NFL 2011 - Pre-Draft Thread

Time for Danimal's man crush to increase ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... lift off!

garion333 wrote:

Time for Danimal's man crush to increase ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... lift off!

Nope, that's expected. It's what he did in the offseason last year, spending huge chunks of time at One Buc Place working out and watching film. While I certainly expect him to backslide a bit this year in how well he plays (largely because it would be hard to play better than he did the second half of the season last year), Freeman's shown the kind of work ethic that leads me to believe he'll keep playing at a high level. You know, watching film in the offseason instead of appearing in endless commercials or, say, banging 17-year-olds.

Ray Rice hiding out in Mexico.
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The Ravens' poncho is less silly than the Ray Lewis Snuggie.

Phew. No matter what, there will be Madden.

Rat Boy wrote:

Phew. No matter what, there will be Madden.

Bah. I was hoping there'd be no game and then next year the NFL would give the license back to 2k Sports. Competition is a good thing.

NBA 2k is so far above NBA Live that Live doesn't even exist anymore. I can see the same happening to the football game in just 2 iterations without much trouble. The being a better game part, not crushing the competition into oblivion.

Stele wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Phew. No matter what, there will be Madden.

Bah. I was hoping there'd be no game and then next year the NFL would give the license back to 2k Sports. Competition is a good thing.

Yeah, I was bummed yesterday when I heard the NFL extended the exclusivity agreement and today I was bummed that EA is still gonna put out a Madden product. I know they need the money and all, but I'd much rather they took two years to develop a game instead of the 12 month cycle they're on.

Rummy thinks the Raiders are evil. Well, he'd know.

Man, this thread is dead. Short of Felicia Day or the Dead Island trailer, here's another Dan Snyder story, this time focusing on his press secretary, Tony Kornheiser.

OK, thread is dead. Then it needs . . . pointless discussion!

Thoughts on this year's HOF class? Deion and Marshall Faulk are about as much of no-brainers as I think you can have; they're two of the best ever at their position and I can't imagine there was anything resembling debate about them going in on the first ballot. I'm OK with Sharpe; he was a massive threat for years, has the numbers, has rings. I give a big "meh" to Richard Dent; he never seemed utterly dominant to me, and had the fortune to play for Buddy Ryan, who was creative enough scheme-wise that he could really put players in the perfect position. I'm a fan of Sabol getting in; it's not the "hall of players and coaches". Don't know enough about Richter and Hanburger to say.

Given my pick of the five "normal" candidates, I'd have taken Deion, Faulk, Sabol, Dermontti Dawson, and Willie Roaf.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Thoughts on this year's HOF class?

Big thumbs up to Ed Sabol going in. Looking forward to his son getting the same treatment in his time. The value of the work of NFL Films cannot be overstated. It is an incredibly precious part of NFL culture. I wish there was an NHL Films to indoctrinate me into hockey history the way NFL Films has so richly done to me for the years of football before my birth.

Big thumbs down to no Cortez Kennedy.
Big thumbs down to no Willie Roaf.
Big thumbs down to no Dermontti Dawson.
In general, I hate seeing second-tier stat guys going in over first-tier big men. Although that applies a bit more to the past few years than this year.

No problems with Deion or Faulk, they are first-tier at their positions, not second-tier.
Sharpe too. I mean, in terms of the pass-catching TE mold, it's hard to say Sharpe isn't first-tier in that group. But he could have waited some more.

Dent, I would not put in ahead of the three big men i listed above.

Richter played in the '50s, which is before even my NFL Films viewing time. However, he is from Fresno so that means BIG THUMBS UP!
Hanburger was an elite player as a non-glamorous position (4-3 OLB in the '60s). I'm good with him.

The NFL and the player's union have agreed to mediation. *crosses fingers*

Colts cut Bob Sanders, reducing their weekly injury report list by 1.

*Legion* wrote:

Colts cut Bob Sanders, reducing their weekly injury report list by 1.

In the last three seasons Sanders has played in nine regular-season games and missed 39.

Wow. Didn't realize it was quite that many.

garion333 wrote:

The NFL and the player's union have agreed to mediation. *crosses fingers*

It's a good step. A mediator will cut through the bullsh*t arguing and get to the heart of the matter, but both sides are still miles apart on the issues.

*Legion* wrote:

Colts cut Bob Sanders, reducing their weekly injury report list by 1.

And upping the number of players wanting to take whatever deal the league gives them by one.

*Legion* wrote:

Big thumbs up to Ed Sabol going in. Looking forward to his son getting the same treatment in his time. The value of the work of NFL Films cannot be overstated. It is an incredibly precious part of NFL culture. I wish there was an NHL Films to indoctrinate me into hockey history the way NFL Films has so richly done to me for the years of football before my birth.

Quick aside but the NHL is working on that to an extent. Their deal with youtube and the release of games from the past is a big step in the right direction. They've now made it mandatory for teams participating in the Winter Classic to allow 24/7 to film them.

I'll now allow you to get back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

Rat Boy wrote:
garion333 wrote:

The NFL and the player's union have agreed to mediation. *crosses fingers*

It's a good step. A mediator will cut through the bullsh*t arguing and get to the heart of the matter, but both sides are still miles apart on the issues.

*Legion* wrote:

Colts cut Bob Sanders, reducing their weekly injury report list by 1.

And upping the number of players wanting to take whatever deal the league gives them by one.

Federal mediation is non-binding and was likely agreed to so that both sides can say, "we tried everything" prior to the lockout. Millionaires against Billionaires and neither one realizes the fans don't care about their issues, they want football.

And, more importantly, the almighty Ronde Barber rides again!

And the Broncos sign Champ Bailey for ... four years.

Edit: Front heavy contract. Four years makes more sense then.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

And, more importantly, the almighty Ronde Barber rides again!

He has started every game of every season since 2000, and he started 15 of 16 games in 1999.

Sounds like a solid investment.

He has started every game of every season since 2000, and he started 15 of 16 games in 1999.

That's because he's the morally sound Barber, and karma has his back.

In my theoretically perfect football world (where there is, in fact, football), the Bucs' other young CBs like E.J. Biggers and Myron Lewis really develop this offseason, and Barber can make the move to FS. Tanard Jackson was a stud, but will be coming off a year-long drug suspension and I strongly doubt he'll be back with the team. Playing safety would allow Barber to keep playing even though he's definitely had a drop-off in speed. It's the kind of position in the Tampa 2 where smarts is more important than raw speed (actually, I guess that defines every position in the Tampa 2).

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

It's the kind of position in the Tampa 2 where smarts is more important than raw speed (actually, I guess that defines every position in the Tampa 2).

Except middle linebacker. A middle linebacker in a Tampa 2 needs to have the speed to get depth and defend the gap between the safeties. MLB is the one guy in the back 7 that I want to have above-average foot speed for his position. (Of course, I still want smarts too, but compared to the rest of the defenders at the 2nd and 3rd level, that's the one spot where the scheme demands speed).

In my theoretically perfect football world (where there is, in fact, football), the Bucs' other young CBs like E.J. Biggers and Myron Lewis really develop this offseason, and Barber can make the move to FS. Tanard Jackson was a stud, but will be coming off a year-long drug suspension and I strongly doubt he'll be back with the team. Playing safety would allow Barber to keep playing even though he's definitely had a drop-off in speed. It's the kind of position in the Tampa 2 where smarts is more important than raw speed (actually, I guess that defines every position in the Tampa 2).

I don't know - sounds like the Lawyer Milloy experiment the Seahawks tried this year. That didn't go so well, especially in the NFC divisional game.

Minase wrote:
In my theoretically perfect football world (where there is, in fact, football), the Bucs' other young CBs like E.J. Biggers and Myron Lewis really develop this offseason, and Barber can make the move to FS. Tanard Jackson was a stud, but will be coming off a year-long drug suspension and I strongly doubt he'll be back with the team. Playing safety would allow Barber to keep playing even though he's definitely had a drop-off in speed. It's the kind of position in the Tampa 2 where smarts is more important than raw speed (actually, I guess that defines every position in the Tampa 2).

I don't know - sounds like the Lawyer Milloy experiment the Seahawks tried this year. That didn't go so well, especially in the NFC divisional game.

Milloy's always been a safety, no?

Jags franchise Marcedes Lewis, in a big "no-duh" move. Lewis has been one of the league's top blocking tight ends for the past few years, and this season stepped up and delivered on his receiving potential, too. He was easily the best true, on-the-line-of-scrimmage TE (not H-back or oversized slot receiver "TE") last year. I hope he continues to be that.

Unfortunately, I can't throw a fit about him not getting into the Pro Bowl, because he did, and as a starter, even.

Milloy's always been a safety, no?

Yes, but like Barber he's getting on in years.

Milloy is pretty strictly an in-the-box strong safety. A thumper who's a bit too old to thump. Covering a big open area has never been one of his prize skills.

Barber, I could definitely see him doing the Rod Woodson thing (or, more recently, Troy Vincent) and moving out to free safety for the final years of his career.