GOG is gone (Ha, NOT!)

Ulairi wrote:

That's a fallacy. The issue is now GOG's customer service or is the stupid PR gimmick [sic]?

I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make (or your grammar). GOG needed to take their site down for a while to make some upgrades and add some features. Fine. Good customer service in this instance would've been to tell people in advance so that they can make whatever purchases they want or redownload any games they've already purchased prior to the shutdown. Taking the site down with no notice was poor customer service. Their braindead PR stunt was EXTREMELY poor customer service.

Don't make me angry GOG.

You won't like me when I'm angry.

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hbi2k wrote:

I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make (or your grammar). GOG needed to take their site down for a while to make some upgrades and add some features. Fine. Good customer service in this instance would've been to tell people in advance so that they can make whatever purchases they want or redownload any games they've already purchased prior to the shutdown. Taking the site down with no notice was poor customer service. Their braindead PR stunt was EXTREMELY poor customer service.

Exactly.

It's not that they did any actual damage, I wasn't going to re-download during those couple of days. ...but from a PR point-of-view, they ruined their reputation for me. What the stunt makes me think is, "If they make incredibly dumb decisions like this, what other dumb decisions are they making... with my credit card info? With my demographic information?" Whether or not I'm "owed" something after my initial purchase and download is irrelevant.

Ranger Rick wrote:

It's not that they did any actual damage, I wasn't going to re-download during those couple of days. ...but from a PR point-of-view, they ruined their reputation for me. What the stunt makes me think is, "If they make incredibly dumb decisions like this, what other dumb decisions are they making... with my credit card info? With my demographic information?" Whether or not I'm "owed" something after my initial purchase and download is irrelevant.

Yes. I wish the "they're back, don't get all worked up" crowd would understand that a quite a few people are going to feel this way. I now see GoG as a company that Does Dumb Things and that's going to be in my head the next time I think about making a purchase from them.

Their perspective is interesting -- it shows how Steam is changing our expectations without us even realizing it. They thought they were in the business of selling games -- they sell it, we download it, transaction done. We thought they were in the business of providing access to games, and got pissed off when they stopped doing that, even temporarily.

In theory, we shouldn't be dependent on them at all, but Steam is teaching us bad habits.

As I said earlier, I don't think steam has ever said in their legal stuff that you were 'buying a game' but a one off payment for a subscription to a service that would let you play a certain game. They say a lot about 'accessing' your games on steam, but not about owning them. In fact, searching google for "site:steampowered.com buy" only finds ingame use of 'buy' such as buying weapons in counter-strike or external sites.

It seems "buying games" is a defunct term, but when someone says that they are miscommunicating what is going on, but it remains a common thing to hear.

Apologies if I missed this in skimming, but it seems maybe there's more to the Baldur's Gate coup than just one game?

GOG is commemorating the 2nd anniversary with a new site, brand new features and the massive announcement of a deal with Hasbro to breathe new life into some of the most desired titles in PC gaming history, including BioWare’s role-playing opus, Baldur’s Gate: The Original Saga. The titles from Hasbro will be unveiled gradually in the coming weeks, and today's announcement is just a small taste of what’s to come.

Now, Wizards of the Coast bought TSR, and then Hasbro bought WotC, right? But Hasbro *also* bought Avalon Hill before that--does this mean we might get to seem some long gone AH (micro)computer games?

Well they do say "six more hasbro titles coming soon". Read into that what you will.

CheezePavilion wrote:

Now, Wizards of the Coast bought TSR, and then Hasbro bought WotC, right? But Hasbro *also* bought Avalon Hill before that--does this mean we might get to seem some long gone AH (micro)computer games?

I got really excited for a second but then I realized that I was confusing TSR with SSI. I'd like to replay some of the old SSI games (Dark Sun: Shattered Lands was awesome) but Ubisoft owns those. We'll see.

So what Hasbro titles do you think would be possible releases?

Dysplastic wrote:
CheezePavilion wrote:

Now, Wizards of the Coast bought TSR, and then Hasbro bought WotC, right? But Hasbro *also* bought Avalon Hill before that--does this mean we might get to seem some long gone AH (micro)computer games?

I got really excited for a second but then I realized that I was confusing TSR with SSI. I'd like to replay some of the old SSI games (Dark Sun: Shattered Lands was awesome) but Ubisoft owns those. We'll see.

So what Hasbro titles do you think would be possible releases?

Hmm, I think TSR bought SSI at some point. Maybe it was just licensed by WotC/Hasbro (that sounds like a lolcat: "I has bro"/NO they be stealin' mai bro!) to Ubisoft? That's the other issue: this stuff will wind up in Golden Eye limbo where the rights passing around like mono in a middle school makes it tough to get a remake made.

I'd like a nice copy of AH's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich given the GOG treatment to run on a modern computer. Did they ever do a computer version of Diplomacy? There was a version of History of the World, never played it though.

CheezePavilion wrote:

Hmm, I think TSR bought SSI at some point. Maybe it was just licensed by WotC/Hasbro (that sounds like a lolcat: "I has bro"/NO they be stealin' mai bro!) to Ubisoft? That's the other issue: this stuff will wind up in Golden Eye limbo where the rights passing around like mono in a middle school makes it tough to get a remake made.

As far as I (or Wikipedia) know, TSR never owned SSI, just licensed stuff to them. So the SSI AD&D games are probably in rights limbo.

CheezePavilion wrote:

Apologies if I missed this in skimming, but it seems maybe there's more to the Baldur's Gate coup than just one game?

Nightmare mentioned this yesterday in IRC, but BG could also mean that the licensing/IP rights issues with Interplay's games might be settled now.

If so, Starfleet Command 2? Please?

misplacedbravado wrote:

As far as I (or Wikipedia) know, TSR never owned SSI, just licensed stuff to them. So the SSI AD&D games are probably in rights limbo.

Ah, okay. I did a little digging and found this:

In the late 1980s, SSI signed a deal with TSR, Inc., to publish official Dungeons and Dragons computer games. The "Gold Box" D&D games took the company in new directions. Although SSI never stopped publishing war games, the D&D license quickly became the main source of income and produced their best-known products.

The loss of the D&D license to Interplay was the swan song for SSI as an independent company. No longer dominant in their original wargame market and suddenly without their primary franchise, the company was acquired by Mindscape in 1994. It changed hands several times after that - from Mindscape to The Learning Company, Mattel Interactive, The Gores Group and finally to Ubi Soft. Ubi Soft used the SSI logo and name on some of their titles, including Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor and Destroyer Command, but has since retired the brand.

http://www.mobygames.com/company/str...

So Ubisoft *does* own SSI like Dysplastic said. So yeah--who knows what the rights situation is for DnD computer games that came out of SSI.

If they re-release the old computer version of the 1830 board game, that remains among the better jobs of AI I've ever seen. The computer players are wicked tough. I still play it on a fairly regular basis.

It's a rather arcane board game, with everything fully open to inspection at all times. There's only one random element -- the person that moves first. Everything else is arbitrated by rules. You're trying to become the wealthiest railroad tycoon, whether by building the best routes, sabotaging your competitors, manipulating the stock market, or some combination of the above. The computer players are good at it.

It's that game that has made me curse AMD's name over and over, because they took 16-bit compatibility out of 64-bit mode. On Hard difficulty or higher, the computer players do a hell of a lot of number crunching, and turns can take a long time. It's playable on DOSBox on a fast computer, but it's irritating -- it would be so much nicer if you could be running that AI code at 3 GHZ, instead of a virtualized 100Mhz. Before DOSBox did JIT compilation, the game was unplayable... now it's just sluggish on Hard mode. Probably faster than human players would be, but still.

Stupid AMD. Curse their descendants unto twenty generations.

They just released Planescape Torment.

gewy wrote:

I'm a bit annoyed, but, GOG, all is forgiven if you bring me Planescape Torment and Fantasy General.

So.....I guess half is forgiven now?

Sorry, I just got back. I was gone for a minute happily picking up Planescape: Torment.

If this is the way these guys apologize for bad PR stunts, I can't wait for them to screw up again.

"We had sex with your mom! Fantasy General releases next week!"

sithload wrote:

"We had sex with your mom nine months before you were born! Consider Fantasy General to be 23 years worth of birthday presents from your real dad."

Yonder wrote:
sithload wrote:

"We had sex with your mom nine months before you were born! Consider Fantasy General to be 23 years worth of birthday presents from your real dad."

I'd prefer Steel Panthers I to be honest, if we've descended to that level.

GoG.com apparently received enough flak for their stunt to open ye olde purse strings.

I got an email this morning titled "Thanks for being with us," thusly summarized: Thanks for the support, anyone with an account created before the beta launch will be receiving Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games for free. Also, Strategy First's catalogue will be 50% off for a bit. People already owning Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games will receive an alternate gift.

I've never played a Jagged Alliance game and couldn't name you a Strategy First game. Yay for getting your first PC in 2002.

Blind_Evil wrote:

GoG.com apparently received enough flak for their stunt to open ye olde purse strings.

I got an email this morning titled "Thanks for being with us," thusly summarized: Thanks for the support, anyone with an account created before the beta launch will be receiving Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games for free. Also, Strategy First's catalogue will be 50% off for a bit. People already owning Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games will receive an alternate gift.

I've never played a Jagged Alliance game and couldn't name you a Strategy First game. Yay for getting your first PC in 2002.

I heart GoG. I already had Deadly Games so I went with Ghost Master from the alternate list. If would of been Sacred Gold if I didn't already own that too.

stauf7 wrote:
Blind_Evil wrote:

GoG.com apparently received enough flak for their stunt to open ye olde purse strings.

I got an email this morning titled "Thanks for being with us," thusly summarized: Thanks for the support, anyone with an account created before the beta launch will be receiving Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games for free. Also, Strategy First's catalogue will be 50% off for a bit. People already owning Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games will receive an alternate gift.

I've never played a Jagged Alliance game and couldn't name you a Strategy First game. Yay for getting your first PC in 2002.

I heart GoG. I already had Deadly Games so I went with Ghost Master from the alternate list. If would of been Sacred Gold if I didn't already own that too. :)

I would have preferred Sacred Gold than Jagged Alliance :/ Wonder if it'll run on this laptop.

I wish it was Jagged Alliance 2 so I could have any idea of what's going on in the game
Still a nice gesture though.

Grr, I bought JA through Steam, when GoG didn't have it yet.

Malor wrote:

Grr, I bought JA through Steam, when GoG didn't have it yet.

An email to GoG might get you something else, they're pretty reasonable.

The response to this whole website shutdown farce was pretty ridiculous. Then again, I played the hell out of all 10 games I've bought from them, so my goodwill for the site is pretty high. Free game though, cool.

Never been that interested in Jagged Alliance, but hey...somethin' for nothin'. I'll download it after work!

Ok...Arise....

What are they doing now? You would think that they would try to do a better job of leading their customers. I first saw this here

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You can still get to the catalogue. Click one of the links towards the bottom, and you can get to the games from there.

That's not the front page, it's just a cryptic advertisement for some upcoming game. Perhaps Police Quest. The text seems to indicate Zork though. I don't know what the monster in the top right corner is.

Edit: Looks like the images from the top right come from the Beyond Zork manual, according to comments here: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011...

Yea, all the text is 100% Zork.