The Dark Knight Rises Catch-All

Citizen86 wrote:
Demyx wrote:
Spoiler:

The parts where realism fell through bothered me more here than in Avengers since the movie seems to be trying so hard to set up a realistic scenario. I didn't like that Bane had several months in Gotham but it still took them to the last possible second to get rid of the nuclear bomb, for example.

I don't understand the problem here...

Spoiler:

You're referring to the cops/Batman getting rid of the nuclear bomb? There were very few cops on the streets until they were released, and Batman wasn't around, so why couldn't Bane keep the bomb with his army of thugs?

I'm saying that

Spoiler:

The city siege was going on for weeks and it still went down to the absolutely last second. Batman arrived in Gotham with literally hours left to go. I thought that was a little silly and strained credulity.

We need a spoiler thread!

Demyx wrote:
Citizen86 wrote:
Demyx wrote:
Spoiler:

The parts where realism fell through bothered me more here than in Avengers since the movie seems to be trying so hard to set up a realistic scenario. I didn't like that Bane had several months in Gotham but it still took them to the last possible second to get rid of the nuclear bomb, for example.

I don't understand the problem here...

Spoiler:

You're referring to the cops/Batman getting rid of the nuclear bomb? There were very few cops on the streets until they were released, and Batman wasn't around, so why couldn't Bane keep the bomb with his army of thugs?

I'm saying that

Spoiler:

The city siege was going on for weeks and it still went down to the absolutely last second. Batman arrived in Gotham with literally hours left to go. I thought that was a little silly and strained credulity.

It was rather dramatic.

Slumberland wrote:

We need a spoiler thread!

I was pleased that everyone is using tags so well. I was still able to browse this thread and see general impressions although I didn't see the movie until a week later. Bravo everyone.

Grenn wrote:
Demyx wrote:
Citizen86 wrote:
Demyx wrote:
Spoiler:

The parts where realism fell through bothered me more here than in Avengers since the movie seems to be trying so hard to set up a realistic scenario. I didn't like that Bane had several months in Gotham but it still took them to the last possible second to get rid of the nuclear bomb, for example.

I don't understand the problem here...

Spoiler:

You're referring to the cops/Batman getting rid of the nuclear bomb? There were very few cops on the streets until they were released, and Batman wasn't around, so why couldn't Bane keep the bomb with his army of thugs?

I'm saying that

Spoiler:

The city siege was going on for weeks and it still went down to the absolutely last second. Batman arrived in Gotham with literally hours left to go. I thought that was a little silly and strained credulity.

It was rather dramatic.

I think that's the point. It's part of watching movies

Stele wrote:
Slumberland wrote:

We need a spoiler thread!

I was pleased that everyone is using tags so well. I was still able to browse this thread and see general impressions although I didn't see the movie until a week later. Bravo everyone.

And I've been able to spoil the hell out of it without needing to read two threads! Total win/win here.

shoptroll wrote:
cheeba wrote:

Really liked the film, but when he was taking the bomb away I could not stop thinking of this:
IMAGE(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/22625_o.gif)

I thought that too!

There is no way that was not intentional.

AnimeJ wrote:
Stele wrote:
Slumberland wrote:

We need a spoiler thread!

I was pleased that everyone is using tags so well. I was still able to browse this thread and see general impressions although I didn't see the movie until a week later. Bravo everyone.

And I've been able to spoil the hell out of it without needing to read two threads! Total win/win here.

If you all say so. It was just getting to that weird zone where there's a page that almost entirely white.

Slumberland wrote:
AnimeJ wrote:
Stele wrote:
Slumberland wrote:

We need a spoiler thread!

I was pleased that everyone is using tags so well. I was still able to browse this thread and see general impressions although I didn't see the movie until a week later. Bravo everyone.

And I've been able to spoil the hell out of it without needing to read two threads! Total win/win here.

If you all say so. It was just getting to that weird zone where there's a page that almost entirely white.

Which reminds me,

Spoiler:

when I was watching the film, one of the things I noticed was the explicit plays on the concepts of dark and light. This is a common theme for Batman, of course, but it's something Bane explicitly calls him out on. But compare Bane to the Joker: all of the Joker's major heists take place at night, particularly the big chase scene in the middle and the climax. But all of Bane's actions take place in daylight. The opening. The stock market (Batman actually turns out the lights, once Bane escapes Batman finishes the police chase after the sun goes down). The stadium. Opening the prison. Once he emerges from the sewers Bane is always in the light. Whereas Batman's return is explicitly in the pre-dawn darkness.

Just to clarify from a page earlier, Selina Kyle's blonde friend is called Holly, not Harley, and she's an underage prostitute-pal of Catwoman in Batman: Year One.

Gremlin wrote:
Spoiler:

all of the Joker's major heists take place at night, particularly the big chase scene in the middle and the climax.

Spoiler:

The bank robbery at the start of TDK is in the day.

Honestly, if someone wants to avoid being spoiled, they shouldn't be reading page 32 of a thread on the movie they want to see. A TV show is ongoing, so that is understandable.

Jayhawker wrote:

Honestly, if someone wants to avoid being spoiled, they shouldn't be reading page 32 of a thread on the movie they want to see. A TV show is ongoing, so that is understandable.

I agree, but someone, somewhere will get terribly bent out of shape over it.

I guess a solution would involve a change to the forum, an opt-in to spoilers on a per-thread basis, which would:
-Say you've seen the thing to be spoiled, and want to read all the spoilers
-All spoilers are presented as plain text
-All you write is by default a spoiler, unless you use markup to specify it.
-People who don't opt-in are presented with the current system

No more highlighting everything or clicking every 'show' box, and people who want to scroll past the whitespace to the non-spoiler stuff that remains (collapse/expandable spoilers would sort out the big walls of white). It would seem to me to be much less hassle for people on both sides of the fence.

Citizen86 wrote:
Grenn wrote:
Demyx wrote:
Citizen86 wrote:
Demyx wrote:
Spoiler:

The parts where realism fell through bothered me more here than in Avengers since the movie seems to be trying so hard to set up a realistic scenario. I didn't like that Bane had several months in Gotham but it still took them to the last possible second to get rid of the nuclear bomb, for example.

I don't understand the problem here...

Spoiler:

You're referring to the cops/Batman getting rid of the nuclear bomb? There were very few cops on the streets until they were released, and Batman wasn't around, so why couldn't Bane keep the bomb with his army of thugs?

I'm saying that

Spoiler:

The city siege was going on for weeks and it still went down to the absolutely last second. Batman arrived in Gotham with literally hours left to go. I thought that was a little silly and strained credulity.

It was rather dramatic.

I think that's the point. It's part of watching movies

I...I know.

Scratched wrote:
Gremlin wrote:
Spoiler:

all of the Joker's major heists take place at night, particularly the big chase scene in the middle and the climax.

Spoiler:

The bank robbery at the start of TDK is in the day.

Spoiler:

I know, and also blowing up the hospital and shooting the mayor and a few other things. My point was more that Bane is overwhelmingly operating in daylight (and often directly in front of crowds). I'd have to watch all three films to develop the theory better, but I think you can argue a progression from Batman Begins (It's been a while but I think most of the villain's scenes were at night and he never appears directly before the public) to The Dark Knight (Joker walks all over the line, broadcasts his threats but doesn't show up in person, and Batman is predominantly seen at night) to The Dark Knight Rises (Once Bane comes out of the sewer he is pretty much always in daylight and in public).

I don't see a problem with using spoiler tags.

ccesarano wrote:

I don't see a problem with using spoiler tags.

Spoiler:

I think they're a reflex now.

Grenn wrote:

I...I know.

I know you know. I was saying it to agree with you. I know you know I know you know

Citizen86 wrote:
Grenn wrote:

I...I know.

I know you know. I was saying it to agree with you. I know you know I know you know

I...didn't know that.

Grenn wrote:
Citizen86 wrote:
Grenn wrote:

I...I know.

I know you know. I was saying it to agree with you. I know you know I know you know

I...didn't know that.

You must!

ccesarano wrote:

I don't see a problem with using spoiler tags.

We must argue about THAT now. Rrrrrrr.....

DSGamer wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

I don't see a problem with using spoiler tags.

We must argue about THAT now. Rrrrrrr.....

No, you must continue spoiling the movie I've yet to see for me! My wallet demands it!

Just got out of seeing it. Loved Bane's bomber jacket, and I hope he was wearing it as a goof.

Citizen86 wrote:
Grenn wrote:
Demyx wrote:
Spoiler:

The city siege was going on for weeks and it still went down to the absolutely last second. Batman arrived in Gotham with literally hours left to go. I thought that was a little silly and strained credulity.

It was rather dramatic.

I think that's the point. It's part of watching movies

Spoiler:

As Alfred mentioned when relating rumors he'd heard about Bane, it's a prison very nearly on the other side of the world. Even with 3 (?) weeks between his escape and arrival in Gotham, that's a lot of distance to cover for a guy who has no money or ID on him and no money and few resources back home (Alfred's been gone for months by then). Having to be told that his fellow prisoners were chanting, "Rise!", he probably didn't even speak the local language.

That's probably, structurally, one of the things I worried about when I saw the first full trailer. To rise, he has to fall first, which meant the movie had to either start with him broken, and then spend time showing his recovery, or break him during the story, both of which necessitate an awkwardly long amount of time for a super-villain to be running around unchecked.

Spoiler:

And they chose both, really...

Spoiler:

The breaking/post-break split really felt like how Dark Knight was split into two parts as well. The movie hits a mini-climax with the capture of the Joker and then revs up again for the second half (or was it last third). They did the exact same thing in Rises with the mini-climax being the fight with Bane that leads to the breaking of the back. I also think the whole recovery sub-plot felt fairly similar to the training stuff from Batman Begins which reinforced the trilogy coming back onto itself with Talia coming to finish her father's work from the first movie.

Also, not that this excuses the lack of believability in the plot, a lot of Shakesperean plots don't make a ton of sense when you think about them, even though they are entertaining. Yay fridge logic!

So not sure if this has been brought up yet but:

Spoiler:

Does anyone else think that the prison is an allegory for the Lazarus Pit? I mean, there is a lot of 'rebirth' going on around that: Ras being reborn from a mercenary into forming the League of Shadows, Talia being reborn from a prison imp into 2nd in command, Bane being reborn into...Bane, and Bruce being reborn from his injuries to save Gotham one last time. Hell, it's even called The Pit.

Spoiler:

I wouldn't be surprised if that was Nolan's way of making a realistic Lazarus Pit.

ccesarano wrote:
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I wouldn't be surprised if that was Nolan's way of making a realistic Lazarus Pit.

Spoiler:

What do you mean, realistic? The Lazarus Pit is real

Spoiler:

During the confrontation between the cops and Bane's troops, I kept thinking of the scene from Rules of Engagement where Samuel L. Jackson gave the order for his men to fire in defense of the embassy. Concentrated fire from the marines with assault weapons just melted the people away. So in the DKR, I wasn't sure why only a couple of cops fell during their charge into massed automatic weapons.