Walking dead tv show with spoilers. Please mark comic spoilers.

At this point, I've grown immune to the writers schizophrenic-grade inconsistencies.
I turn off my brain and watch for 45 minutes.

What I'm having a really hard time with, is stiching together last season finale with this season's premiere.

Didn't we see the garbage-yard people turn against Rick et al at the last minute right outside Alexandria?
Did I miss a Xmas-special or something?

The preview for next week's episode (Nov 26th) is finally addressing the trash people.

Since Darryl isn't in the comics, it makes me kind of wonder what happened at that scene that had Rick and Darryl throwing the explosives on the burning truck.

The picture of Negan being a badass because he has to keep the kids in line (Saviors) is what I figured. They are going to paint him a picture of the right guy forced to do the wrong stuff and give him a tragic end. Everyone who loves to hate him will learn to love him and be sad. Guess anyway.

Darryl is driven by revenge against the Saviors. He's going to be on tilt until he or Negan is dead. Shame it cost them the M-2 and other gear.

Ruling by fear isn't admirable. At least not when I think of characters I love. If Negan chose that persona to keep order he still could have doled out some bread and circuses to the workers like a benevolent dictator, instead of the 24/7 boot-on-the-neck treatment. The only sympathy I'd have for him is if he made his death help Rick's people.

I don't know what to make of the trash people. They've shown they can't be trusted and never will be good allies. Plus they're rather incompetent since their betrayal in Alexandria was ineffective (with proper credit to the arrival of the King and Widow, of course) There's not much point in talking to them, unless they can be shown how bad their deal with Negan was. "Enemy of my enemy" is the best Rick's group can hope for with them.

Just a heads up. Amazon is selling S7 SE for $99 today. It's normally $179.

Well that was weird.
And by weird, I mean poorly written.

Should we give everyone a couple of days to watch the latest episode?

Spoiler:

Did Carl's actor want out of the show? I mean, they really didn't know what to do with him for a while now.
The whole "let's go kill zombies to release their souls to honor my dead mom" not only came out of nowhere, it didn't really give him any sort of arc or seem to go anywhere either.

Hobbes2099 wrote:

Well that was weird.
And by weird, I mean poorly written.

Should we give everyone a couple of days to watch the latest episode?

Spoiler:

Did Carl's actor want out of the show? I mean, they really didn't know what to do with him for a while now.
The whole "let's go kill zombies to release their souls to honor my dead mom" not only came out of nowhere, it didn't really give him any sort of arc or seem to go anywhere either.

Spoiler:

I heard about this just today, and heard that the actor's dad is pretty pissed at the decision. Sounded like he is pissed with the writers, not his son, but I haven't looked into the matter any further since I have no more incentive to watch the show (I would have, were I still making a TWD game, but that's not happening anymore).

Hobbes2099 wrote:

Well that was weird.
And by weird, I mean poorly written.

Agreed. I literally groaned at a couple scenes, especially:

Spoiler:

The ambush of Maggie's Hilltop convoy. You don't have to be an expert military strategist to realize that, when it's clear you're moving into a kill zone, the last thing you want to do is sit still and do nothing. If the argument is that Maggie knew the Savior's would just take their guns and let them go, then I'm groaning even more. It makes no sense to assume the Saviors would not execute every last one of them after what they did to the sanctuary They can find enough workers to till crops. Nobody is irreplaceable.

Good soap operas make me forget they're soap operas. TWD did that well before last season. Now the Rick/Negan contest feels too drawn out. And when it's finally resolved I don't see where the group goes next. It feels like all the stories have been told.

After it draws out I assume they'll be down to a few people who move on to the next promising spot. Things will go well for a while. Then, there will be an evil guy who wants to destroy them. They'll get beaten down for half the season and win in the second half.

After quitting TWD during Season 2, I had read synopses of the general plot as it meandered around, but hadn't seen any more episodes until last night when the friends we're staying with queued up the latest.

People are still watching this? What. The. Hell. At points I was wishing for a commercial break to give me something more interesting to watch.

JeffreyLSmith wrote:

Good soap operas make me forget they're soap operas. TWD did that well before last season. Now the Rick/Negan contest feels too drawn out. And when it's finally resolved I don't see where the group goes next. It feels like all the stories have been told.

The longer I watch, the stronger the feeling of "the essay needs to be 1,500 words long, let's count the words again to see how many more we need". The story has great moments and great dialogues, but is often surrounded by obvious time feelers (wasters). I can almost the writers groaning and sighing because they need to come up with another 5 minute scene, giving up and we get the 2 minute face montage at the beginning and end of the last episode.

I'm not sure why I'm still watching this show. The comic is so much better and I'm bored within a few minutes. Also feels like they are doing the same things over and over.

Have we taken the conversation elsewhere or have we given up on the show altogether?
I stopped half through Carl's death episode and finally binged the rest of the season over the last few days.

I think I'm mostly hate-watching this now:

- I'm tired of what they did with Morgan. Now I hear he's getting shipped off to Fear the Walking Dead.
- It's downright weird how much the show decided to sanctify Carl, his death and the meaning of his death.
- The seasons should be written before the start of production, not improvised during; why on earth did we have an entire subplot about the Oceansiders only to have them join to throw 12 molotovs at 8 Saviors that were about to get ambushed by Tara anyway?
- I'm a full practicing catholic (eeeeeeh, high 70's, low 80s at most) and I'm totally fed up with Gabriel's search for meaning and faith. We've lost amazing characters and this guy is still in the show. I can't stand him any more.

Random thoughts;
- After Black Panther and Infinity War, I can't unsee Danai's rasta wig as fake. She looks awesome bald and should adopt that look in the show as well.
- I would have much preferred if Eugene's sabotaging plan had been from the beginning and not as a last minute change of heart. Seems like they shoehorned Gabriel's search for faith into that story line.

I stopped watching in the prison season. Don't remember when that was. It got to be too much. Too much unrelenting depression. So I don't know how you all hung on so long.

I still watch and enjoy the show. But Hobbes' post is pretty much exactly why I don't come here to discuss it.

TWD is still twitching, but only because nobody had the mercy to take a head shot two years ago.

My family (wife, two teenage sons) watched TWD as a Sunday-evening tradition for several years and enjoyed discussing what we'd do to survive in that world, as well as speculating on what might happen next. (My youngest never gave up hope that Glenn was alive under the dumpster in season 6).

When Glenn died to start season 7 our hopes for the show began dying, too. The whole season was brutal and depressing. Our oldest stopped watching mid-season. The rest of us stuck with it out of inertia. We persevered and finished season 8 with a (undead) groan and never discussed it again.

They should have concluded the series at the end of season 7. That would have kept the Negan arc tight and interesting and left the fans hungry for more (brains). That would have given Fear TWD a needed boost, too.

Instead they're shambling into season 9 with many fan favorites gone. Andrew Lincoln appears to be out after this season. Chris Hardwick is out as host of Talking Dead. The show has literally become its title.

Jayhawker wrote:

I still watch and enjoy the show. But Hobbes' post is pretty much exactly why I don't come here to discuss it.

Yeah, I'm a chronic nit-picker; sorry about that.

Hobbes2099 wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

I still watch and enjoy the show. But Hobbes' post is pretty much exactly why I don't come here to discuss it.

Yeah, I'm a chronic nit-picker; sorry about that.

Me, too. We nitpick and mock what we love.

Hobbes2099 wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

I still watch and enjoy the show. But Hobbes' post is pretty much exactly why I don't come here to discuss it.

Yeah, I'm a chronic nit-picker; sorry about that.

It's not just you, and to be fair, it's not just GWJ. But, television discussion on this site is mostly terrible. I don't need a review of shows in their 8th season. I definitely don't need a review of each episode anymore than someone wants to read of separate review of each chapter of a book.

The sad part is, when I do come to read, it's clear that folks are missing so much of what is going on because they are sitting on their couch bitching to someone about how dumb the show is. And to try to have a intelligent conversation means having to justify watching the show, which I find asinine.

It makes it easier to enjoy a show like Counterpart, because so few people have Starz and have seen it. It's incredibly smart, has fantastic acting, and the story is so relatable to current events that it inspires interesting discussion. But I guarantee you that if it were on HBO, the premise would have been picked the death, every plot hole exposed, and it would lead to the same boring conversations about whether the show is good or bad, whether this episode was better or worse, and if the trend makes it worth watching.

But nerd culture seems to be more about gatekeeping, making sure everyone knows what they should and shouldn't be watching, than actually discussing it like art, something that makes us think. We treat pop culture as accoutrements. We define ourselves by what we like and what we hate. It's no longer good enough to turn the channel. We have to explain to everyone else why they should change the channel on the TV show we hate watch every week.

Is this a GWJ thing or just a matter of the fact that there aren't many active fans of TWD here? I just don't like The Walking Dead, personally. So I don't think there's much to talk about. That doesn't mean there isn't much to talk about. Just not to me. There's always plenty of talk about Game of Thrones. Which reminds me. I've been meaning to create a thread about how "Queer Eye" is overrated because it's too materialistic.

Has anyone run out of bullets or gas or ideally both yet? Have they figured out that they can have more than one black guy in the main cast at a time?

DSGamer wrote:

Is this a GWJ thing or just a matter of the fact that there aren't many active fans of TWD here? I just don't like The Walking Dead, personally. So I don't think there's much to talk about. That doesn't mean there isn't much to talk about. Just not to me. There's always plenty of talk about Game of Thrones. Which reminds me. I've been meaning to create a thread about how "Queer Eye" is overrated because it's too materialistic.

No, it's not a GWJ thing. TWD just seems to be a magnet for people who are bad at watching TV.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:

Has anyone run out of bullets or gas or ideally both yet? Have they figured out that they can have more than one black guy in the main cast at a time?

Perfect example. First, yes to both questions. Second, I don't need half of every episode where they show me where they scavenged for bullets and gas, or make sure I see every time they reload or fill up again. I can just assume that all happened without it distracting me from the story. I also don't count shots just to see if they screw it up.

You know what I do like? That they have women in significant producer and writer roles, and the result is several female characters with plenty of agency. One of the reasons my wife has watched a lot of Talking Dead with me, even when she isn't watching because she is sometimes not in the mindset, is that she really likes that Gail Hurd and Denise Huth are on a fair amount, and they have plenty of female guest celebrities.

In fact, Nicole Brown seems likely to take over for Chris Hardwick, replacing the white male nerd with issues with a black woman. She has been a fan favorite as guest for awhile because she is so deep into the story and characters, bringing a notebook with her to tapings to refer to. I wonder if she will get the grief as Hardwick for being too positive about the show?

I don't think it's because I or any others are bad at watching TV, as much as some people have different tastes. Myself, it was increasingly hard for me to get past the obvious conservative prepper porn the limitless gasoline and bullets and, not for nothing, the exceedingly distasteful stretch where whenever a new black man entered the show the previous one would die within an episode that lasted long enough to become a sick joke, represented in my view. I'll grant you the respect you haven't offered others and say you clearly see the show differently.

I loved the comic for a time and disliked the show most of the time until I gave up on it. I also don’t think that makes me bad at watching television. In fact I watched some TV just a few days ago.

I recently enjoyed Showtime’s “The Fourth Estate”. Notable for its lack of prepper porn, although it’s almost as depressing as The Walking Dead.

I don’t think not liking a show makes anyone bad at watching TV. Sorry if it came our that way.

I'm still a hardcore fan but like Jayhawker I don't enjoy discussions on plot holes and technicalities. Luckily I have a group of co-workers that gather on Mondays to discuss the latest episode each week.

Part of the reason there is no discussion is that there are a lot of people who don't like parts of the show, or the entire show and stopped watching and want everyone to know how bad it is. Every episode the talk is mostly about how bad it is and there's always someone who pops in to say they stopped watching it 4 seasons ago (which is the same on every site where people discuss TWD). I just watch it and talk to my wife about the parts I enjoy and do not enjoy.

Perhaps the end of the Ricktatorship, Maggie leaving, and Gimple giving way to another producer will give the show some new direction that will bring some people back.

Someone said something about popping in?
Yeap, I gave up on the show a few season back, so that's why I can't comment on current events.

Jaywalker, thanks for opening my eyes.

I've been scaling everything from black to white, 0 and 1, plausible to "stupid" for so long that I completely forgot to think of the show, individual stories and plots in terms of creativity, or if that story could be spun in its own show because it's an interesting idea worth developing further.

Wow. Just wow.

Thanks.

A few years back, I asked my brother to paint a realistic picture if the zombie apocalypse actually started. It was a weird excersice, but we had fun with it.

We quickly hit what's seems to be the last 2 seasons of TWD; zombies become the secondary thread to human lawlessness.

This last episode introduced us to Georgie. I haven't read the comics in forever, so w/o that piece of context, I can only assume the show runners are preparing to wrap up the show with season 9 (depends on ratings and a 1,000 other things, of course) where humanity can move past lawlessness and we can start rebuilding civilization.