Firearm Hobbyist Catch-All

Edwin wrote:

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this.

Needs context. That's a lot of percentages, but percentages of what? Gun owners? Gun license applicants? Gun-related criminals? Victims of gun-related crimes? People who like guns?

I could keep going.

If it's gun owners, do those percentages refer to a specific city? County? State? Country? Political affiliation? Religous affiliation?

IDPA members, probably.

IDPA participants it says toward the bottom. It took me a minute to notice it.

Yup, IDPA member demographics. It's from the latest issue of their magazine which profiles Puerto Rico and Costa Rica.

http://www.idpa.com/content/tactical...

Average age 51? Wow!

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Average age 51? Wow!

The time or two I went it was definitely a bunch of old white dudes.

There was one younger girl there with her dad, who was Latino. Other than that, white people.

One of those things that, at one point in my life, I might not have noticed.

Depending on what match you attend here in the Seattle area, it can be Asian dominant. Either way, I'm almost always the only Latino. I can't wait for my IDPA PR jerseys to arrive so I can represent.

So what you're saying is that a bunch of older white guys like to hang out on weekends and shoot timed courses? Yea, can't say that surprises me either.

Well, what it's saying is that at the moment they're almost the only people who do that.

clover wrote:

Well, what it's saying is that at the moment they're almost the only people who do that. :D

Large majority, for sure. Unless Edwin turned into a middle aged white guy while I wasn't looking.

clover wrote:

Well, what it's saying is that at the moment they're almost the only people who do that. :D

Yeah, which shows that the IDPA is failing to properly promote the sport and is likely to die out in the next 20 years unless they get their ass in gear. Once you fall below a certain membership threshold the events get fewer and farther apart which discourages potential new members even more.

Elycion wrote:
clover wrote:

Well, what it's saying is that at the moment they're almost the only people who do that. :D

Yeah, which shows that the IDPA is failing to properly promote the sport and is likely to die out in the next 20 years unless they get their ass in gear. Once you fall below a certain membership threshold the events get fewer and farther apart which discourages potential new members even more.

From the same page.

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Here is how I interpret it. The following is against the thread rules so please tell me if you want it deleted or moved.

Spoiler:

Ever since Obama got elected, there has been a massive increase in the sales of guns for political and racist reasons. It's likely the membership demographics where probably the same before Obama came into office. You combine this with the stats shown on the next page in the magazine ($1,580.83 spent a year in equipment, 65% of members reload), and I ask two questions. Who has time and money to do this? Those who make a decent living and have time (reloading takes a lot of time).

Considering what we know about income inequality, you can't fix the imbalance of membership demographics if we have the disparities have now and continue to trend into worse.

Oof. Wilson Combat is doing a limited run (1k units) of new G type Beretta 90two with the heavier Brigadier slide. That's brutal because I know I'll never have one.

http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-...

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Interesting...

Indeed. I would get this in a blink if I were not so happy with my XDm competition. If the price was right I would get one anyway. Always need more toys.

fishdude wrote:

Indeed. I would get this in a blink if I were not so happy with my XDm competition. If the price was right I would get one anyway. Always need more toys.

Bill Wilson himself replied to a question I sent him and it's already approved for production in IDPA and the paperwork is already being done for production approval in USPSA. So you should be able to compete in IDPA, USPSA, 3Gun and Steel Challenge with this.

That is cool. I bought my XDm with that intention but my laziness has kept me from pursuing it much further. It is fun to shoot regardless.

This would be a gun I would have bought for my Dad. He had a thing for the Beretta 92 and this would be perfect.

fishdude wrote:

That is cool. I bought my XDm with that intention but my laziness has kept me from pursuing it much further. It is fun to shoot regardless.

This would be a gun I would have bought for my Dad. He had a thing for the Beretta 92 and this would be perfect.

That Walther P38 is a pretty cool design.

Paleocon wrote:
fishdude wrote:

That is cool. I bought my XDm with that intention but my laziness has kept me from pursuing it much further. It is fun to shoot regardless.

This would be a gun I would have bought for my Dad. He had a thing for the Beretta 92 and this would be perfect.

That Walther P38 is a pretty cool design.

And crazy accurate too.

Looking for some advice. I've purchased and am learning to shoot and handle a Mossberg 500; I'm interested in learning to shoot a rifle as well. Is a Ruger 10/22 a good learning platform?

Yes. I highly recommend the 50th anniversary edition and then going to an Appleseed event.

TheHipGamer wrote:

Looking for some advice. I've purchased and am learning to shoot and handle a Mossberg 500; I'm interested in learning to shoot a rifle as well. Is a Ruger 10/22 a good learning platform?

Just as long as you stay away from a Brownell's catalog, you should be okay. The 10/22 is one of the most heavily modified platforms in all of firearms, so you will be sorely tempted to mod the hell out of it. At this point, you could practically make an entire gun out of the parts I have taken off my original one.

The 10/22 is an awesome platform. Like Paleo said they are addictive to modify. I have 3 and the only one that is stock never gets shot and it is just waiting on funds/time to modify it as well.

Second the Appleseed event. It will change the way you shoot forever.

fishdude wrote:

The 10/22 is an awesome platform. Like Paleo said they are addictive to modify. I have 3 and the only one that is stock never gets shot and it is just waiting on funds/time to modify it as well.

Second the Appleseed event. It will change the way you shoot forever.

Is there a political angle to Appleseed?

Everything firearm related is political, you just can't escape it. It's really hard being a lefty or neutral when you are involved in this business/hobby.

Edwin is right about politics in the gun industry. There is almost no way to avoid it.

The Appleseed folks do have an agenda. They teach of the events leading up to July 1776 and beyond. While I personally am very conservative I found the group I was with to be more history based than outright political. That said, there is plenty of opportunity for individuals to break from the "curriculum" and bastardize it tot heir own belief/agenda. While I enjoyed the history of the event I was there to learn how to properly use a sling and proper position shooting.

Sling and postures were a focus for when I shot in high school, thank Ghod. Just about the time the NRA was changing hands, well before it went full-bore crazy.

Sadly my school did not have a ROTC or shooting team until long after I had graduated. I went to Appleseed just to learn sling and positions. It has made my current endeavor into silhouette much more fun.

Now I need to find something like Appleseed for bullseye.