New Nintendo console to be announced at E3.

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From GameInformer.

Yes it's HD, and Nintendo is going to work more closely with Third Parties.

We have confirmed with multiple sources that this new home system is capable of running games at HD resolutions. There are conflicting reports, however, as to whether its graphics will be comparable to those on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 – meaning it could surpass or fall short of those systems. Either way it will offer competitive specifications. Moving to HD should greatly help Nintendo and its new console in getting more multi-platform triple-A titles like Portal 2 or Mortal Kombat. This, in turn, will strengthen Nintendo's historically poor relationship with third-party publishers/developers.

In fact, Nintendo is already showing publishers the system in an effort to get them interested and allow them plenty of time to start developing titles in anticipation of the system's reported late 2012 launch. This advance support marks a change from when the Wii launched. At that time, several Western publishers were outright surprised by the announcement, and it affected the software support for the platform.

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata himself acknowledged that it needs to do a better job with its publishing partners at a 3DS press conference in the fall of 2010. "We need to decrease the concern that only Nintendo software can sell well on Nintendo platforms and third-party software cannot sell in the same volume. We feel a need to have closer ties with our third-party developers from the beginning."

"Nintendo is doing this one right," said an anonymous source. "[It's] not a gimmick like the Wii." What else, beyond graphics, this may infer about the system is unknown. What kind of controls the system will support (we imagine a need for both classic analog configurations and motion controllers) or what level of software and infrastructure Nintendo will provide for online gaming is also unknown. However, it's a positive sign that the system might be more than just an HD Wii.

Good deal.

I sat out on Wii this gen., but I'm willing to keep an open mind on its successor.

The Wii is still my favorite console of this generation, and I'll be in line to buy whatever Nintendo follows it up with.

Nintendo generally innovates and then iterates when it comes to their home consoles.

NES --> SNES
N64 --> Gamecube
Wii --> ?

However, I hope Nintendo surprises us with something new. A lot of people may call something new a "gimmick" but to me it's Nintendo continuing to push innovation in this industry. They saved the home console industry in the 80's and introduced the D-Pad, then ushered in a new era of 3D on home consoles with the analog stick, showed us that portable gaming was possible and a lot of fun, brought touch gaming to the masses with the DS, introduced motion gaming as a way to break down the barrier of entry and recently brought glasses-less 3D to the masses.

The pattern may point to iteration but I hope they innovate once again.

I don't have a lot of love for the Wii as a platform, but I certainly have no regrets about owning one. It gets enough use in my house to have made it worthwhile.

At my heart, I'm a Nintendo fanboy, and Mrs Jonman is just as much (if not more) a fangirl. Frankly, I can't imagine *not* having a Ninty console in the house.

The anonymous source says that it's not a gimmick like the Wii. Whether that means it's going back to standard controller... control, maybe with some degree of waggle like the Sixaxis, or if it means they've "got it right this time (spoiler: no they haven't)," we'll have to wait and see.

If Nintendo just hits current levels of performance, then the other two release updated consoles a year down the road, they'll again not be on the same level. Releasing something similar in performance to 5 year old platforms would make little sense to me.

But it's all speculation right now. We'll see.

One thing I do know that will be critical in competing on the AAA mutliplatform releases is a usable online service. Nintendo seems dead set on screwing that up every chance they get. It will just get more obvious if they have higher spec hardware where people might start to expect to play more multiplayer games.

LobsterMobster wrote:

The anonymous source says that it's not a gimmick like the Wii. Whether that means it's going back to standard controller... control, maybe with some degree of waggle like the Sixaxis, or if it means they've "got it right this time (spoiler: no they haven't)," we'll have to wait and see.

How hilarious would it be if MS/Sony tried playing catch-up with Nintendo's Blue Ocean success and released their next consoles with motion controls exclusively while Nintendo turned around and released Wii 2 with standard control pads?

One thing I do know that will be critical in competing on the AAA mutliplatform releases is a usable online service. Nintendo seems dead set on screwing that up every chance they get. It will just get more obvious if they have higher spec hardware where people might start to expect to play more multiplayer games.

They've made a point in recent presentations to admit that their online platforms need work and to specifically name-check Xbox Live as their most successful competitor in that area. The multiplayer integration on the 3DS isn't perfect, but it's far ahead of what the Wii and DS offered.

In short, I think Nintendo knows they need to play catch up in the online space and are working hard on that.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

In short, I think Nintendo knows they need to play catch up in the online space and are working hard on that.

I think Sony also knows they need to catch up, but as of yet, still haven't quite gotten there. They're working on it, but Nintendo is coming from near zero, much farther behind than Sony.

It's not an easy thing.

BNice wrote:

NES --> SNES
N64 --> Gamecube
Wii --> ?

Clearly the missing link is:

Wii --> w00t!

It'll be interesting to see how it integrates with the 3DS, ala PS3/PSP.

MannishBoy wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

In short, I think Nintendo knows they need to play catch up in the online space and are working hard on that.

I think Sony also knows they need to catch up, but as of yet, still haven't quite gotten there. They're working on it, but Nintendo is coming from near zero, much farther behind than Sony.

It's not an easy thing.

Yes, but this is also an opportunity to start over from scratch rather than having to build upon and improve an existing service, as Sony has had to do.

Aaron D. wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:

The anonymous source says that it's not a gimmick like the Wii. Whether that means it's going back to standard controller... control, maybe with some degree of waggle like the Sixaxis, or if it means they've "got it right this time (spoiler: no they haven't)," we'll have to wait and see.

How hilarious would it be if MS/Sony tried playing catch-up with Nintendo's Blue Ocean success and released their next consoles with motion controls exclusively while Nintendo turned around and released Wii 2 with standard control pads?

And I'd just wait for all the Nintendo fans to proclaim it as the best thing in the world.

LobsterMobster wrote:

The anonymous source says that it's not a gimmick like the Wii.

Sony snd MS wish that they could have a console "gimmick" that sells like the Wii has sold.

Lifetime Wii sales - 84.6 million
Lifetime 360 Sales - 50 million
Lifetime PS3 sales - 47.9 million

Also, doesn't Nintendo actually make a profit off of the Wii, whereas the 360 and PS3 are sold at a loss??

mudbunny wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:

The anonymous source says that it's not a gimmick like the Wii.

Sony snd MS wish that they could have a console "gimmick" that sells like the Wii has sold.

Lifetime Wii sales - 84.6 million
Lifetime 360 Sales - 50 million
Lifetime PS3 sales - 47.9 million

Also, doesn't Nintendo actually make a profit off of the Wii, whereas the 360 and PS3 are sold at a loss??

I'm starting to have less faith in sales figures, especially when it comes to products designed to appeal to "non-gamers." Kinect also sold a truly obscene number of units, enough to match its truly obscene marketing budget. Oprah sold the damn thing.

So sure, they sold a ton of units. I'm not really sure what that actually means anymore.

Scratched wrote:

And I'd just wait for all the Nintendo fans to proclaim it as the best thing in the world.

Don't remind me.

When Wii launched, control pads were suddenly archaic and boring to some.

In a post 3DS world, I've recently heard proclamations that 2D gaming is the same.

True story.

Probably Wii HD

Elycion wrote:
BNice wrote:

NES --> SNES
N64 --> Gamecube
Wii --> ?

Clearly the missing link is:

Wii --> w00t!

Would be cool, but I am guessing it's going to be a boring Wii HD (name wise)

mudbunny wrote:

Also, doesn't Nintendo actually make a profit off of the Wii, whereas the 360 and PS3 are sold at a loss??

360's have been selling at a profit since Nov. 2006.

PS3 has been in the black for about a year.

I just want something that will let me play Mario and Zelda games. Preferably with a Super Nintendo controller.

Aaron D. wrote:
mudbunny wrote:

Also, doesn't Nintendo actually make a profit off of the Wii, whereas the 360 and PS3 are sold at a loss??

360's have been selling at a profit since Nov. 2006.

PS3 has been in the black for about a year.

Ahh, thanks!!

ClockworkHouse wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

In short, I think Nintendo knows they need to play catch up in the online space and are working hard on that.

I think Sony also knows they need to catch up, but as of yet, still haven't quite gotten there. They're working on it, but Nintendo is coming from near zero, much farther behind than Sony.

It's not an easy thing.

Yes, but this is also an opportunity to start over from scratch rather than having to build upon and improve an existing service, as Sony has had to do.

Its an interesting problem.. Sony's biggest issue was higher ups couldnt justify resources for PSN simply because they couldnt tie it to a profit center.. and there wasn't enough vision at Sony to say that a robust online service would indirectly sell more xyz. Microsoft doesn't have this problem as the revenue from Xbox Live was clear and easy to track.. and thus the ROI was much easier to prove and thus get Executives to devote resources to.

I wonder if the new Zelda title will 'slip' in delivery and become one of the launch titles for this new system...

Now THAT would be a day one purchase for me, no question about it. I feel bad that I don't have a Wii in the house. PS3, I can take or leave, but part of me feels like I've missed out 'slightly' by not having a current 'N' machine in the house.

My only hope is that the new console will keep up the trend of being backwardly compatible, (at least one generation, please Nintendo) so I can grab the handful of gems I can't justify buying the current platform for.

BNice wrote:

NES --> SNES
N64 --> Gamecube
Wii --> ?

Wii -> Butt?

I misread this originally as they'd release something late this year. By late 2012, I almost expect to have a new MS console as well. I know they keep talking about the 360 being a 10 year platform, but I think they'll follow the PS2 strategy and have both high and low end platforms.

One thing I'm wondering, will this start an arms race with MS/Sony rushing their consoles out. Lots of people had 'fun' the last time MS tried to rush a console out.

Scratched wrote:

One thing I'm wondering, will this start an arms race with MS/Sony rushing their consoles out. Lots of people had 'fun' the last time MS tried to rush a console out.

I hope not - I love my 360 and am in no rush for a new console. The graphics on new games are all I want, and I don't mind disc swapping when necessary.

What's that, Nintendo? You're releasing a new console with Monster Hunter 4? There's 16-player hunts? You want my $1000? Sure!

E3 can't come soon enough, if only to stop my imagination from spinning.

SallyNasty wrote:
Scratched wrote:

One thing I'm wondering, will this start an arms race with MS/Sony rushing their consoles out. Lots of people had 'fun' the last time MS tried to rush a console out.

I hope not - I love my 360 and am in no rush for a new console. The graphics on new games are all I want, and I don't mind disc swapping when necessary.

I'm seeing more and more developers complaining about what they've got to work with on current hardware. From Epic with their new tech demo to DICE with their Battlefield 3 stuff. For instance, this piece.

I want 64 player Battlefield on both my PC and my console. I want better physics, and I want better AI. All those things are tied to more computing power.

One thing that worries me is if Wii 2 will hold MS and Sony back.

The disparity between Wii and PC/360/PS3 is by and large what kept 3rd party support away from Nintendo's current console. Developers were just not interested in "downgrade development" for Wii when there was a parity in tech between HD platforms and they could simply program games for multi-platform release on PC/PS3/360.

So let's say that Nintendo releases a new console that is technically PS3/360 1.5 . More powerful than 360 and PS3, but less than you would expect from a next-gen Sony and MS console. Imagine that Wii 2 is first out of the gate and has a year head start on PS4 and Xbox 3. With a potentially larger install base than the competition, what's the carrot for developers to invest larger resources for theoretically more powerful hardware on the next Sony and MS console?

Also, what if Nintendo gains a quick and early audience with Wii 2? Will Sony and MS simply decide to "keep up with the Joneses", release PS3 1.5 / Xbox 3 1.5, and just call it a day? What if that's all that the marketplace calls for if Nintendo sets a precedent with a "slightly more powerful PS3"?

This potential Nintendo head start has me a little worried about the fallout in MS and Sony's camp.

Aaron D. wrote:

Also, what if Nintendo gains a quick and early audience with Wii 2? Will Sony and MS simply decide to "keep up with the Joneses", release PS3 1.5 / Xbox 3 1.5, and just call it a day? What if that's all that the marketplace calls for if Nintendo sets a precedent with a "slightly more powerful PS3"?

This potential Nintendo head start has me a little worried about the fallout in MS and Sony's camp.

I think this generation for MS and PS3 will basically be more cores similar to what they're currently running tied to more modern GPUs, with more memory all around. That makes the most sense, and should be a conservative way to quickly up the output of the next gen without near the R&D of last gen.

Just look at what the GPUs have done since the 360 came out. They're way above the Xbox and PS3 level tech, even in the budget ranges these days.

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