NBA 2K11 - Wow!

Yeah. I ended up bailing from the game. The presentation is incredible, but the steals are out of control. And MyPlayer isn't there yet. I want it to be like "Be A Pro" was in NHL. Where you could play sane quarters and and work your way up to the NBA. It's not the case, though.

I'm on PC.

Personally, I have little interest in "MyPlayer" mode, as I'm a Franchise mode kind of dude.

Steals weren't an issue for me personally, although I did have to find a slider set that worked for me, and then do a little tweaking to my pleasure. But I've put in two games, one a 115-90 rout of Toronto with the heat, and a 97-89 win over the Clippers with the Thunder. I had a blast both times, and while i'll still do some slider tweaking (especially if I win constantly/bump it up to All-Star), this is easily beating NHL 11 for my personal Sports GotY award. I'd have happily paid $60 for the 360 version.

Gdawg27 wrote:

There's a listing of the controls under "Advanced Controls" on the "My Controller" menu under options.

Oh not that, I mean like a actual card I can look at like what used to come with Mechwarrior and Flight Sims.

Complex as the game is, breaking someone down on the dribble neatly and taking it to the rack for 2 (or dishing out for a 3) in this is one of the most satisfying feelings I've had in a sports game in years.

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I cannot stop playing My Player. Cannot. I'm up to 74 overall now, am first in the ROTY race. FYI there's an achievement and milestone for winning ROTY and there's no way you'll win it with the stats you get over 5 minute quarters, I suggest 8 minutes and 12 for key games.

I finally realized why My Player is so much more fun than in the MLB product: baseball is an individual sport played as a team, whereas basketball is fully team-oriented. I didn't realize this until I got to the Rookies vs. Sophomores game in February.

I considered myself a good soldier, not requesting a trade from the lackluster (though over-performing at 33-23) Timberwolves. None of our starters are over a 75 rank, but we always seemed to do well enough with me as the premier scorer. Stepping onto the floor with John Wall at the point as opposed to Jonny Flynn was day and night. Even with the 8-minute quarters I exploded for 46 points. That dude's penetration and court vision are way, way better than anything I'd seen. Sometimes I get frustrated when I cut a good lane and get an open look only to be ignored for a flashy layup attempt that gets stuffed 75% of the time. Never happened with Wall.

I got even madder when I realized that I would have ended up on the Wizards if not for the game missing out on some of the trade business in the draft. I went at 23 to the Wolves, but in reality that pick was traded to the Wiz. Bah!

Ah well. We'll still likely make the playoffs. But I actually hate Lebron a little less now for not wanting to be the only star on his team. I think next season I'll ask to be sent to Chicago, Boston, or Washington. I want a PG that makes my job easier.

Shame we don't have more people on the same platform around here playing that mode. I think a GWJ crew could be a *lot* of fun.

What's that sister community we have? Drunken Gamers? Rock Paper Shotgun?

Blind_Evil wrote:

What's that sister community we have? Drunken Gamers? Rock Paper Shotgun?

Finding a solid sports gaming community is hard. It's more niche than we care to believe. It's complicated by the having a significant portion of the market as mouthbreating morons. People complain about CoD and Halo online. That pales in comparison to random pubtard games in any given sport.

Of course, the splitting of that market into different sports doesn't help. Heck, I started this thread, but I don't have time to delve into this game because of the time I am spending with NHL and NCAA.

I wish GWJ had a better sports gaming presence, but it just doesn't. It's hard to build without an infusion of idiocy. Just look at the forums of any sports team. And many of the sports loving Goodjers don't actually play sports games.

But I am still getting that itch to play NBA 2K11. I rented it for a week, and it really is all that it is cracked up to be.

It's tough to get a league going. I'd love an NBA Association mode with you guys. But I see how Madden dynasty is a little easier to pull off, with only 16 games vs 82. Still, just some casual My Player pickup games could be fun. Probably can just message each other on steam and then join up in-game.

It matters what you're looking for, and how you'd like it to go. Frankly, at this point, I get suspicious of any leagues over 8 for non-sim games (and by Sim I mean Out of the Park Baseball and the ilk) because it's just too easy to end up drafting someone in who's going to beat everyone by 50 (in any sport).

In honesty, I think the easiest sport to start a league of would be Soccer (play everyone else home and away) but GWJ has about four Europeans on it, so that's a non-starter.

Two things. One, when I got this, I played my game on Halloween, and noticed the little Holiday presentation changes, along with the fact that, if you play a game in the morning, they say "Hello and wake up to NBA 2K11!"

Best. Presentation. Ever.

I just played a astonishingly good game, Heat vs. Orlando, me as the heat. We were AWFUL out of the gate, down 17 with 10 left in the 2nd. Then LeBron got hot, and we started burying J's and 3's, took the lead with 2:21 left in the 4th and the American Airlines Arena going NUTS and the crowd chanting "M-V-P!" for LeBron as he came off a screen and buried an and-1 over Rashard Lewis.

Maybe it's that I haven't played a NBA game in over 5 years now, but holy hell, am I loving this.

Prederick wrote:

It matters what you're looking for, and how you'd like it to go. Frankly, at this point, I get suspicious of any leagues over 8 for non-sim games (and by Sim I mean Out of the Park Baseball and the ilk) because it's just too easy to end up drafting someone in who's going to beat everyone by 50 (in any sport).

Too freaking true. There is an art to both finding a league to join, or figuring out to to let in. But it comes from having messed around with online leagues since FBPro 98. While GWJ is actually a nice place to find guys that take the game serious, but not so serious it ruins the fun, numbers are always a problem. I really wish we could get a hockey league going, and we have several fans of the sport and game.

But I'm glad NCAA 11 limits the league to 12, because it is the ability to go over that that ruined the fun of a Madden league here. But that's a debate for another time.

Two things. One, when I got this, I played my game on Halloween, and noticed the little Holiday presentation changes, along with the fact that, if you play a game in the morning, they say "Hello and wake up to NBA 2K11!"

Best. Presentation. Ever.

I just played a astonishingly good game, Heat vs. Orlando, me as the heat. We were AWFUL out of the gate, down 17 with 10 left in the 2nd. Then LeBron got hot, and we started burying J's and 3's, took the lead with 2:21 left in the 4th and the American Airlines Arena going NUTS and the crowd chanting "M-V-P!" for LeBron as he came off a screen and buried an and-1 over Rashard Lewis.

Maybe it's that I haven't played a NBA game in over 5 years now, but holy hell, am I loving this.

You know, I'm notoriously bearish on presentation. I just want a strong strategic element to my sports game, and some semblance that my decisions will result in fairly realistic results. I'm so familiar with how wrong that can go with so many games over the years that bells and whistles have stopped being something I even care about long ago.

But dammit if 2K has not come up with a presentation style that is so compelling that it makes it hard to go back to other games where it is not available. It was done so well in MLB 2K10 that it was smeting I looked forward to as I played along with my team during the season. And the extra touches on holidays really draw you into the game. But having the commentary be aware of the current events in the real world just floors me every time.

So while I still love NHL 11 like I always have, knowing NBA 2K11 is pulling this off almost makes me want to switch. If I was a bigger NBA fan I would be all over it in a heartbeat. And having had a taste of it, I'm missing it in a game that has never ever had that kind of presentation. But I when I boot up to play the Blues vs. Boston later, hearing them talk about the goals Perron and D'agostini scored last night, and the scoreless period streak Halak is on really would make it a deeper experience for me.

Throw in the overlays of recent and season long stats, and you realize that THIS is how you leverage the web to make games better. In fact, if 2K is adding this functionality to NHL 2K12, EA could lose me to what might be an inferior game. And I think NHL 11's presentation is actually pretty good. But overall, EA has never shown to have an understanding on how to do presentation right. Madden and NCAA are awful in those regards.

But NFL 2K5 was the start of really making presentation a positive part of the game experience instead of a silly gimmick. It's cool to see where they have taken it.

Yep, EA is wasting too much time figuring out how to charge people extra money for online or keep people from buying used to bother with enriching the experience.

Even something as simple as the 2k Ticker in 2k10 was huge. While you're playing 2k10, you can get all the scores from last night's real NBA, NFL, NHL, or NCAA basketball/football games. It's just like the ticker running across ESPN all the time, but it's in the game!

I popped my player into a pickup game for my first online basketball experience ever. It was weird. I got a B- grade, which is okay but well below what I get normally.

I noticed the free throw shooting and shooting timing generally was very different. Is this a product of the difficulty being different or was it latency?

Jayhawker wrote:

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Speaking as one of the biggest proponents of the school of "Gameplay before Graphics", I really do have to hand it to 2K, because the presentation isn't something that just happens during the game, it is a total part of it. There are tons of great little touches, and so few repeats that it seems fresh every time.

That and, like I said, playing it is a blast. I have always loved 2K's capability to show you the difference between the Elite players and the chaff (I always thought EA wasn't very good at this, not without using BS special abilities as in NCAA), although 2K's games certainly have been known to err a little too hard in favor of the elite (Terrell Owens in NFL 2K5 was literally unstoppable). But when they get it right, it's amazing. If I play it smart, Carmelo's going to drop 25+, and there's nothing that really can be dumb about it. If I take crappy shots, he might make 20 just because of his ability.

Also, do not go anywhere near Dwight Howard in the paint. The man is a absolute BEAST.

Prederick wrote:

Also, do not go anywhere near Dwight Howard in the paint. The man is a absolute BEAST.

My PF (Now rated 78!) has a much harder time with the Lakers' trio of huge assholes, Gasol-Bynum-Odom. At 6'10, it's weird to be the shortest big man on the court.

I started a My Player, or whatever it's called yesterday and I don't see myself spending too much time with this.. it just seems broken.

I played 2 draft combine games with my "Athletic" point guard, and the rating/grading system seems totally broken. I would get penalized left and right for the littlest things, like trying a steal and not getting it... yet none of my assists were getting recorded? A wide open 3 point attempt was viewed as Poor Shot Selection.

Wondering what other's thoughts are on this mode. Could be good with some patching I suppose.

El-Producto wrote:

I started a My Player, or whatever it's called yesterday and I don't see myself spending too much time with this.. it just seems broken.

I played 2 draft combine games with my "Athletic" point guard, and the rating/grading system seems totally broken. I would get penalized left and right for the littlest things, like trying a steal and not getting it... yet none of my assists were getting recorded? A wide open 3 point attempt was viewed as Poor Shot Selection.

Wondering what other's thoughts are on this mode. Could be good with some patching I suppose.

I love it, well documented in this thread. I certainly have my issues with the grading system, but as you learn your player's abilities you figure out what the coach wants you to do and doesn't. On-ball steal attempts are a bad idea generally, a good PG will burn you for it. My bigger issue comes from a very loose interpretation of who your "man" is on defense. Sometimes I'll be covering the center and get knocked down a bit when the SF scores. The amount of loss depends on my proximity to the play it seems. It's a bit inconsistent.

If it's ranking you down for taking threes, you might need to up your skill with them before your coach considers it a good idea. When I was starting my PF, anything outside of 10 feet from the basket was a bad shot selection. Now that my medium shooting is maxed, anything except threes are game.

As far as assists go, the game doesn't use the loose definition of "the guy who touched the ball before a score." Your pass has to lead to the bucket. If you dump it off to your PF and he backs down to the post and drops in a layup, the basket was all his work. If you hit someone as they're cutting he lane for an easy layup, that's more to your credit. Generally if the basket is scored more than 3 seconds after the pass you won't get the assist.

I'm planning on making a new guy soon enough. I'm not done with my PF, I want to get him into the 90s (79 now), but I get frustrated with our PG enough to want to give it a shot myself. I'm hoping to get drafted onto a middling team with a good scoring big. As much as it was cool going 45-37 with the damned Timberwolves, being the only person above a 72 overall becomes tiring against the teams with 3 or more star-level players. I also want to build my ball handling knowledge, and that ain't happening with my 6'10" guy.

I do remember being extremely frustrated at first with the grading system, but I got past it and my average grade is now A-. If you want to get into it, I just suggest more practice. There's nothing wrong with ignoring it, though.

Yeah it was 90% solid last year, and it sounds like this year has only been improved. Last year, for instance, your PG might cover your man in transition, so you pick up his guy. And then if your man scored on the PG you would get docked for "allowing your man to score." Sounds like they improved that this year to account for switching screens and/or transition defense.

Only other problem last year was things like "bad steal attempt" and "successful steal" on the same play. Or negative for a foul on the fast break to stop a layup, but then positive for good shot defense on the same play.

Not sure how those have been smoothed out. But last year's base was very solid, and it sounds like they just made it better this year. It does focus on a team game, and on playing good defense, rebounding, etc... not just scoring a bunch. Early on when I was struggling to make grades I would set lots of screens for my teammates. Easy positive points, and helpful to your offense, especially when you start and your shooting ratings are low.

Stele wrote:

Only other problem last year was things like "bad steal attempt" and "successful steal" on the same play. Or negative for a foul on the fast break to stop a layup, but then positive for good shot defense on the same play. :?

I've never seen bad steal attempt on a successful steal, but then I don't attempt many as a PF. Regarding the fouls, you generally get docked really hard if you allow a three point opportunity. The rest are pretty contextual. Sometimes if I break up an easy dunk or layup I get "good foul" with a small increase. Other times it waits until the free throws are shot, and if he misses one you get points for the foul.

I have some interesting observations from the end of my first season in My Player, in case anyone else is curious about how things work.

We made the playoffs and lost to the Nuggets in 7 games. I averaged 33 points, 16 rebounds, 4 blocks, and 3 assists. My team did everything in their power to lose. I wasn't aware, but I was a free agent after the Heat won the title. The T'wolves also asked me what players to pursue, so I told them three centers and two shooting guards. None were signed, my loyalty revoked.

So you have four teams to choose from after the year. The teams do change if you restart the game and reload your file. There are no autosaves between the end of your last game and your team choice.

Here's the weird part: Carmelo Anthony was the big prize of the free agent class. I reloaded eight times to find a team whose setup I was happy with. Every time, whichever team Carmelo signed with offered my a contract. Is it possible I impressed the hell out of him in the playoffs and he told his new team to pursue me? Eight times seems like a lot for it to just be coincidence. If that's the case, I'm more impressed by the GM AI than I have been at any sports game.

I wound up going with the Kings. A starting lineup of...

DeMarcus Cousins C
Myself (Benjamin De La Rosa) PF
Carmelo Anthony SF
Tyreke Evans SG
Beno Udrih PG

...sounded too good at present and heading forward to pass up. We could use a better PG, but whatever. They also got the first pick in the '11 draft, a SF rated at 77. If it were up to me I'd move Evans to PG and that guy starting at SG. I did pass up a rather nice Carmelo-infused Warriors squad for concern for nobody being over 6'10", but this seems to be a team headed in the right direction.

I do note that while 2K has made enourmous steps forward with things like player personalities and team chemistry (at least, as opposed to EA), there's still some work to be done. If you can find me the dimension where the Nuggets would trade Carmelo straight-up for Amar'e, I will buy you a horse.

Loving this game. Playing season with celtics on All-Star I think. Lost my first 3 games, and I'm not sure if there isn't a bit of CPU cheating going on. I was killing the Knicks last night, and in the 4th quarter everything fell apart, and I ended up losing.

I'm back playing this again after my earlier protestations. The CPU does indeed "anticipate" passing lanes a little too aggressively and unrealistically. Otherwise, though, I've figured out how to pass in this game and play well. Honestly, a lot of it comes down to talent. Like the ratings actually matter now. If your PG is Rajon Rondo (I traded Brandon Roy for Rondo) you can thread the needle in a way you can't with an average guard. So you have to know your personal and use them properly.

I'm playing on the 360. If anyone is interested in random pickup games let me know.

El-Producto wrote:

Loving this game. Playing season with celtics on All-Star I think. Lost my first 3 games, and I'm not sure if there isn't a bit of CPU cheating going on. I was killing the Knicks last night, and in the 4th quarter everything fell apart, and I ended up losing.

There are some fantastic slider sets available at OS that make Pro perfectly fun, from the commentary i've seen, that seems to be the most "even" level of play. I still haven't bumped up to All-Star yet, having lost on Pro to the Celtics in my Knicks season by 4 (we made a late, late run after being down 23 but never got any closer than 4, damn that Paul Pierce), and getting crushed by Golden State by 18 (they just killed us with the three ball), but we housed Toronto and got a 5 point-win in a back-and-forth game with Chicago. From what i've seen/read, I've heard that All-Star introduces a smidgen much catch-up logic, and Superstar is for those of us who hate ourselves.

DSGamer wrote:

I'm back playing this again after my earlier protestations. The CPU does indeed "anticipate" passing lanes a little too aggressively and unrealistically. Otherwise, though, I've figured out how to pass in this game and play well. Honestly, a lot of it comes down to talent. Like the ratings actually matter now. If your PG is Rajon Rondo (I traded Brandon Roy for Rondo) you can thread the needle in a way you can't with an average guard. So you have to know your personal and use them properly.

There is literally a slider for the aggressive CPU pass interceptions. Under Tendencies, just turn the CPU's "Play Passing Lanes" or something down. Even 5 points makes a huge difference, which is nice. I have mine set at like 42 I think.

And good lord, does it ever matter who's doing the passing. Try running a break with Glen Davis or Bill Cartwright, and watch as the ball goes sailing into the stands. Then run a break with Steve Nash. Unless the pass you're trying is horrible, he'll get it through. I had him D'ed up on a drive to the net once, and he passed it through my legs to Hedo for the jam.

Then run a break with Steve Nash. Unless the pass you're trying is horrible, he'll get it through. I had him D'ed up on a drive to the net once, and he passed it through my legs to Hedo for the jam.

Okay, that rocks!

firesloth wrote:
Then run a break with Steve Nash. Unless the pass you're trying is horrible, he'll get it through. I had him D'ed up on a drive to the net once, and he passed it through my legs to Hedo for the jam.

Okay, that rocks!

That is sweet. I love this game now that I've learned how to pass. I'd love to play with some GWJers. It doesn't have an online league feature, right?

Online quick play, online association, online playoff tournaments, online my player pickup games. Should have everything that last year had.

Damn you enablers...

firesloth wrote:

Damn you enablers...

As much as I am loving NHL 11, this is really making me want to switch over...

The Blues losing 8-1 last night to Columbus didn't help.

Teams score more than 4 goals in hockey? Damn.

Jayhawker wrote:
firesloth wrote:

Damn you enablers...

As much as I am loving NHL 11, this is really making me want to switch over...

The Blues losing 8-1 last night to Columbus didn't help.

Yeah; I've been tempted by NHL 11, FIFA 11, and this game. Through EA's store, you can get NHL or FIFA for $40. However, this just seemed more interesting. I've not played an NBA game since 2k1 or so.

So, even though I bought this, I've been thinking that sports games are eating up too much of my gaming time these days. As in, all I have time to play these days is NCAA 11 while I have RDR, Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake, etc. at home through Goozex trades that I've either not played at all or only very little. To me that looks like gaming excess!

firesloth wrote:

So, even though I bought this, I've been thinking that sports games are eating up too much of my gaming time these days. As in, all I have time to play these days is NCAA 11 while I have RDR, Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake, etc. at home through Goozex trades that I've either not played at all or only very little. To me that looks like gaming excess!

A million times this. I have to say I'm really enjoying the NCAA 11 league, but I wonder if overall it is ruining my overall gaming experience. I like NHL 11 better, but it is not league friendly for a variety of reasons. So bouncing between these two games leaves very little time for some of the games in my pile, as well as games I want to put in my pile. I really need some Alan Wake time. I purchased Mass Effect through XBL, and that needs some love. I've been listening to Idle Thumbs, and now have a craving for Far Cry 2. And suddenly I thin I should be playing Fallout 3. None of those games play well with a sports gamer that has a life.

The number of steals don't actually bother me, as I find it forces me to make good passes. It seems if I make the effort to pass only to open people I have very few turnovers.

I've been listening to Idle Thumbs, and now have a craving for Far Cry 2. And suddenly I thin I should be playing Fallout 3. None of those games play well with a sports gamer that has a life.

Haha...well, I've been thinking about Fallout 3, as well. Stupid podcasts! I only got to Megaton before getting bored/frustrated with it. At the time, though, I didn't know much about RPGs. Now that I've played through Mass Effect and Borderlands, I think I understand a bit more how the developers want you to play them.

I'm about halfway through Far Cry 2. Great game once you get one weapon class up from where you start (those weapons are really pea-shooters). But, it's also one that you have to be in the mood to approach, as there's a lot of sameness and driving in it.

And, you're right about the "...and a life." bit.

Still, I'm really enjoying NCAA 11. Sure I'm spending a lot of time with it, and occasionally when the CPU cheats to win, I feel like that time isn't justified. But there are other games where the CPU plays you straight up, and those can just be magnificent. Last night I was playing a bowl game as Louisville vs. Middle Tennessee State. I had been down the whole game due to sloppy defense and throwing 3 picks (all justified). I tied it with about a minute to go. I assumed the CPU would drive down and get a FG. But, on 2nd-and-10, I called a weak side blitz that hit the QB as he threw...the ball landed right in the hands of my MLB on the 35 yard line. I ran the ball up the gut about 5 times to kill the clock and kicked a game-winning FG as time ran out.

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I'm really looking forward to playing this NBA 2k11!

El-Producto wrote:

The number of steals don't actually bother me, as I find it forces me to make good passes. It seems if I make the effort to pass only to open people I have very few turnovers.

Yeah, with time, my turnovers are usually due to one of three things -

1.) Bad passes
2.) Trying a difficult pass with a bad passer
3.) Great defenders.

Also, do not leave John Wall alone anywhere. He dropped 28 and 14 on me last night.