I'm pretty sure that hole was new and not near Woodbury. I don't think they were driving toward Woodbury when they broke down.
I find this immensely amusing for some reason.
I'm pretty sure that hole was new and not near Woodbury. I don't think they were driving toward Woodbury when they broke down.
Everyone knows about the wholes effectiveness right? Lets see some dry moats people, get to it.
Baron Of Hell wrote:I'm pretty sure that hole was new and not near Woodbury. I don't think they were driving toward Woodbury when they broke down.
Everyone knows about the wholes effectiveness right? Lets see some dry moats people, get to it.
But why would they be digging new holes? Just to catch some Zombies and in so doing reduce the Zombie population?
Or did the G's goons drink so much of his Koolaid that they want to start up the same sort of community again? Friday night Zombie fights? Zombie research?
This makes me think that they are near Woodbury again...
boogle wrote:Baron Of Hell wrote:I'm pretty sure that hole was new and not near Woodbury. I don't think they were driving toward Woodbury when they broke down.
Everyone knows about the wholes effectiveness right? Lets see some dry moats people, get to it.
But why would they be digging new holes? Just to catch some Zombies and in so doing reduce the Zombie population?
Or did the G's goons drink so much of his Koolaid that they want to start up the same sort of community again? Friday night Zombie fights? Zombie research?
This makes me think that they are near Woodbury again...
The guy at the end was one of his two lieutenants that abandoned him at the beginning of the episode. We won't know until the next episode if they've found a new community and are up to their old tricks again (capturing walkers to use against other survivors) or if they were using the holes for defense and were just killing any walkers that fell in. The burned corpses in the hole suggest they're using them defensively, but with them...who knows.
Comic-version spoiler
I definitely like the TV's version of the Governor more than the comic's version, especially with them working these aspects from Rise of the Governor in. I felt that his conversion from Phillip to Brian in the book was way too abrupt. This version works so much better, even though it appears to be going in reverse.
KramNesnah wrote:2. Why does he end up in that zombie trap? I know he was being chased by Zombies and probably blinded by his love for the little girl, but he should know where the holes are/were? Perhaps this was a new hole?
The only possible explanation I could come up with was that he was still in full blown Hobo mode and didn't have his senses about him. The Hobo look seemed to be synonymous with a nihilistic attitude. After the events with Woodbury and the massacre, he lost his will to live. Helping the family out and seeing the young girl which reminded him of his daughter, and by extension Michonne, Rick, and the group, reminded him that he had something to live for even if it was only revenge.
Realized I was talking about something completely different.
In general I liked the episode. I thought it was ridiculous for the Governor to survive at the end of the last season, but having two storylines is a good thing for this show.
My husband's reaction:
he sees the setup with the family in the apartment as an adaptation/ripoff of one of the settings in the novel Robert Kirkman wrote about the Governor before Woodbury.
In general I liked the episode. I thought it was ridiculous for the Governor to survive at the end of the last season, but having two storylines is a good thing for this show.
My husband's reaction:
Spoiler:he sees the setup with the family in the apartment as an adaptation/ripoff of one of the settings in the novel Robert Kirkman wrote about the Governor before Woodbury.
That's exactly what it is.
They needed to explain the magic healing powers of Glen and thought the other story line would make it seam more plausible.
I will be really pleased to get back to the normal story line next week.
I'm just glad to see the governor is continuing with his campaign of peace, love, and solidarity.
I really enjoyed the two day hiatus.
Seems the Governor tried to outrun his true self.
Mid season finale better deliver.
I really enjoyed the two day hiatus.
Seems the Governor tried to outrun his true self.
Mid season finale better deliver.
ALL WILL FIGHT
SOME WILL FALL
We'll see, right? Probably the nurse's sister.
Hobbes2099 wrote:I really enjoyed the two day hiatus.
Seems the Governor tried to outrun his true self.
Mid season finale better deliver.ALL WILL FIGHT
SOME WILL FALL
We'll see, right? Probably the nurse's sister.
Comics ref:
Hope they spin it back to the comics and nurse's sister kills the gov for gunning down Beth while she's running with Judith.
Comics ref:
Spoiler:Hope they spin it back to the comics and nurse's sister kills the gov for gunning down Beth while she's running with Judith.
I would love to see that, because even though it would break my heart, I'm 100% sure the audience wouldn't expect it.
NOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOO! Tyhersch!
Well, all righty then....
Great episode though!
What a fantastic episode.
Great episode. February can't come fast enough!
To facilitate discussion:
-Does anyone think, as Chris Hardwick intimated on The Talking Dead, that the writers seem to be offing the show's moral compasses? First Dale and now Herschel. Maybe it's just coincidence but I find that a dangerous game to play. As Kirkman himself stated, he feels that the stronger bond the audience has with a character the more brutal their death has to be. Dale died pretty horribly and Herschel... I just hope that trend doesn't continue because it can become tiresome.
-It irked me with how easy the other camp fell in line with the Governor's plans to attack. The guy comes out of nowhere, kills the camp's leader and the camp's moral center, and folks just fall in line? How come no one asked to talk to Michonne and Herschel while they were held prisoner? They just take it on blind faith that an old man and a woman forced the Governor out of Woodbury? No consensus to talk? No pressure on the Governor to get the true story of his background (aside from the brief synopsis during his Let's Go To War speech)? With two sides to every story I would think that most people would want to get the truth out by sitting down with Michonne, Herschel, and Gov. before they go to war and start murdering strangers so they are fully aware of what they are fighting for.
-Michonne slices through walkers' skulls like butter. The Governor has a hard time cutting through an old man's neck.
-Everyone forgot about Rick diving behind the bus. Short term memory loss much?
I really hope Judith was just taken out of her car seat and escaped in the arms of someone on the bus.
Great episode. February can't come fast enough!
-It irked me with how easy the other camp fell in line with the Governor's plans to attack.
I really hope Judith was just taken out of her car seat and escaped in the arms of someone on the bus.
I'm not sure how many of the Governor's New Militia were actually falling in line with him, and how many were on one side of a beginning gun-fight. You have three choices: shoot with the people you arrived with; shoot at the people you arrived with or run. Odds are pretty high of getting killed if you choose anything other than shoot with your current allies.
I have a bad feeling that Judith is gone. There was a LOT of blood in that car seat.
FSeven, it bothers me too that no one becomes suspicious of "Brian" after losing two leaders in a relatively short time span not that long after he arrives. But it didn't bother me that the camp 'falls in line' with the Governor's plan. He was pretty convincing that the prison could be taken without "firing a single shot." I think everyone in the Walking Dead universe is desperate to find that 'safe place', and so it seems reasonable to me that they would place their trust in the Governor's plan with the assumption that it would be taken at least relatively peacefully. After all, they had a tank. And I agree with Atras that once the shooting started; they didn't have much choice. Everyone's morality is compromised at this point anyway.
About the neck cutting... I'd say that's a testament to Michonne's skill. That's actually realistic enough. Not everyone can cut someone's head off in one struck, but there are some who can. And I don't think it is always a matter of strength.
No comment about Rick behind the bus really. It was chaotic.
So much happens in this episode. A truly terrific episode. And Lizzie is so creepy.
I'm not sure how many of the Governor's New Militia were actually falling in line with him, and how many were on one side of a beginning gun-fight. You have three choices: shoot with the people you arrived with; shoot at the people you arrived with or run. Odds are pretty high of getting killed if you choose anything other than shoot with your current allies.
I meant when he first had the meeting with them to tell about the prison, his history with the people in the prison, and the possibility of a gun fight. No one asked any questions despite the possibility they might die if it came to guns. No one wanted to question Michonne and Herschel after they were captured. They just meekly shrugged their shoulders... "Oh okay, I'm going to possibly shoot at and kill people I don't know based on the word of a one-eyed guy who is new to our group and shrouded in mystery. It's also possible I might die. Okay...what's for breakfast?"
Someone pointed out. With all the rounds that were spent without hitting anything and with Carl's track record of being a dead-eye plus the little girls shooting that woman right between the eyes, maybe the kids should be protecting the adults.
Someone pointed out. With all the rounds that were spent without hitting anything and with Carl's track record of being a dead-eye plus the little girls shooting that woman right between the eyes, maybe the kids should be protecting the adults.
All in favour... From now on we will have a children's militia who will act like normal scared children to get behind enemy lines and launch sneak attack's.
I kept getting mad at the TV that Rick did not say anything about what "Brian" had done in the other town. It seemed enough people were wavering that if something had been said it could has caused a revolt in his camp.
FSeven wrote:Someone pointed out. With all the rounds that were spent without hitting anything and with Carl's track record of being a dead-eye plus the little girls shooting that woman right between the eyes, maybe the kids should be protecting the adults.
All in favour... From now on we will have a children's militia who will act like normal scared children to get behind enemy lines and launch sneak attack's.
I kept getting mad at the TV that Rick did not say anything about what "Brian" had done in the other town. It seemed enough people were wavering that if something had been said it could has caused a revolt in his camp.
I thought about it, but if you start attacking their beloved leader then they would have gotten defensive instead of hopeful of a peaceful resolution.
Bonnonon wrote:FSeven wrote:Someone pointed out. With all the rounds that were spent without hitting anything and with Carl's track record of being a dead-eye plus the little girls shooting that woman right between the eyes, maybe the kids should be protecting the adults.
All in favour... From now on we will have a children's militia who will act like normal scared children to get behind enemy lines and launch sneak attack's.
I kept getting mad at the TV that Rick did not say anything about what "Brian" had done in the other town. It seemed enough people were wavering that if something had been said it could has caused a revolt in his camp.
I thought about it, but if you start attacking their beloved leader then they would have gotten defensive instead of hopeful of a peaceful resolution.
True. [ I had written something up and realized that it pretty much sums up what Rick did on the show. :S ]
That was the battle for the prison that I wanted at the end of last season. Well done.
Finally glad to see the Governor dead. I never found him to be a great bad guy. Overall, to me the prison battle and the governor's death make up for last season's weak finale.
Also, I can literally see the director and the editor in the editing suite, giggling at themselves when they cut to another shot the moment a walker came up and attacked Daryl from behind.
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