage goes, a hard drive would be nice, but somehow I doubt we'll see even a small one. I think we can expect a gig or two of onboard flash, an SD card slot, and a couple USB ports that everyone speculates will be opened up for external storage even though they never will be except by homebrew hacks.

Slightly more wild-and-wacky predictions:

Games will come on a proprietary disc format with more capacity than DVDs and less than Blu-Rays, probably a variation of the HD-DVD standard. Remember that the advantage to HD-DVD was that DVD manufacturing plants could easily be converted to make HD-DVDs, and that's a cost corner Nintendo will likely want to cut.

While it will have to support Wiimotes for backwards-compatibility purposes, I don't think the standard controller will look much like the Wiimote w/ Motion Plus / Nunchuck combo that we've become accustomed to. What specifically I DO think the controller will look like probably belongs in....

Really wacky out-there predictions:

I'm betting on something that combines dual analog sticks with a small touchscreen, like a cross between a 3DS with the top half chopped off and a Dreamcast controller (remember VMUs?). They'll probably toss a gyroscope in there just for S&G.

At this point, besides the lack of RAM half the performance bottleneck in the current HD systems seems to happen, not in the proc or GPU per se, but just in getting the content from either the disc drive or hard drive (in games that require or at least benefit from HDD installation) to the screen. A small SSD-- no more than five or ten gigs-- could really help with that if it were used as basically a big cache.

My prediction is that its more along the lines of AMD Fusion type power... in GPU and CPU... Nintendo will want to go with small, sleek, and cool.. not some huge box with fans going nuts.

I could see that; anything that makes for a smaller, cooler, and less power-intensive box is likely to be a plus in Nintendo's book. My only question would be whether such CPU/GPU combo chips are likely to act similarly enough to traditional architecture to be easy for developers to adjust to. Sony tried to get creative with the Cell and it kind of shot them in the foot for years until devs got used to it. I'm really not knowledgeable enough about such things to know whether the AMD Fusion (or something similar) is likely to have the same problem.

I'm in the middle about this "rumor." My Nintendo fan side is super excited; but on the other hand.... I have a feeling this could be a ploy.

If nothing else, Nintendo is trying to remind Sony and MS that there is still a "game" to be played. Although Nintendo is "announcing" their new console, I have a feeling they are trying to get Sony and MS to rush the release of their consoles, and then come out with something that will take people by surprise--but a success.

I'm going to guess the new console will be backwards compatible, and hopefully go back to the Gamecube too. And then that they'll improve upon the online and the moving of DLC.

I'll toss out another prediction: I don't care what Captain Anonymous Source says, the new console will have a gimmick. I don't know if it's what I theorized above (a touchscreen on the controller) or something else, but Nintendo knows full well why most of the people who buy their stuff buy their stuff, and it's because they keep delivering something new and shiny and wow-worthy (if arguably short on long-term appeal).

Note that I don't necessarily think a new gimmick is a bad thing, nor does it mean that a new console wouldn't be able to deliver on other fronts as well. I just think it's a necessary thing for it to sell.

hbi2k wrote:

I'll toss out another prediction: I don't care what Captain Anonymous Source says, the new console will have a gimmick. I don't know if it's what I theorized above (a touchscreen on the controller) or something else, but Nintendo knows full well why most of the people who buy their stuff buy their stuff, and it's because they keep delivering something new and shiny and wow-worthy (if arguably short on long-term appeal).

Note that I don't necessarily think a new gimmick is a bad thing, nor does it mean that a new console wouldn't be able to deliver on other fronts as well. I just think it's a necessary thing for it to sell.

Totally with you there.

If you look at Nintendo's history, they'd be fools not to trot it out there without a feature or two that you can't get anywhere else. The Gamecube was marketed and developed as a strictly-for-gamers console. It was their last gimmick-free system, and also their last failure.

One spot where they really need more expertise is thinking through how to integrate network functionality. Only Microsoft really gets that right, at the moment. Sony .... well, I guess "barely suffices" works. Nintendo's stuff is just outright incompetent.

MannishBoy wrote:

That's why I think this next cycle will be the same basic architecture, just more of it. Backwards compatibility will be much better if that's the case.

I'm still amused that so many people touted the PS2 and early PS3 models with all the backwards compatibility being so much better than Nintendo. And now for the last few years, Nintendo's systems (DS and Wii) are the only ones with full backwards compatibility (GBA and GCN).

But yeah, Nintendo's lack of online infrastructure is really going to be interesting going forward. How are they going to transfer VC/WiiWare purchases forward to a new machine or are they at all? I still haven't bought a single purchase for my Wii because of it being tied to the console and me not really owning it. Sure Sony might screw me when I want to port PSN titles to the PS4 down the road, but at least they have the ability to keep my account linked with my purchases, so I've bought some stuff there already.

Ah well, E3 should be very interesting now.

hbi2k wrote:

Games will come on a proprietary disc format with more capacity than DVDs and less than Blu-Rays, probably a variation of the HD-DVD standard. Remember that the advantage to HD-DVD was that DVD manufacturing plants could easily be converted to make HD-DVDs, and that's a cost corner Nintendo will likely want to cut.

That sounds exactly like something they'd do, yes.

Man, going from the Wii being a shiny piece of furniture to playing it feverishly late last year to it collecting dust this Spring to being super excited about the next thing...I think I want a more steady relationship than this, Nintendo. I was told to not stick it in the crazy.

TheGameguru wrote:

My prediction is that its more along the lines of AMD Fusion type power... in GPU and CPU... Nintendo will want to go with small, sleek, and cool.. not some huge box with fans going nuts.

This sounds about right to me.

I also like what hbi2k is thinking about with the HDVD/proprietary format theme. I think we're about meeting the limits of fitting things onto DVD and in this case, the 360 is actually holding some games back.... though there are the odd few games that come on more than one DVD.

Hopefully this is true, I never picked up a Wii this generation even when I was a supporter on the concept before it came out, was going to give it some time and a price drop, but kind of lost interest, (still wanted to play xenoblade but it isn't even out), I will probably get the Wii 2 day 1 if it has backward compatibility with Wii games.

Nintendo is going to announce this thing officially this month and then show it at E3

There are also rumors now that the controller will have a HD touchscreen.

Console gaming just got interesting again! I can't wait for E3!

Wii 2 'not just a HD upgrade', says Reggie

Nintendo America boss Reggie Fils-Aime says the next Nintendo console, Wii 2 if you like, will not simply be about introducing a HD upgrade, but adding more new capability to its gaming offerings.

"Over 26 million consumers have bought a Wii, so the consumer is saying that, for them, the quality of the visual is not nearly as important as the overall entertainment - the overall value of that experience and that's really what's propelled us," Fils-Aime said during a video interview with CNBC.

"In terms of what the future holds, we've gone on record to say that the next step for Nintendo in home console will not be to simply make it HD, but to add more and more capability," he added.

"We'll do that when we totally tapped out all of the experiences for the existing Wii and we are nowhere near doing that yet, so lots of ongoing opportunity for the consumer in the current generation."

"Capability"?