Walking dead tv show. (Spoilers)

Datyedyeguy wrote:

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My god, I noticed that too. And I laughed my f*cking ass off.

Well, teach me to DVR these things.

GioClark wrote:
Datyedyeguy wrote:

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My god, I noticed that too. And I laughed my f*cking ass off.

Ditto.

After watching the most-recent episode ("When the dead come knocking"):

* Governor still feels mis-cast. They have him doing creepy well enough, but I don't buy him as charismatic or charming at all.
* Michonne finally gets more to do than glower (though not much). More of this please.
* I didn't buy Rick suddenly being sane this episode - especially given the phone scene last week, which I thought was extremely well done.
* Conversely, Glenn's scene with Merle was great, and had solid character development for him in a way that made sense, was exciting, and didn't rely on any exposition.

Feels like the new writing team is still finding their footing a bit, but overall liking this season a lot.

As long as Merle's playing good cop/bad cop, I want him to whisper something to Glenn about his new capezios.

Why isn't Michonne talking to anyone? Seems to me that she should know, based on her time with Andrea and overhearing the conversation between Glenn and Merle, that the prison group is Andrea's old friends. Why wouldn't she mention to them that, "Hey, btw, I know Andrea, and she's alive and in the town I'm taking you to." Just seems like her silence is making things overly comlicated for no good reason.

Serengeti wrote:

Why isn't Michonne talking to anyone? Seems to me that she should know, based on her time with Andrea and overhearing the conversation between Glenn and Merle, that the prison group is Andrea's old friends. Why wouldn't she mention to them that, "Hey, btw, I know Andrea, and she's alive and in the town I'm taking you to." Just seems like her silence is making things overly comlicated for no good reason.

She makes a point to not volunteer information. She is a watcher and waits until the last possible moment to make a decision. That's why she is alive and why she is the best suited out of everyone to survive. Its a very good reason in that its her nature.

Plus on the flipside Andrea has already shown she has a bit of unanswered questions about her being left behind. She may not be all happy and chipper about what good people they all are. in fact it was probably the opposite which would completely transfer to michonne. Either way, michonne is the type to wait and decide for herself.

To someone who hasn't read the comics (like my wife), Michonne just seems like the stereotypical angry black woman.

To those who have read the comics, we know she is one of the most developed characters and as Cobble said, arguably the best suited to survive due to her analytical personality and her ability to withhold pertinent information until absolutely necessary. She is by far my favorite character. I really hope they develop her as well on AMC as Kirkman did in the comics.

Going to be a long wait.

Yay! Tyreese! Hope he lasts a while.

bighoppa wrote:

Yay! Tyreese! Hope he lasts a while.

At least til the next black guy shows up.

Loved last night's episode in general, but killing off the black characters is beyond ludicrous at this point. It's even more bizarre when we can see the writers have a deft touch (e.g. the scene with mustache prisoner guy calling Carol a lesbian), yet they seem completely tone deaf when it comes to handling the black characters.

In general I'm really excited by the show again. Can't wait until February, which is crazy because I had all but given up on the show in season 2.

Re: Tyreese - anyone else notice that it's Cutty from The Wire? I really hope he sticks around.

Scaphism wrote:

Loved last night's episode in general, but killing off the black characters is beyond ludicrous at this point. It's even more bizarre when we can see the writers have a deft touch (e.g. the scene with mustache prisoner guy calling Carol a lesbian), yet they seem completely tone deaf when it comes to handling the black characters.

In general I'm really excited by the show again. Can't wait until February, which is crazy because I had all but given up on the show in season 2.

Re: Tyreese - anyone else notice that it's Cutty from The Wire? I really hope he sticks around.

Noticed this immediately.

And comic spoiler.

Spoiler:

anyone else feel like Axel is the murderer from the comic? He and Carol are in the guardhouse?

obirano wrote:

And comic spoiler.

Spoiler:

anyone else feel like Axel is the murderer from the comic? He and Carol are in the guardhouse?

This.
When Carl hears noises, I was sure the screams meant we would get to see the reason Axel was locked up.

Scaphism wrote:

Loved last night's episode in general, but killing off the black characters is beyond ludicrous at this point. It's even more bizarre when we can see the writers have a deft touch (e.g. the scene with mustache prisoner guy calling Carol a lesbian), yet they seem completely tone deaf when it comes to handling the black characters.

It really is, but at least it seems to be limited to black male characters. Jacqui was handled pretty well, and Michonne's been great so far.

Hobbes2099 wrote:
obirano wrote:

And comic spoiler.

Spoiler:

anyone else feel like Axel is the murderer from the comic? He and Carol are in the guardhouse?

This.
When Carl hears noises, I was sure the screams meant we would get to see the reason Axel was locked up.

[spoiler]I got the same feeling, but his simply being horny and hitting on the only available (or so he thought) female is believable. Incredibly stupid to think that the rest of the group would be okay with it, but believable. I really hope he's not going to be the murderer though.

Any thoughts about the episode last night? I really enjoyed it, although it is kinda weird seeing Glen become kinda badass.

Nekroman wrote:

Any thoughts about the episode last night? I really enjoyed it, although it is kinda weird seeing Glen become kinda badass.

I was good all the way up to the very end.

Spoiler:

I dont want to watch Rick go crazy. I didn't want them to send Ty and the others away. I don't want the second half of the season to be all about "watch Rick hold on to his sanity". I want the plot to simply move forward naturally.

Nekroman wrote:

Any thoughts about the episode last night? I really enjoyed it, although it is kinda weird seeing Glen become kinda badass.

Ya, I'm getting the sense that while Rick chases his marbles across the floor Glen is going to reluctantly step up in a leadership role.

I watched the Talking Dead that comes on after for the first time and actually enjoyed it. They had the actor that plays Glen on and it was interesting hearing some of the behind the scenes stuff. For example, one of the producers was a zombie this episode that Andrea kills and he's the same guy that played the zombie that killed Andrea's sister (she killed him that episode as well). And Glen talked about the special effects they did for the head stomping scene. I might actually start watching it now.

Also, did anyone else see the commercial for the black & white version? They're going to re-air all the episodes, starting with the pilot, in glorious B&W. I thought that was pretty damn cool. It's going to start on Valentine's Day.

Vega wrote:
Nekroman wrote:

Any thoughts about the episode last night? I really enjoyed it, although it is kinda weird seeing Glen become kinda badass.

Ya, I'm getting the sense that while Rick chases his marbles across the floor Glen is going to reluctantly step up in a leadership role.

I watched the Talking Dead that comes on after for the first time and actually enjoyed it. They had the actor that plays Glen on and it was interesting hearing some of the behind the scenes stuff. For example, one of the producers was a zombie this episode that Andrea kills and he's the same guy that played the zombie that killed Andrea's sister (she killed him that episode as well). And Glen talked about the special effects they did for the head stomping scene. I might actually start watching it now.

Also, did anyone else see the commercial for the black & white version? They're going to re-air all the episodes, starting with the pilot, in glorious B&W. I thought that was pretty damn cool. It's going to start on Valentine's Day.

I'll definitely have to check out the B&W ones. Played Bioshock that way and loved it.

Glen has been my favorite person on the show for a long time. I've really enjoyed his development as a character. His ever increasing role as a leader has been awesome. I just hope he doesn't lose himself as he seeks revenge against those that hurt Maggie.

I think it is pretty awesome to have your main protagonist, Rick, lose his mind. It's been a long time coming and it seems like he can't hide it anymore. Also, the final mental break at the end of the episode was really cool.

I wonder if Merl can ever coexist with the group. He took his shot at causing chaos as fast as he could once he was safe with Rick and the others. It makes me wonder what he saw at the town that made him fall in line and take a supporting role.

I don't know what's in store in this season but it does look the tension has been brought up quickly.

Is the Rick plot part of the original? I find it extremely annoying.

liquid wrote:

Is the Rick plot part of the original? I find it extremely annoying.

If you mean in the graphic novel? Answer:

Spoiler:

Yes but the timing is a little different and the manifestation with his wife is as well

Spoiler:

Yeah, that. As presented in the show it felt out of place/character (despite being kind of set up in earlier episodes).

Does anyone else think that it's just painful to watch how the writers portray women and minorities? Michonne had like two lines in the entire episode and Andrea continues to be stupid beyond belief. I do like Carol's growth as a character though.

On a related note, I see that Axel appears to have won the coveted T-Dog "standing in the background looking concerned" role now.

I would watch the hell out of a "The Dixon Brothers Kill a Mess of Zombies" show.

edosan wrote:

Does anyone else think that it's just painful to watch how the writers portray women and minorities? Michonne had like two lines in the entire episode and Andrea continues to be stupid beyond belief. I do like Carol's growth as a character though.

On a related note, I see that Axel appears to have won the coveted T-Dog "standing in the background looking concerned" role now.

I would watch the hell out of a "The Dixon Brothers Kill a Mess of Zombies" show.

Michonne's not exactly chatty in the comic either, and at this point she barely knows Rick and the others and hadn't slept for days. She walked from Woodbury to the prison, told them about Glenn & Maggie, and went right back out with them. Then she had her fight with the Governor, and while she did win, she also get beat up pretty bad. I'm thinking at that point she had all she could do to keep herself conscious.

I'm hoping Tyreese and Sasha are kept as good, well developed characters and don't get ignored until the writers need to kill someone to show that the group's in real danger or remind people that walkers are still dangerous.

Andrea is just dumb. I think (mostly hope) that she would have left with Daryl if she could have followed him in the confusion or knew that Rick, Glenn, Michonne, and Maggie were there too, but that's probably because I keep hoping she'll act like Andrea from the comics.

I bring up the comic as little as possible, but Michonne is in character; she's always the silent type. I only mention this because I think the show writers are playing into that, not dismissing the minority cast member.

I'm not loving Rick's insanity. I understand he's under so much pressure with the dead wife, the new kid, the confusion of Carl actually obeying orders and what not, but I'd rather see that conclude sooner rather than later.

Re Andrea, I think a bit more exposition would play in her favor, she has found a safe haven and a relationship. Up until the night before, she had found a community she found acceptable (except for Monday Night Walker Brawls) and figured her former party was dead.

She had considered leaving the group with Shane last season, so she did feel alienated before. Not picking up and leaving immediately seems more reasonable than staying. We as the audience know both sides of Woodsburry, Andrea only knows the sugar-coated version the Governor has painted.

Her scene motivating the Woodsburry community to stay together is congruent with her staying after the gun fight.

EDIT TO ADD:
a) just realized I posted on the Comic thread thinking it was the Non-comic thread, luckily it wasn't the other way around.
b) Just realized it's spelled Woodbury and not Woodsburry like I've been writing it all this time...

edosan wrote:

Does anyone else think that it's just painful to watch how the writers portray women and minorities? Michonne had like two lines in the entire episode and Andrea continues to be stupid beyond belief. I do like Carol's growth as a character though.

I don't think it is a matter of women and minorities, but a matter of Andrea and Michonne. In the comics, Michonne is just as quiet and brooding as in the show, but it doesn't really feel wrong, given the media; in the show, it makes her look mentally ill or just pathetically written. I wasn't too concerned about it when she first showed up, but as she gets more screen time the opportunities for her to say something, anything, to help a situation will increase, and I hope they are willing to "break canon" for that to not be more annoying.

Andrea is just a badly written character. We saw some stupidity with Lori when she was around, too, but calling it a woman problem is not fair when they have done a good job with Carol and Maggie.

edosan wrote:

Does anyone else think that it's just painful to watch how the writers portray women and minorities?

Yes.

T-Dog's token status, not even getting lines in a lot of eps, got really, really embarrassing, and the quick string of killing off one black guy when another showed up was almost comical. If they treat Chad "Cutty from the Cut" Coleman similarly, I shall be super pissed. I hope, instead, they use him as an opportunity to turn that around.

And I may be wrong, but I recall in s2 thinking that I'd be a lot more comfortable with all the scenes of the womanfolk doing the cooking, cleaning, and dishwashing, if Andrea weren't being portrayed as so inept at the man stuff, and there weren't arguments with Lori about how she wasn't helping with laundry and sh*t. With the dire morning after pill story as the cherry on top, it didn't sit well with me.

I can't speak to this version of Michonne being consistent with the comic version, but I feel like they keep putting her in circumstances where we need to understand her character better even if she is Strong and Silent. Her mad-on for attacking the Governor, for example, seemed crazy enough that it needed more than "He ordered some dudes to kill her."

SpacePPoliceman wrote:

I can't speak to this version of Michonne being consistent with the comic version, but I feel like they keep putting her in circumstances where we need to understand her character better even if she is Strong and Silent. Her mad-on for attacking the Governor, for example, seemed crazy enough that it needed more than "He ordered some dudes to kill her."

She had a much better reason in the comic.
Comic spoiler

Spoiler:

Michonne was already part of Rick's group when they discovered Woodbury, and they'd already established that she didn't say much and mostly kept to herself. She was with Rick & Glenn when they came across the town, and they all went in expecting a friendly welcome but the Governor imprisoned them all. He cut off Rick's hand, tied Glenn up in a cell and made him listen as he raped and tortured Michonne for several days before they managed to escape. She also played a much more severe game of "to the pain" with the Governor when she got her payback

I do agree that they're doing a really poor job of explaining her in the show though.

Hobbes2099 wrote:

I'm not loving Rick's insanity. I understand he's under so much pressure with the dead wife, the new kid, the confusion of Carl actually obeying orders and what not, but I'd rather see that conclude sooner rather than later.

I think this particular instance was triggered in part by the baby crying when he tried to hold it. I think he fully realized then that it was Shane's baby, not his, and realized he may not feel the same drive to protect her as he does for Carl, and that manifested as Lori staring at him accusingly for not protecting her baby from the newcomers when he was considering listening to Hershel.