Strategy RPG Catch-All

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Also - there's not as much customization in Jeanne D'Arc. In truth, it's an incredible hybrid between a T/SRPG and a straight up JRPG.

I think it has nice cut scenes, but its gameplay is definitely, ah, simple. Not a terrible game at all, but I think it gets more credit than it should nowadays.

garion333 wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

Also - there's not as much customization in Jeanne D'Arc. In truth, it's an incredible hybrid between a T/SRPG and a straight up JRPG.

I think it has nice cut scenes, but its gameplay is definitely, ah, simple. Not a terrible game at all, but I think it gets more credit than it should nowadays.

A bunch of us here belong to a cult in its honor. We are looking for some blood sacrifices, so careful what you say!

...in all seriousness, I'm not sure what it was about that game. I really enjoyed the combat and the story. And the spell unlocking mechanic was totally addictive; Level 5 is really good with those.

Wow. I had as much fun with Tactics Ogre on the GBA as I did with FFTA. I finished it 3 times. Far more hours put into that one game than I put into the whole Fire Emblem series. I loved the story, the soundtrack and even the gameplay. Even if it was more simple.

Blind_Evil wrote:
Dyni wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:

Definitely less spells than FFT and TA, though. For my money Ogre Battle 64 was the best in the series, but it's not the same kind of game. It's more like a simple RTS mixed with SRPG character building mechanics.

Well that's disappointing. I was just coming here to ask if Tactics Ogre was anything like Ogre Battle 64. Are there any SRPGs with a similar formula? I still consider that one of my favorite games ever, which may or may not be nostalgia clouding my judgment. Maybe I'll grab it on the Wii VC sometime and find out.

I don't know of any except the original on SNES, which is also on VC. The Tactics Ogre series was a spin-off meant to ape Nintendo's Fire Emblem games IIRC, and FFT is their direct successor (same team and all).

I did pick up Ogre Battle 64 and it is pretty slow-moving for my tastes nowadays, even with the battle speed set to fast. I guess I should turn of battle animations or something.

I do recall the game picking up once you have more units under your command (I remember the variety of character types and difficulty unlocking them being the best part of the game), but I don't think I can tough it out til that point, especially with my ever-expanding pile of things to play.

I just watched a tiny bit on youtube to refresh my memory, and it does look very slow. Perhaps I should leave it alone and preserve my nostalgia. I really enjoyed the game for the reasons you mentioned, but I also remember it having a surprisingly good story. If they ever allow VC downloads for handhelds, I may pick it up there.

First review I have seen of the english version of Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling like toilet paper.

They give it an 8.5 great.

Personally I love the type of game so I will be picking it up.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
garion333 wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

Also - there's not as much customization in Jeanne D'Arc. In truth, it's an incredible hybrid between a T/SRPG and a straight up JRPG.

I think it has nice cut scenes, but its gameplay is definitely, ah, simple. Not a terrible game at all, but I think it gets more credit than it should nowadays.

A bunch of us here belong to a cult in its honor. We are looking for some blood sacrifices, so careful what you say!

...in all seriousness, I'm not sure what it was about that game. I really enjoyed the combat and the story. And the spell unlocking mechanic was totally addictive; Level 5 is really good with those.

Actually, now that you mention Level 5, I think I just don't like their games (excluding Layton). They have a certainly quality to them that bores me rather easily. I was somewhat scared when I learned they were doing Ni no Kuni. Won't stop me from buying that day 1 as it looks beautiful.

Aaaaaanyway. I'm stoked for Tactics Ogre as I preordered it. I would've rather bought it as a download (I do so hate physical media anymore), but the Tarot card preorder bonus and all around sweet looking art made me interested in the physical package. So, I can report back next week about how I think it works as a modern day game.

Same here. Picked up a PSP yesterday. Playing Jeanne D'Arc right now. We'll see how Tactics Ogre is.

DSGamer wrote:

Same here. Picked up a PSP yesterday.

The saga continues!

Seriously, there isn't a icon that really does this justice.

I hope you know I love ya, man.

Not to thread-jack, but does anyone know of any western-style, PC-based strategy RPGs worth checking out that are newer than, say, X-Com, JA1/2, and Silent Storm?

Subscribing.

I think I'm just a stupid graphics whore 'cause I look at Tactics Ogre: LUTC and think, "Man, that just looks like a SNES game!". It's such a turn-off, personally.

After playing Jeanne d'Arc (heart), Vakyria Chronicles (PS3), Valkyria Chronicles 2 (PSP), it's just hard to go back so far on a technical presentation level.

I'm sure the new Tactics Ogre is great and all, but man, couldn't they have tried a little harder to bring it up to modern standards visually?

I'm glad it's not in 3d on a handheld, honestly. I just don't think 3d looks all that good on handhelds, so I'm happy for 2d pixels. Then again, they only did portraits for the characters (which look great), but just one portrait per character. Meh.

Yeah, I much prefer 2D pixel art. So I'm excited about the graphical style.

Got an incredible gift from my wife for my birthday this weekend. Was sent on a scavenger hunt that sent me through some of my favorite places. One of those was my local video game store where I got a bunch of credit. With it I purchased Valkyria Chronicles 2. I'm very impressed. I never played the first one as I just never had that kind of time to sit down in front of the PS3. I may have to make that time eventually, though, as this game is amazing. Tactics Ogre has been put on hold for a while.

I can't fault you there. The second game isn't as good as the first strictly from a story standpoint. I also liked the larger battles (one large map instead of multiple small ones) in the original, but I understand the limitations of the PSP. That said, it's still a good game, especially if you didn't play the first. The first is easily one of my favorite of this generation, so the PSP was going to pale in comparison regardless.

And your wife sounds awesome. Good find.

garion333 wrote:

I can't fault you there. The second game isn't as good as the first strictly from a story standpoint. I also liked the larger battles (one large map instead of multiple small ones) in the original, but I understand the limitations of the PSP. That said, it's still a good game, especially if you didn't play the first. The first is easily one of my favorite of this generation, so the PSP was going to pale in comparison regardless.

And your wife sounds awesome. Good find. :P

Funny thing is, that was just a gift along the way to the final gift, a paid-for trip to see U2 / Arcade Fire in Moncton, Canada.

U2 and Arcade Fire are playing together? That seems strange.

garion333 wrote:

U2 and Arcade Fire are playing together? That seems strange.

It's a little music festival. Well, I guess not little now. And Arcade Fire is opening for U2.

DSGamer wrote:

Got an incredible gift from my wife for my birthday this weekend. Was sent on a scavenger hunt that sent me through some of my favorite places.

At the risk of going off-topic, I want to hear more about this!

Tactics Ogre sucked away three hours this evening. Initial impressions are positive, though the menus are annoying and I was expecting more control of the camera than I'm finding. Otherwise I definitely prefer building up classes. You can still personalize a character (I have my dark mage, my earth and water mage, etc.), but so much less grinding so far.

garion333 wrote:

Tactics Ogre sucked away three hours this evening. Initial impressions are positive, though the menus are annoying and I was expecting more control of the camera than I'm finding. Otherwise I definitely prefer building up classes. You can still personalize a character (I have my dark mage, my earth and water mage, etc.), but so much less grinding so far.

So far I really like it. I'm not far enough in to pass judgement on leveling up classes vs. individuals, but as I'm employing that same mechanic in Valkyria Chronicles 2 my resistance to it isn't there any more. I love the graphics. I fell in love with this genre because of FFTA and Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis. And I really like the walking sprite-based characters hand drawn on the screen. So pretty. And it moves so much more fluidly than FFT:WotL. Is it too late to remake that again? My only regret is that even though I love having the disc, etc. I feel like I'll want it installed on my PSP Memory Stick. Same with Valkyria Chronicles 2.

Then my PSP would have, at all times, Jeanne D'Arc, Valkyria Chronicles 2, Disgaea, FFT (original) and Tactics Ogre. That's pretty insane. I loved the GBA for it's SRPGs, but the PSP blows it away. It's sad to look at my GBA shelf and FFTA2 and SMT:Devil Survivor only. So much more epic on the PSP.

Hack your PSP and rip your UMDs to your memory stick, right? It's the only way to play.

Gungnir was just announced in Famitsu this week. It comes from Sting (Knights in the Nightmare, Yggdra Union) and (surprise) it's another srpg on the PSP. Sounds good to me so far. Sting continues to find ways to innovate the genre, even if they're not always successful at creating good/great games. According to Neogaf this will be the 9th entry in the Department Heaven series, which means it's the same team that did the aforementioned games.

Okay, this is getting ridiculous. I started buying PSN games about a year and a half ago. Since I got my current PSP for Christmas it's firmly entrenched itself in my life. This time for good. In fact, it's now the game system I play the most. I was very back and forth on the PSP for a long time. Wishy washy at best, as I'm known to be. In large part I think this was because the UMDs drained battery life and thus made the PSP feel less portable. Also, carrying around a case with UMDs made it feel less portable. Now I have a PSP with a 16GB Memory Stick jammed with games and it feels like the best portable ever. Plus the whole thing fits in a slip case or my pocket. My list of PSN games has exploded. I own...

Castlevania: Dracula X Chronicles
Castlevania: SotN (PS1)
Disgaea
Final Fantasy Tactics (PS1)
God of War: Chains of Olympus
GTA: Chinatown Wars
GTA: Vice City Stories
Hot Shots Golf
Jeanne D'Arc
Little Big Planet
Patapon
Super Stardust Portable
Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together
Valkyria Chronicles II

In that list alone there are 5 of my favorite SRPGs ever. Kind of insane. Then there's Gungnir, Phantom Brave just released and on top of all of that Valkyria Chronicles 3 is apparently out in Japan. Since I love SRPGs the PSP may end up becoming my favorite system ever now that it's sans-UMDs. I may never get the NGP or 3DS at this rate.

DSGamer wrote:

Okay, this is getting ridiculous. I started buying PSN games about a year and a half ago. Since I got my current PSP for Christmas it's firmly entrenched itself in my life. This time for good. In fact, it's now the game system I play the most. I was very back and forth on the PSP for a long time. Wishy washy at best, as I'm known to be. In large part I think this was because the UMDs drained battery life and thus made the PSP feel less portable. Also, carrying around a case with UMDs made it feel less portable. Now I have a PSP with a 16GB Memory Stick jammed with games and it feels like the best portable ever. Plus the whole thing fits in a slip case or my pocket. My list of PSN games has exploded. I own...

Castlevania: Dracula X Chronicles
Castlevania: SotN (PS1)
Disgaea
Final Fantasy Tactics (PS1)
God of War: Chains of Olympus
GTA: Chinatown Wars
GTA: Vice City Stories
Hot Shots Golf
Jeanne D'Arc
Little Big Planet
Patapon
Super Stardust Portable
Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together
Valkyria Chronicles II

In that list alone there are 5 of my favorite SRPGs ever. Kind of insane. Then there's Gungnir, Phantom Brave just released and on top of all of that Valkyria Chronicles 3 is apparently out in Japan. Since I love SRPGs the PSP may end up becoming my favorite system ever now that it's sans-UMDs. I may never get the NGP or 3DS at this rate.

See if Certis will change your handle to PSPGamer

I still have my Castlevania: SotN (PS1) Disk from my PS1. How do I get it onto my PSP?

This seems a suitable location...

That tickles my Manly Fancy and no mistake

Disgaea 1 is coming to Android for free. http://j.mp/m2OIyZ

We also have a Disgaea 4 catchall, but this too is an appropriate place.

Edit: Good lord they've packed that game with more than I realized. Nice.

"Take a dump on the face of common sense!"

That may just be the funniest damn line of narration I've ever heard. They really, REALLY need to bring Disgaea 4 to multiple platforms.

Edwin wrote:

Disgaea 1 is coming to Android for free. http://j.mp/m2OIyZ

Shut the front door! To Android, though? Poop. Bring that over to iPhone!

In related news, I've decided I'm only interested in more of this style game if it's on iPhone. I think I'm done with DSes and PSPs. They would have to put some crazy must-have on the new generation to get me to buy another portable.