Strategy RPG Catch-All

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EDIT: Changed to an SRPG Catch-All with the release of Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together around the corner

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I was going to create a thread for Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon to discuss that game, possible future Fire Emblems on the DS, etc., but I figured I'd expand this to all strategy games so I could get a sampling of what I missed and what's actually good.

I was a huge FFTA fan, but FFTA2 seems to have largely gotten a big "meh". I was curious about the experience of others in that regard.

The first Fire Emblem (Shadow Dragon is a remake of the first game in the series) is a strange monkey. I enjoy it because it's Fire Emblem, but it's really rough. You can reclass anyone in your party save Marth. Meaning there's no straight path from one class to the next. You can simply change the class of all your characters on a whim during the preparation screen. I haven't gotten far enough into the game to find out if there are any ramifications to this. I'm guessing not. There doesn't seem to be that complexity like in FFTA where using a certain class will cause you to develop in the direction of classes like that one. Even so, it's still fun. It's still Fire Emblem. I bought it in part to do my part to encourage Nintendo to keep these games coming.

I luuuurve me some tactical RPGs - Shadow Dragon is the first Fire Emblem that I've been nonplussed by, and I say that as someone who's not played it. The writeups and reviews of it really didn't appeal to me at all. It sounds too far removed from the Fire Emblem that I know and love - I've played both GBA versions, the GC one and recently started in on Radiant Dawn. I decided to take the plunge with Radiant Dawn, and started my first playthrough on Hard difficulty, and I can report that it's damn punishing! In a "please sir, may I have another" kind of way, not a bad way.:lol:

My one gripe with Radiant Dawn is that it requires me to sit down in front of a TV to play it. Tactical RPGs are so well suited to a portable platform, that it seems a retrograde step to load one up on a console.

With FFTA2, I'm really enjoying it. Loved the first one, and this one too. I'd still be playing it if Disgaea hadn't welded itself into my DS, and I fully intend on getting back to it, once I get done with Disgaea in 2012 or whenever.

I've been reading that the DS release of EndWar is actually very, very good. And it's turn-based.

Wow. Is the DS version of Disgaea that good? I imagine that's the kind of game I'd prefer on the PSP because of the screen size, etc.

Age of Empires: Age of Kings DS - I had a blast playing through that game. More strategy and not much of a RPG, but it's the only decent strategy game i've played on the DS since Fire Emblem.

I know it's not DS, but I still play a lot of GBA games on my DS - Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis is still my favorite strategy RPG of all time.

I have both Age of Empires games for the DS. Both are great and have some differences in mechanics that mean that you get a slightly different experience depending on which you play. Also, Civilization Revolution is very strong. I'll have to look into some of these other games you're talking about.

mrwynd wrote:

Age of Empires: Age of Kings DS - I had a blast playing through that game. More strategy and not much of a RPG, but it's the only decent strategy game i've played on the DS since Fire Emblem.

There is a sequel, AoE: Age of Mythologies, that is has more unit types and is more polished. I'm really enjoying it so far.

EvilDead wrote:
mrwynd wrote:

Age of Empires: Age of Kings DS - I had a blast playing through that game. More strategy and not much of a RPG, but it's the only decent strategy game i've played on the DS since Fire Emblem.

There is a sequel, AoE: Age of Mythologies, that is has more unit types and is more polished. I'm really enjoying it so far.

thanks! Going to check that out.

If you're looking for a more hardcore strategy game on the DS, Panzer Tactics is perfect. On the front it may look like just a hex based advance wars clone, but the structure and numbers behind the actual game are much closer to a classical wargame than other console strategy games. Definite pickup if you like WW2 strategy.

Farscry wrote:

I've been reading that the DS release of EndWar is actually very, very good. And it's turn-based. :D

Both it and the PSP version are pretty good. Not much more than your basic rock/paper/scissors strategy game, but they're serviceable if you're just looking for something to carry around.

I played all the GBA games. So that's well worn ground. Finished FFTA, both Fire Emblems, Tactics Ogre, Onimusha Tactics (yes, even that) and Advance Wars 1 and 2.

Wow. Lots of good suggestions. It's nice coming back to a platform and there being a backlog. I'll check out End War and both Age of Empires games. I was wondering about Mythologies. It was one of the many things I saw the other day that got me excited (along with Fire Emblem and Advance Wars: Days of Ruin) when I decided it was safe to look at the DS section again.

I have only played one Strategy Rpg on the DS and that was FFTA:A2. I was completely hooked to this game and struggled to put it down for any significant amount of time until I had completed it. That was nearly 12 months ago now, and I still havent played another. I have been meaning to pick up Disgaea DS for a while now though.

Man, Fire Emblem is turning out to be a bust. I know it's a remake and everything, but it's dumb simple and way too many characters. What was Nintendo thinking?

DSGamer wrote:

Man, Fire Emblem is turning out to be a bust. I know it's a remake and everything, but it's dumb simple and way too many characters. What was Nintendo thinking?

Same thing Capcom thought when they made Street Fighter 4?

Fire Emblem hadn't yet caught on here, but we never got the games that started the series either. Just the sequels, and sequels to popular games are really just made for the core. So re-releasing the original with a bit of tweaking might be just the thing to try and get the series going.

DSGamer wrote:

Wow. Is the DS version of Disgaea that good? I imagine that's the kind of game I'd prefer on the PSP because of the screen size, etc.

It seems like a perfect fit for the portable platform, doesn't it? I've only played it a bit on a used PS2 copy, but it's something I thought only a bit into it. The small scale, grind focus makes it perfect for the portable play-style.

And I think the DS one might be a bit better. Smaller screen yes. But the PSP screen is also smaller then the TV screen, and the second DS screen can compensate for the portable screen reduction with the map on the top screen so you can get an overview.

I do miss the voices though. And wish the Prinny Commentary wasn't an unlockable but an extra you get from the get go to fiill the void of the wonderfull over-the-topness of the american voice cast that really seemed to get it and have fun with it.

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Now someone gimme a D&D 4e tactics game on the DS. I don't even want some sort of storyline in it or mission structure or what have you; just the tactics game, character creation & customisation and a big stack of encounters to fight through.

Chtulie wrote:

Now someone gimme a D&D 4e tactics game on the DS. I don't even want some sort of storyline in it or mission structure or what have you; just the tactics game, character creation & customisation and a big stack of encounters to fight through.

I'd pay $50 for a DS game like that.

DSGamer wrote:

Wow. Is the DS version of Disgaea that good? I imagine that's the kind of game I'd prefer on the PSP because of the screen size, etc.

As Chtulie said, the ds version is the most complete in terms of unlockables, but the missing voice work sucks. The gameplay is perfect, but some of the charm is missing.

And yes, Fire Emblem Dragon Sword sucks. Sorry you had to find out for yourself.

garion333 wrote:

And yes, Fire Emblem Dragon Sword sucks. Sorry you had to find out for yourself.

So is that just that? Like it never gets better? Because part of me feels like "hey, it looks and feels like Fire Emblem and I like the Advance Wars and Fire Emblem games, so I should like it". And part of me feels like I should bag on it and move on to one of the Age of Empires games instead as this feels like it's going to be one long procession of giant map after giant map with little story, little character development, no real challenge and no real progression of the characters in an RPG sense.

I don't like it because it feels like a step back in terms of gameplay, which is exactly what it is as a remake. I shouldn't have said it sucks, that is a bit harsh, but I was extremely disappointed. I can't tell you if the story keeps you engaged as the game goes on as I only played a few hours before I decided I was more interested in playing something else.

Oh, and I have no idea about AoE, I got bored of that gameplay type a while ago and haven't even looked in that direction.

Bought Age of Empires: Mythologies today. Color me impressed. I've never played an AOE game so I'm quite taken by it so far. I may dump Fire Emblem at this point. What a pleasant surprise. The other game I'm curious about is Civ Rev. How is that?

Jonman wrote:

My one gripe with Radiant Dawn is that it requires me to sit down in front of a TV to play it. Tactical RPGs are so well suited to a portable platform, that it seems a retrograde step to load one up on a console.

Concur. Thus it's a pleasant surprise to come back to the DS and see so many good strategy games. Especially games like Age of Empires that I never got a taste of. Like I said earlier makes me wonder why I should bother with FE:SD. What about FFTA2? Is that worth it or is it just more of the same? I dumped over 200 hours into FFTA.

DSGamer wrote:

Wow. Is the DS version of Disgaea that good? I imagine that's the kind of game I'd prefer on the PSP because of the screen size, etc.

The screen size of the DS version is totally fine. What really sets it apart from other ports is the map on the top screen. Not because you'd need map per se, but in battles with Geo Symbols it saves so much time. And also, it sucks up a lot of time being portable.

EDIT: Also, I'd love a Tactics Ogre game for the DS.

wanderingtaoist wrote:

EDIT: Also, I'd love a Tactics Ogre game for the DS.

Will if you've got a Lite or a Phat there's a most excellent Tactics Ogre released for the GBA.

DSGamer wrote:

The other game I'm curious about is Civ Rev. How is that?

It's great . . . if you like Civ games. It's not quite as deep as the pc versions, but overall a fantastic game. IF you like Civ games.

Chtulie wrote:
wanderingtaoist wrote:

EDIT: Also, I'd love a Tactics Ogre game for the DS.

Will if you've got a Lite or a Phat there's a most excellent Tactics Ogre released for the GBA.

Yes, I have that one (it was actually a PITA to get my hands on Knights of Lodis, but I accomplished that, thanks eBay!). I want more But you're right, I can still replay the old one, it's probably one of the best GBA games ever.

DSGamer wrote:

The other game I'm curious about is Civ Rev. How is that?

I agree, a great game. The only real negative is the lack of a Civilopedia. If you're not familiar with the tech tree, you're going to be winging it.

Nobody has mentioned Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings, but you might not like it. It is a fairly simple game (by genre standards) to cross over to people like me; you can't micromanage too much. I adored it though.

garion333 wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

The other game I'm curious about is Civ Rev. How is that?

It's great . . . if you like Civ games. It's not quite as deep as the pc versions, but overall a fantastic game. IF you like Civ games.

D-Man777 wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

The other game I'm curious about is Civ Rev. How is that?

I agree, a great game. The only real negative is the lack of a Civilopedia. If you're not familiar with the tech tree, you're going to be winging it.

Both of these are great points. I didn't like this game for the 360 because if I'm going to sit down and play Civ, I want to play a full-blown Civ game. For the DS it is perfect - except for the lack of information. The manual that comes with the game is lacking, too, but there is a really good 65 page pdf version of a manual on the CivRev page. Also, there are no patches for the DS version. I found the game at Gamespot for 15 bucks, 100% worth it.

I picked up CivRev from BestBuy.com for $13. I think I'll play that one first as I do miss Civ.

All this talk of classic GBA tactical RPG's has me itching to go back and finish FFTA and pick up the Tactics Ogre game on the GBA. But before I do, I want to ask what everyone's preferred method of playing GBA games is.

I actually prefer playing on my GBA SP2 than on DS. The cart poking out of the bottom really annoys me, and I just traded in my DS Lite for the DSi anyway. But I hear the screen is better on the Micro, is this true? I've looked on eBay and it seems like the Micro Anniversary edition is selling for about $100.

I would play them on the SP2, personally. I think the SP2 is REALLY comfortable. Especially compared to the DS. The screen on the Micro is smaller, so I personally prefer the SP2. You definitely should play Tactics Ogre. That game is brilliant and actually has a decent story and a somewhat moving loving story. Yes, I said that. I played it through 3 or 4 times. I really wish we could see more Tactics Ogre games and less FFTAs. But that's just me.

Actually, I kind of went on a mini-binge. BestBuy.com is selling these games from their outlet at cheap prices. Civ Rev for $13. FFTA2 for $26 or something like that. So I ordered both and I'll give them all a try. Something about that sub-$30 (nevermind sub-$60) price point that makes them more appealing.

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