Walking dead tv show with spoilers. Please mark comic spoilers.

Teneman wrote:
FSeven wrote:
Eleima wrote:

Some people get it and die, some don't. There should also people who get it, but in a less severe form.

If I'm not mistaken, of the two girls that Carol "adopted", the older one (who liked the zombie Steve) became a zombie and the younger one (that was luring the zombie with the radio) seems to just have a cough. Am I getting that right? If so, I wonder if this is what you are alluding to. Maybe the younger one isn't outright immune like others seem to be but it's not affecting her as badly as most. Sasha will most certainly pull through, too.

The older girl was alive and well as of last night's show. She was the one playing Pied Piper of Zombie and trying to lure the intubation-zombie away from Glen. She was also the one who was boot-tip-painting in the blood puddle at the end. The younger one I'm not sure about, I don't recall if we've seen her lately.

Hrmm. When Herschel saw Sasha passed out on the ground, he skipped by a cell and left it open. The girl who was in that cell had died and become a zombie. Maybe I mistook her for one of the sisters.

FSeven wrote:

Hrmm. When Herschel saw Sasha passed out on the ground, he skipped by a cell and left it open. The girl who was in that cell had died and become a zombie. Maybe I mistook her for one of the sisters.

I know exactly the scene you're thinking of. I actually thought that was Beth when I saw it. I'm sure it wasn't or they'd have said something more about it.

Teneman wrote:
FSeven wrote:

Hrmm. When Herschel saw Sasha passed out on the ground, he skipped by a cell and left it open. The girl who was in that cell had died and become a zombie. Maybe I mistook her for one of the sisters.

I know exactly the scene you're thinking of. I actually thought that was Beth when I saw it. I'm sure it wasn't or they'd have said something more about it.

Beth is in the quarantine (healthy) isolation area with Judith.

Eleima wrote:

The way immunization works is tricky and super complex.

I didn't see it as immunization. I see it more as treating the symtoms so they don't internally explode.

We finally (for the first time I think) saw dogs, whose absence from the world has been bothering me. Maybe the comic explains it, but I would assume that there would be huge feral dog packs everywhere.

PRG013 wrote:
Eleima wrote:

The way immunization works is tricky and super complex.

I didn't see it as immunization. I see it more as treating the symtoms so they don't internally explode.

That's how immunization works. You're exposed to a pathogen and you develop a reaction with varying degrees. The symptoms are just an expression of that.

Eleima wrote:
PRG013 wrote:
Eleima wrote:

The way immunization works is tricky and super complex.

I didn't see it as immunization. I see it more as treating the symtoms so they don't internally explode.

That's how immunization works. You're exposed to a pathogen and you develop a reaction with varying degrees. The symptoms are just an expression of that.

Herschel was asking for specific drugs from the Vet school. Were those immunization shots? That would be useless for the people who are sick. That's why I thought he was treating the symptoms.

Anyhow, I always find it funny that in TV and movies, people start coughing up blood and bleeding from the eye sockets are magically cured with some medicine and feel perfectly fine in a few days.

Robert Kirkman stated that this is just basically a form of Spanish Flu.

As I recall, Bob (I think that's his name, the army medic guy) told them to grab anything ending in "-in". As in penicillin, so antibiotics. Which makes no sense if you aren't dealing with a bacteria. I was under the impression that they were faced with a virus in which it would make complete sense to treat the symptoms and "ride" it out (kinda like in Guillain Barré syndrome).

Bottom line, don't expect a non medical show to make much medical sense.

Eleima wrote:

Bottom line, don't expect a non medical ZOMBIE show to make much medical sense. :D

FTFY

manta173 wrote:
Eleima wrote:

Bottom line, don't expect a non medical ZOMBIE show to make much medical sense. :D

FTFY ;-)

As Eleima stated:
Taken directly from: http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=2937

Antibiotics, which are prescribed for bacterial infections, don't work against viruses. This is because antibiotics are designed to interfere with biochemical reactions bacteria need to survive. Viruses don't have these same biochemical reactions.
Eleima wrote:

As I recall, Bob (I think that's his name, the army medic guy) told them to grab anything ending in "-in". As in penicillin, so antibiotics. Which makes no sense if you aren't dealing with a bacteria. I was under the impression that they were faced with a virus in which it would make complete sense to treat the symptoms and "ride" it out (kinda like in Guillain Barré syndrome).

Bottom line, don't expect a non medical show to make much medical sense. :D

I bite my tongue often while watching TV, there is an awful lot of misinformation in entertainment. That being said, I breathed a huge sigh of relief when Darryl and the others returned with the drugs and the thing seemed to subside. The dogs are worrisome. Are they effected by the meat they eat? And how the hell is the damn governor still alive? There isn't a force field around him rendering weapons useless. He's one, single, solitary, douchebaggy crazy man. Why does everyone seem to be a crack shot until he shows up, and then it turns into a 'let's make a crap ton of noise and waste all our ammo' kind of thing. I really despise him. More than the walkers. At this point they're kind of a neutral subject for me.

Hobbes2099 wrote:
Eleima wrote:

I found him absolutely terrifying in the comics. But in the show... Meh. Not do much. Can't say his return was truly necessary. Wait and see, I guess.

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I like the TV show Gov to the one in the comics. Not sure why.

The comic-version of the Governor was just an out-and-out psychopath. The TV-version was much more humanized, and his path from well-intentioned-leader to psychopath was actually explained and seemed pretty natural. I think that's what makes the TV-version of him more interesting and less scary.

Cobble wrote:

I didn't want the gov back yet, they would have been better served not bringing him back until the end of this seasons finale as a teaser and fully in next season.

I would repeat the Merle formula; take him out completely for at least 1 season, maybe two.
make everyone expect to see him lurking in the shadows, then **BAM**, full front and center.

Last night's episode took an interesting turn, showing what happened to the Governor between his meltdown and last week's reintroduction of him.

Worked okay for me. The transition from his attempt to leave the apartment complex to clean-shaven Governor-with-a-purpose was a bit too abrupt for my taste. I would have liked to see his transition from hopelessness to purpose-driven drawn out a bit more. Still, it was nice to not see the faces of Glenn/Maggie/Herschel/Rick/Carl/Tyrese/Bob/ etc. for one episode. Didn't realize I needed that until last night.

FSeven wrote:

Last night's episode took an interesting turn, showing what happened to the Governor between his meltdown and last week's reintroduction of him.

Worked okay for me. The transition from his attempt to leave the apartment complex to clean-shaven Governor-with-a-purpose was a bit too abrupt for my taste. I would have liked to see his transition from hopelessness to purpose-driven drawn out a bit more. Still, it was nice to not see the faces of Glenn/Maggie/Herschel/Rick/Carl/Tyrese/Bob/ etc. for one episode. Didn't realize I needed that until last night.

I think the purpose was to see how the Governor resisted consciously, while his subconscious bee-lined for a family.

Agreed, it helps it was a great episode, though.

I was really digging this season until The Governor came back. I couldn't care less for that character if I tried.

Did they purposefully try to get an actress that looks and talks like Maggie for that episode? The woman playing Lily (Audrie Marie Anderson) could have been cast as a sister.

Demiurge wrote:

I was really digging this season until The Governor came back. I couldn't care less for that character if I tried.

Agreed. I just want to see him dead so we can move on.

T-Prime wrote:
Demiurge wrote:

I was really digging this season until The Governor came back. I couldn't care less for that character if I tried.

Agreed. I just want to see him dead so we can move on.

dead or walking dead?

T-Prime wrote:
Demiurge wrote:

I was really digging this season until The Governor came back. I couldn't care less for that character if I tried.

Agreed. I just want to see him dead so we can move on.

I rolled my eyes two episodes ago when the Governor showed before the credits, but I actually enjoyed this episode quite a lot.

By the way, that song from 2 episodes ago has been stuck in my head. It's Ben Hamilton - Oats in the Water.

I really was not happy about the Governor coming back. However, this episode changed my opinion on that. The beginning of the episode he even stated that the last town fell apart because of the leader. Really showed him somewhat accepting what had happened was his own fault. The humanization of his charterer back from pretty much making him a monster last season was a very strong way of doing it. Now where they take it from here I do not know. Was he just at the prison to make peace (I doubt it) or will slide back into being a monster. This episode really took me from not looking forward to the governor storyline too now being interested in it.

I don't see him as coming to terms with anything. I see him as seeing a way to gain power again.

I guess I just see him a wholly evil.

Wired has a good recap/interpretation/comic-based-spoiler worth reading.

I really enjoyed it and found out a few things about the comics I previously wasn't aware of.

escher77 wrote:

Really showed him somewhat accepting what had happened was his own fault. The humanization of his charterer back from pretty much making him a monster last season was a very strong way of doing it.

I'm not sure if he's coming to terms with what he's done, or detaching himself from his former self, embracing a new identity. I definitely sympathize a lot more with the Governor after the latest episode.

I can't help but compare with with The Last of Us' Joel. They both lose their humanity due to extreme circumstances, and are trying to pick up whatever pieces are left, putting them together somehow.

It's easier to hate someone when you simplify them as "evil", and it's easier to sympathize with some when you simplify them as "broken". The last episode was very well written for me, as I was able to transition from loathing to empathy in a single, 45 minute viewing.

Hmm, Yeah I just took at the beginning when they asked what happened to the safe place he was in he stated something to it was the leaders fault (himself). When I expected him to say something like bad people attacked or something like that. In my view that was him taking blame. I do think though now that he has felt the embrace of the girl something bad will happen.

I really would like to see the governor move past his need for revenge, but after he explained chess to the little girl, that you can lose a lot of soldiers and still win the game, and that the king is the guy you want to capture, I lost any hope I had that he would be showing up at the prison with a gift basket.

escher77 wrote:

I really was not happy about the Governor coming back. However, this episode changed my opinion on that.

This.

But after this

nivek wrote:

I really would like to see the governor move past his need for revenge, but after he explained chess to the little girl, that you can lose a lot of soldiers and still win the game, and that the king is the guy you want to capture, I lost any hope I had that he would be showing up at the prison with a gift basket.

I'm skeptical again.

I was thinking that

Spoiler:

The sisters get zombied leaving the Gov to take care of the girl, which seems like it could be happening. I figured he was showing up at the prison to drop her off at a 'safe' place. Then we get the whole struggle about bad guy turned good, good guys turned bad.

Later this season..... Carol hooks up with the governor!

clever id wrote:
escher77 wrote:

I really was not happy about the Governor coming back. However, this episode changed my opinion on that.

This.

But after this

nivek wrote:

I really would like to see the governor move past his need for revenge, but after he explained chess to the little girl, that you can lose a lot of soldiers and still win the game, and that the king is the guy you want to capture, I lost any hope I had that he would be showing up at the prison with a gift basket.

I'm skeptical again.

I was thinking that

Spoiler:

The sisters get zombied leaving the Gov to take care of the girl, which seems like it could be happening. I figured he was showing up at the prison to drop her off at a 'safe' place. Then we get the whole struggle about bad guy turned good, good guys turned bad.

I really like this. Let's make this happen.

I enjoyed this episode a lot more than I had thought possible. Was good to take a breather from the other characters for a while. Really humanised his character for me.

Two things that bugged me about this and the previous episode:

1. Why does he show up exactly when the other issues at the prison seem to be resolved. I know it would probably have made the writing of the show to complex to keep all the threads going at tandem, but still. Seems a lot like: "OK, we solved that issue, now we need to start something new... I know! Let's bring back the big G!" Anyway... still liked this new take on him.

2. Why does he end up in that zombie trap? I know he was being chased by Zombies and probably blinded by his love for the little girl, but he should know where the holes are/were? Perhaps this was a new hole?

Anyhoo.. loved the show and loving this season!!