The Big Gun Control Thread

I think one of the most interesting things about this is that the people passing this law.
1. Hate the federal government and federal laws.
therefore they
2. Do one of the only things I would consider a completely reasonable cause for the federal government to roll over them and take control of their law enforcement.

realityhack wrote:

I think one of the most interesting things about this is that the people passing this law.
1. Hate the federal government and federal laws.
therefore they
2. Do one of the only things I would consider a completely reasonable cause for the federal government to roll over them and take control of their law enforcement.

And yet would be perfectly willing for a Federal Constitutional Amendment to be added defining marriage as between a man and a woman when their state legislature has the local version struck down as unconstitutional?

Not to suggest all the gun advocates are anti-gay marriage. The point I'm making here is that, from my perspective, the desire for federal legislation versus states rights generally seems to fall on the side of "what makes it so things I want to happen/don't want to happen do/don't?"

What we have here is a very large group of people in government who would fail a 5th grade civics class.

Never mind the people who didn't get elected.

realityhack wrote:

What we have here is a very large group of people in government who would fail a 5th grade civics class.

Never mind the people who didn't get elected.

Given that this is also not that far off from the average reading level, this doesn't surprise me, unfortunately. It's like all of those people who complain every time about how someone may win the Presidency on electoral votes while losing the popular vote and complaining about how un-American it is. Well, it's the... American system of representative democracy, sooooo, in theory, nothing could be more American about it.

JC wrote:

ok people.... If I'm quoting aliens or predator movies it's a joke.... This particular thread seems to be seriously lacking in the sense of humor department.

That wasn't directed at you, so much as a blanket reminder. I've seen a lot of frustration lately from women in Texas fighting for abortion rights from hearing comments jokingly suggesting that Texas (or at least the "red parts") should be ejected from the union. When somebody involved in that sort of thing—fighting hard every day—hears that sort of joke it's a bit of a slap in the face.

Anyway, just a reminder that there are people out there working hard to make a difference, and there are people out there who need help and support.

I wasn't saying "don't joke", I was saying "whenever you make that sort of joke or hear that sort of joke, try to remember this."

edosan wrote:

...and in today's news:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...

And to add injury to injury, he now has to go to the special Hell.

At this point I think I've given up hope that there will be any sort of meaningful gun reform in my lifetime.

Of course, I did say the same thing about marijuana and look what WA and CO have done... The difference being there is nothing in the constitution about pot.

...and in today's news:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...

"An armed society is a polite society."

edosan wrote:

...and in today's news:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...

I'd support wounding the guy. He was texting (loudly) during a movie. However killing him was just going too far.

Nevin73 wrote:
edosan wrote:

...and in today's news:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...

I'd support wounding the guy. He was texting (loudly) during a movie. However killing him was just going too far.

One similarity between Nevin and the Bible? Fuzzy on the subject of kneecapping.

edosan wrote:

...and in today's news:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...

"An armed society is a polite society."

These are two people that fate just brought them together today.

And... allowing someone to carry a firearm into a recreational building frequented by kids... had nothing to do with it... ALL FATE!

Seriously, if you go to the theater for an "immersive" experience with no interruptions, you're doing it wrong. I go to a movie theater to see the new shiny story, or new special effects. It's pretty much expected that someone will walk in front of me so I see head silhouette, someone will be sick and coughing and sneezing through the whole movie, people will be laughing when nothing funny is happening, thus indicating phone usage. If you want zero interruptions, try it at home, after you've sedated everyone and unplugged/turned off all outside communication devices.

Demosthenes wrote:
edosan wrote:

...and in today's news:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...

"An armed society is a polite society."

These are two people that fate just brought them together today.

And... allowing someone to carry a firearm into a recreational building frequented by kids... had nothing to do with it... ALL FATE!

Seriously, if you go to the theater for an "immersive" experience with no interruptions, you're doing it wrong. I go to a movie theater to see the new shiny story, or new special effects. It's pretty much expected that someone will walk in front of me so I see head silhouette, someone will be sick and coughing and sneezing through the whole movie, people will be laughing when nothing funny is happening, thus indicating phone usage. If you want zero interruptions, try it at home, after you've sedated everyone and unplugged/turned off all outside communication devices.

Or go to the Alamo..

Demosthenes wrote:
edosan wrote:

...and in today's news:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...

"An armed society is a polite society."

These are two people that fate just brought them together today.

And... allowing someone to carry a firearm into a recreational building frequented by kids... had nothing to do with it... ALL FATE!

Seriously, if you go to the theater for an "immersive" experience with no interruptions, you're doing it wrong. I go to a movie theater to see the new shiny story, or new special effects. It's pretty much expected that someone will walk in front of me so I see head silhouette, someone will be sick and coughing and sneezing through the whole movie, people will be laughing when nothing funny is happening, thus indicating phone usage. If you want zero interruptions, try it at home, after you've sedated everyone and unplugged/turned off all outside communication devices.

Of course, if you really want to make sure that your family doesn't interrupt your movie you have to shoot them first.

edosan wrote:

...and in today's news:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...

"An armed society is a polite society."

"A witness recalled hearing the victim say he was texting his 3-year-old daughter"

wat

Alamo draft house just became my sole theater.

Seth wrote:

Alamo draft house just became my sole theater.

As soon as one opened near us, it became our default.

Tanglebones wrote:
Seth wrote:

Alamo draft house just became my sole theater.

As soon as one opened near us, it became our default.

I need one. I need one now.

But yeah, outside of places that actually enforces the rules, you have usually a crowd of high school or college students who aren't going to risk getting fired over a hopped up idiot like that lady in that voice mail complaining to management.

It still bugs me a little, but forget that person, I'll move my seat so they're out of my line of sight and enjoy the movie if I see someone phone obsessed before the movie starts or the previews are rolling. End of story. Polite move with no gun involved!

edosan wrote:

...and in today's news:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...

"An armed society is a polite society."

To update my own post: turns out the shooter was yet another perfectly responsible gun owner:

Reeves, a 71-year-old retired Tampa police officer, was arrested and charged with second-degree murder.
edosan wrote:
edosan wrote:

...and in today's news:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...

"An armed society is a polite society."

To update my own post: turns out the shooter was yet another perfectly responsible gun owner:

Reeves, a 71-year-old retired Tampa police officer, was arrested and charged with second-degree murder.

Wow, you'd think if anyone knew when it was and was not appropriate to shoot it's be a cop... oh wait, from Tampa Bay, never mind.

The victim was wearing a hoodie, right? Right?

Jayhawker wrote:

The victim was wearing a hoodie, right? Right?

Once again, Florida is stranger than fiction.

Nocco said his detectives considered if this could be a 'stand your ground' case but decided the criteria did not apply.

Well, popcorn was thrown, clearly that necessitates a lethal response.

*sigh*

Hypatian wrote:

When somebody involved in that sort of thing—fighting hard every day—hears that sort of joke it's a bit of a slap in the face.

Anyway, just a reminder that there are people out there working hard to make a difference, and there are people out there who need help and support.

I admire fighters. I understand having something you would rather fight to keep than to abandon. Everyone has to decide for themselves where the line denoting "too far" is.

It's long been unofficial American policy not to encourage activists within oil-rich, repressive theocracies with terrible human rights records, valorizing instead the "stability" they provide in their respective regions.

Just another day of protecting our freedom. Yay guns.

Popcorn doesn't kill people.

ScurvyDog wrote:

Just another day of protecting our freedom. Yay guns.

Popcorn doesn't kill people.

What if you choke on it? What if you are in a corn bin and there's a collapse and you're buried in corn? Corn is no less dangerous than guns!

A pretty balanced article on the gun debate in America. Yes, it's from Cracked.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things...

A pretty good article in, of all places, Cracked on the subject of gun control.

Paleocon wrote:

A pretty good article in, of all places, Cracked on the subject of gun control.

A 16 hour Tannhauser!

That article was actually pretty enlightening. Looking at guns and video games in a similar light explains the vicious knee jerk reactions whenever someone mentions restricting their access.

I'm curious to see if sales of the GTA series explodes whenever some politician or Scared Parent starts the video game violence rhetoric.

Seth wrote:

That article was actually pretty enlightening. Looking at guns and video games in a similar light explains the vicious knee jerk reactions whenever someone mentions restricting their access.

I'm curious to see if sales of the GTA series explodes whenever some politician or Scared Parent starts the video game violence rhetoric.

The part of the article I liked the most is how soluable the issue of reasonable restrictions on firearm ownership can be if both sides stop lying. And yes, there is plenty of lying on both sides.