iPhone 4 and OS 4.X Catch All

It's like The Monolith. In many ways.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

It's hard not to be sold after looking at that photo. I'm just being silly, I sort of sold myself over back when the 3G came out which has been a decent phone. Android is better in quite a few ways than the iPhone OS, but it's hard to argue with the look of that hardware.

I agree in some ways. After using the G1 since November of 08 and the number of games and good apps for it hasnt really increased that much, and after looking at my brothers new Moto Cliq where out of the box it has too many apps running that make it crash, I am not sure its really that good. Apps wise android is far weaker as its not as popular and people just aren't porting the apps in a decent time frame and in more than a few cases not at all. It has mostly the same capabilities in theory, but in practice the apps-mainly games-aren't there.

Hardware, well the iPhone 4.0 raised the bar above anything on the market and above anything that has even been in the rumor mill that I have see. There are a few phones that have rival tech of the 3Gs for the price. Yes with the new iPhone you are taking a risk but so far Apple seems to have learned its lesson about releasing a crappy first gen phone. They learned from the failure that was the iPhone's launch and even more so from the financial fiasco that was the 3G(s)'s-I cant remember- launch and they showed that with the iPad and the staggered release dates for the world.

The only thing many people including myself say that the iPhone 4.0 has going against it is AT&T, which isn't anything new. However for the most part with most iPhone current users that I have talked to and in most areas where the major competition is TMO, they all say that the iPhone is worth it. I do hope that AT&T will change their pricing but I am not holding my breath. I mainly hope in 6 months they don't release an unlocked version of the phone. I will really kick myself in the bum for it if they do. But I also am not going to wait for that to happen since I want an iPhone and figure if I am going to get myself into a 2 year contract, why not go big?

I've never been a huge Apple fan, but I've been playing with a first gen iPhone for the past 6 months (unlocked & jailbroken on t-mobile) and I seriously love that damn thing. I'm finally out of my t-mobile contract, and I am seriously thinking about picking one of these babies up.

I know Android is the new hotness, but I just like how the iPhone works. The app store is easy, I know I'm going to get tons of options and support from thousands of developers. Maybe it's just because I haven't used one, but Android sort of "scares" me in a way-- I worry about not being able to find the apps I want... or the fact that a new ROM will drop, or a new handset will be out next week that blows my current phone out of the water. The iPhone might not be the best phone, but it's comfortable.

Only problem NOW is committing myself to AT&T. These new data caps are like a cold bucket of water poured over the head of my enthusiasm. Sure, I know that "98% of users never use more than 2GB," but it just seems wrong that unlimited was $30, and now 2GB is $25. What a huge savings. Of course, AT&T will sell you more data -- another $10 for 1GB -- which in and of itself rubs me the wrong way.

Seems like my AT&T offers 15% off for people working in my school district, so maybe that'll help things go down a little smoother. IF they allow it to be used on iPhones, that is. Will have to call.

ahhh... forget that.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

You don't have to do the contract thing... it'll just cost you more. See one of my previous posts for the pricing on the iPhone 4 without a contract. It's quite a bit more expensive, but possibly worth it.

Yeah, I know they're selling them unsubsidized for $599/899 or whatever the price is, but I just don't see any advantage to that for me. You still have to pay AT&T the same monthly charge, don't you?

I guess you could theoretically take it to t-mobile if the hackers figure out how to unlock the thing, but then you'd be unable to use the 3G.

SommerMatt wrote:
tuffalobuffalo wrote:

You don't have to do the contract thing... it'll just cost you more. See one of my previous posts for the pricing on the iPhone 4 without a contract. It's quite a bit more expensive, but possibly worth it.

Yeah, I know they're selling them unsubsidized for $599/899 or whatever the price is, but I just don't see any advantage to that for me. You still have to pay AT&T the same monthly charge, don't you?

I guess you could theoretically take it to t-mobile if the hackers figure out how to unlock the thing, but then you'd be unable to use the 3G.

Yargh! Ya caught me SommerMatt... I didn't read your post carefully enough.

Anyways, the new ATT data plans are very bad, especially after enjoying unlimited the last couple years. It was only a matter of time, though, I figure. ATT's network has been overloaded by iPhone users since it came about, so I'm not surprised whatsoever that they are introducing the limited plans.

[size=8]Still sucks, though.[/size]

I'm still crunching the numbers between the Evo and the iPhone 4. Let's say my wife currently has the unlimited data plan on her 3gs...would I be able to add a line to that for less money than a whole second contract?

Matokin wrote:

The apps are an added bounus. I am conflicted though since I will also be using it as my main mp3 player so would it be better to spend the extra money and get the 32gb model? My coworker says she has the 16 and does just fine but another friend says he has the 32 and has half filled up with music and the other half for apps and has it 3/4 full. What do you all think about the size's?

Consider that you're looking at a single up-front price difference for a device that you're paying how much a month for? Given how long you're going to be under contract, unless you're that really squeezed for money, I don't see any reason not to get the highest capacity.

Seth wrote:

I'm still crunching the numbers between the Evo and the iPhone 4. Let's say my wife currently has the unlimited data plan on her 3gs...would I be able to add a line to that for less money than a whole second contract?

I have 3 iphones on my plan. Each additional phone is 9.99 + 29.99 for data + whatever you pay for texting/texting plan. (+taxes and other fees)

While the new iPhone is incredible looking, you can't say that there aren't rivals on the android side. I think the Nexus One can hold its own industrial design wise:
IMAGE(http://www.amitbhawani.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Google-Nexus-One.jpg)

Showoff. :p

DF7 wrote:

While the new iPhone is incredible looking, you can't say that there aren't rivals on the android side. I think the Nexus One can hold its own industrial design wise:
IMAGE(http://www.amitbhawani.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Google-Nexus-One.jpg)

I'd say Android devices are getting competent in the area of design. Apple still rules the roost. Similar to MacBooks vs. other laptops, laptop manufacturers have finally figured out that design matters. So they invest in design and come up with some pretty decent laptops. But MacBooks are still #1 in design, hands down.

Nomad wrote:
Seth wrote:

I'm still crunching the numbers between the Evo and the iPhone 4. Let's say my wife currently has the unlimited data plan on her 3gs...would I be able to add a line to that for less money than a whole second contract?

I have 3 iphones on my plan. Each additional phone is 9.99 + 29.99 for data + whatever you pay for texting/texting plan. (+taxes and other fees)

Thanks for the info, Nomad. It looks like tacking on an iPhone 4 to my wife's existing plan is extremely competitive with the corporate discount I get on Sprint plans. So dollar wise for me, the phones are almost identical.

So is a superior (in my opinion) artistic package, a superior screen, and a larger app space worth giving up 4G, a larger screen, unlimited bandwidth, and having open source architecture?

I am bad at decisioning.

Seth wrote:
Nomad wrote:
Seth wrote:

I'm still crunching the numbers between the Evo and the iPhone 4. Let's say my wife currently has the unlimited data plan on her 3gs...would I be able to add a line to that for less money than a whole second contract?

I have 3 iphones on my plan. Each additional phone is 9.99 + 29.99 for data + whatever you pay for texting/texting plan. (+taxes and other fees)

Thanks for the info, Nomad. It looks like tacking on an iPhone 4 to my wife's existing plan is extremely competitive with the corporate discount I get on Sprint plans. So dollar wise for me, the phones are almost identical.

So is a superior (in my opinion) artistic package, a superior screen, and a larger app space worth giving up 4G, a larger screen, unlimited bandwidth, and having open source architecture?

I am bad at decisioning.

I'd double check with AT&T that those rates will continue - you're more likely to have to select one of the tiered plans for any new activation. That'll run up some hefty data costs if you go above the 2GB cap, which is quite do-able with Netflix, iAds, etc.

Tanglebones wrote:
Seth wrote:
Nomad wrote:
Seth wrote:

I'm still crunching the numbers between the Evo and the iPhone 4. Let's say my wife currently has the unlimited data plan on her 3gs...would I be able to add a line to that for less money than a whole second contract?

I have 3 iphones on my plan. Each additional phone is 9.99 + 29.99 for data + whatever you pay for texting/texting plan. (+taxes and other fees)

Thanks for the info, Nomad. It looks like tacking on an iPhone 4 to my wife's existing plan is extremely competitive with the corporate discount I get on Sprint plans. So dollar wise for me, the phones are almost identical.

So is a superior (in my opinion) artistic package, a superior screen, and a larger app space worth giving up 4G, a larger screen, unlimited bandwidth, and having open source architecture?

I am bad at decisioning.

I'd double check with AT&T that those rates will continue - you're more likely to have to select one of the tiered plans for any new activation. That'll run up some hefty data costs if you go above the 2GB cap, which is quite do-able with Netflix, iAds, etc.

Wish there was some way to not count adds in the data cap. Guess I'll just be sticking with the unlimited plan with no tethering(which really shouldn't cost extra anyway. Data use is data use, whether its on my phone, or through it to my laptop)

PyromanFO wrote:

I'd say Android devices are getting competent in the area of design. Apple still rules the roost. Similar to MacBooks vs. other laptops, laptop manufacturers have finally figured out that design matters. So they invest in design and come up with some pretty decent laptops. But MacBooks are still #1 in design, hands down.

Yeah. I love my android phone, but I still covet Apple's design. Doubly for the new one.

Being able to add multiple Exchange accounts is very cool... as someone who is frequently involved in several companies in direct fashion it will be nice to have real Exchange support for multiple servers. I'm hoping Apple beefs up the Calendar app as well to help me better identify what meeting came from what organization (other than simply the manual way)

I like the video chat but ultimately I hope they open it up to 3rd party software applications like Skype etc.. It would be nice to video chat with people all over the world.

The increased resolution will make games look all that much better so hopefully the power of the device has been increased % wise as well.

The new device looks great, but I won't be buying it. The updated iOS 4 has some decent features, but lacks a ton of what is making Android so popular right now. Sure, tt's going to sell like hot cakes, for sure, but 1) being on AT&T and 2) being dictated fully by Steve Jobs (the development restrictions my biggest beef) means I don't have to worry about phone envy. Aside from new hardware, there is nothing they showed off that made me want it.

By next year's WWDC, we should see some major changes to the overall software of the iOS if it wants to compete with what I feel Android will have as a base OS at that time. It almost feels like Android caught them off guard and this year was new hardware as there really hadn't been a competent alternative. I think Steve Jobs is probably cracking the whip on iOS 5 features already, and if he's not, well... he ought to be.

Remember, by this time next year we're likely to be on Android 2.3 (or better). 2.2 is going to speed up the overall system with the JIT compiler, add Flash support, the wifi hot spot capabilty, USB tethering and wireless syncing. For some of us (like Edwin), many of these features are already available. For others, they are coming quick.

I can't wait to see what both Google and Apple have up their sleeves for the next round!

woh woh woh woh woh wait a minute. Wireless Syncing? I don't think that will turn the tide for me, but that would be huge for me. I really suck at syncing my stuff regularly. Maybe just need to get on that better...

Anybody interested in the bluetooth keyboard bit of iOS4? I'm thinking it could be interesting to get a little keyboard that would allow the phone to attach to it basically turning it into half a netbook. It could be all right for travelling purposes. The touchscreen keyboard is perfect for most stuff, but email and whatnot is a bit of a pain.

Jolly Bill wrote:

woh woh woh woh woh wait a minute. Wireless Syncing? I don't think that will turn the tide for me, but that would be huge for me. I really suck at syncing my stuff regularly. Maybe just need to get on that better...

Did someone say wireless syncing? Of course Android already has this but still that's pretty nice to finally be able to ditch the USB cable on the iPhone.

I've been playing with iOS4 all day today. Got the Gold Master from the developer downloads last night. It's okay. It's like most iUpdates. It's a little more polished. Some finishing touches that fall under the "duh, why didn't they do that earlier, it makes so much sense?" category. But overall I'm underwhelmed. I'm sure I'll see a different side of things once the final version comes and we get full multi-tasking apps. But so far I wouldn't upgrade for the OS. The 3Gs benefits from enough to make it worth it, but there isn't much I need on top of what it has. Video voice chat is cool. Otherwise there isn't anything here I can't do on my Nexus One. It's just more polished.

Ooh. I forgot about the multiple exchange accounts. That's big time. My wife will be happy to finally be able to have work and home calendars on the phone.

I just wish I could get the iPhone hardware and keep Android OS on it. Hardware wise, without a doubt they are #1 by far! Their iOS though lets me a bit underwhelmed. Nothing there that would force me to upgrade.

PyromanFO wrote:
Jolly Bill wrote:

woh woh woh woh woh wait a minute. Wireless Syncing? I don't think that will turn the tide for me, but that would be huge for me. I really suck at syncing my stuff regularly. Maybe just need to get on that better...

Did someone say wireless syncing? Of course Android already has this but still that's pretty nice to finally be able to ditch the USB cable on the iPhone.

The wireless syncing was for Android... don't know about iPhone yet.

KillTrash wrote:

I just wish I could get the iPhone hardware and keep Android OS on it. Hardware wise, without a doubt they are #1 by far! Their iOS though lets me a bit underwhelmed. Nothing there that would force me to upgrade.

I've seen articles about jailbroken iphones running Android 2.2... so I'm sure it's possible.

PyromanFO wrote:
DF7 wrote:

While the new iPhone is incredible looking, you can't say that there aren't rivals on the android side. I think the Nexus One can hold its own industrial design wise:

I'd say Android devices are getting competent in the area of design.

I think the Sony Ericsson X10 looks great. I've gotten complements out of the blue on the looks of my phone. The downside is it's Android 1.6 until next quarter (SE was late jumping on the Android bandwagon).

IMAGE(http://gadgetvault.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/sony-ericsson-x10.jpg)

(And just for reference, it's got a 1GHz Snapdragon and 8.1MP camera.)

Didn't I read something about folks with unlimited data plans being "grandfathered" in? Perhaps I misunderstood something. So there is no way of avoiding the data caps?

CelestialNavigation wrote:

Didn't I read something about folks with unlimited data plans being "grandfathered" in? Perhaps I misunderstood something. So there is no way of avoiding the data caps?

Yup, there's grandfathering, unless you sign up for the tethering option.

There was grandfathering. Didn't the new plans come into effect two days ago?

I've been looking at Craigslist and Ebay, and by the looks of it, anyone with an iphone 3G or 3Gs can pretty much upgrade to the iphone 4 (if eligible) for little or no loss. I can get $300 for my 16g 3G without it being jailbroken. I could get more if I unlocked it. If you want to sell your old iphone, there is quite a market for it.