Egyptian riots

Robear wrote:

Where in the world do you get this stuff, Dirt?

From Egyptians.

I mean, the world keeps trying to portray some Pharoahs as being black, but even back then, the blacks were the slaves, they could never have been Pharoahs.

Where in the world do you get this stuff, Dirt? The 25th dynasty, which lasted for about a hundred years, was Kush*te. Nubian. Black. The history of Egypt is incredibly complicated and not suited to sweeping statements like "back then the blacks were the slaves". Besides, the ancient Egyptians did not treat slaves in the Greco-Roman way; instead, they were more like serfs or tenant farmers in a medieval European sense. Further, plenty of the pharaohs earned their thrones at the point of a sword, there's no "they could never have been Pharaoh" for *any* group in the area.

You may be surprised to learn that the Pyramids were built by citizen levies. We have found where they lived. We know the names of many of the work gangs, which also served in the temples. We know they ate the best food available (beef) as well as fish and bread. We've found many of their burials. These were skilled people offering service to their religion, not slaves yearning to throw off the yoke.

All of the Southern kingdoms were what you'd call black, and yet they were an integral part of Ancient Egypt, and not second class citizens.

Mubarak is supposed to speak within the next hour (3pm EST).

garion333 wrote:

Mubarak is supposed to speak within the next hour (3pm EST).

Which coincides with my lunch/smoke break. If you read the NFL threads, you'll know that important events tends to happen when I light one up.

Rat Boy wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Mubarak is supposed to speak within the next hour (3pm EST).

Which coincides with my lunch/smoke break. If you read the NFL threads, you'll know that important events tends to happen when I light one up.

Is that why the talks broke down yesterday as you weren't smoking then?

Edit: I'm actually nervous. Crazy.

garion333 wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Mubarak is supposed to speak within the next hour (3pm EST).

Which coincides with my lunch/smoke break. If you read the NFL threads, you'll know that important events tends to happen when I light one up.

Is that why the talks broke down yesterday as you weren't smoking then?

Edit: I'm actually nervous. Crazy.

I'm getting bored. Get on with it!

No sounding like he's stepping down.

garion333 wrote:

No sounding like he's stepping down.

Sounds like he's trying to place himself in opposition to the US, and use that as his excuse for staying in power.

By the way he's talking it sounds like he's not resigning.

Cuing riots in 3, 2, 1...

This is going to get very ugly, very fast. It sounds like the army isn't neutral any more.

Edit: And now it sounds like he's threatening the protesters directly

Some guys just can't take a hint.

That's why Egypt is in such trouble.

Top croney now has "power."

Rat Boy wrote:

Some guys just can't take a hint.

QFT

You could almost replace all his uses of "we" with "I" and it makes more sense.

This could very well be at the request of DC. A power vacuum is the worst situation for Israel. By having Mubarak sit it out until the elections in September, the USA will have more ability to influence what happens.

Dirt wrote:

This could very well be at the request of DC. A power vacuum is the worst situation for Israel. By having Mubarak sit it out until the elections in September, the USA will have more ability to influence what happens.

I doubt it. The reason why Obama backed down in his vocal tone was because the best possible outcome for the US is for this to happen organically, and not with US fingerprints on it. Otherwise, when it's a big ball of sh*t, we'll get blamed for it, even if it takes 50 years to collapse into a big ball of sh*t.

I know the Egyptions want a peaceful transition, but the reality is some people will not give up their power peacefully. King George wouldn't just let the Americans walk because they wanted to. Mubarak isn't going anywhere with his head on his neck.

I pray that the army does the right thing and removes Mubarak.

Very impressed with the coverage by Al Jazeera. That's quite a powder keg out there... all it needs is a spark and things can get very ugly...

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

Tweets and a brief mention on Al Jazeera seem to indicate some of the protesters are marching on the state TV headquarters.

Wow, Calling out Al Jazerra.

But then again, how can US let anything in the world happen without not just having fingerprints on it, but having both hands elbow-deep into the pie?

Robear wrote:

Where in the world do you get this stuff, Dirt?

From Egyptians.

Well, they need to study their history, because they are wrong in this case.

NPR's Planet Money had an interesting podcast on Friday about the Egyptian military that hasn't gotten a lot of mention elsewhere: it controls up to 40% of the Egyptian economy and it's leaders are keenly aware that crushing your customers isn't exactly a smart idea.

Robear wrote:
Robear wrote:

Where in the world do you get this stuff, Dirt?

From Egyptians.

Well, they need to study their history, because they are wrong in this case.

It's their history. They have a right to decide what does and what does not belong. The Kush was a conqueroring power, that means they can be considered non-Egyptian.

Dirt wrote:
Robear wrote:
Robear wrote:

Where in the world do you get this stuff, Dirt?

From Egyptians.

Well, they need to study their history, because they are wrong in this case.

It's their history. They have a right to decide what does and what does not belong.

I didn't realize history was subjective based on region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_I...

It's even called the Third Intermediate Period. Just because a Nubian conquerored some land and proclaimed himself Pharaoh doesn't mean Egyptians must accept them as a true Pharaoh.

DSGamer wrote:

I didn't realize history was subjective based on region.

Of course it is. Every nation makes (up) its own history.

Dirt wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_I...

It's even called the Third Intermediate Period. Just because a Nubian conquerored some land and proclaimed himself Pharaoh doesn't mean Egyptians must accept them as a true Pharaoh.

DSGamer wrote:

I didn't realize history was subjective based on region.

Of course it is. Every nation makes (up) its own history.

I know this happens. But it's up to responsible individuals and historians to try and figure out what objective facts are true.

The most interesting aspect of today's events is that the military supposedly promised that the people were going to hear good news. It makes you wonder if this was a setup by the regime to drive a wedge between the military and protesters.

Rexneron wrote:

That's quite a powder keg out there... all it needs is a spark and things can get very ugly...

I think that's what Mubarak's cronies are hoping for: a legitimate excuse to use force on the protesters.

And really CNN, this is what's on your crawl right now? (Marvel comics SPOILERS)

Spoiler:

"Spider-Man to replace Human Torch on FF [Fantastic Four]"

Rat Boy wrote:
Rexneron wrote:

That's quite a powder keg out there... all it needs is a spark and things can get very ugly...

I think that's what Mubarak's cronies are hoping for: a legitimate excuse to use force on the protesters.

And really CNN, this is what's on your crawl right now? (Marvel comics SPOILERS)

Spoiler:

"Spider-Man to replace Human Torch on FF [Fantastic Four]"

Oh, crap. Time to turn off Al Jazeera and hit the fan blogs.

It's their history. They have a right to decide what does and what does not belong. The Kush was a conqueroring power, that means they can be considered non-Egyptian.

You know, I have relatives who don't want to believe that we're all descended from blacks, or even that we evolved from earlier species. But that does not make them right. If you look at the history of the period, the Kush participated in Egyptian life for thousands of years, as allies and enemies and citizens and priests and rulers. They had the same religion, they had a nearly identical system of government when they were not outright conquered, and they even used Egyptian hieroglyphics for centuries. They drove off the Libyans and Hyksos from the Northern Kingdom as well as the (then united) Central and Southern, benefiting all Egyptians.

Anyway, the whole idea of applying today's prejudices to the past is well debunked. Believe what you like; the historical record won't change.