Soccer Gaming Catch-All

I tried the Demo, and... in my life, I really only have time for like FM and maybe ONE other game right now. It was going to be NBA 2K20 but...

Call me insane, but I kinda wanna do PES this year? Even fully under the knowledge that I probably won't play the game for a month until the fine members of the online community have released a massive kit and team update so i'm not playing WEST LONDON WHITE anymore?

Also, they'd better let me create a manager, because I don't want to be ANY of those guys.

Prederick wrote:

I tried the Demo, and... in my life, I really only have time for like FM and maybe ONE other game right now. It was going to be NBA 2K20 but...

Call me insane, but I kinda wanna do PES this year? Even fully under the knowledge that I probably won't play the game for a month until the fine members of the online community have released a massive kit and team update so i'm not playing WEST LONDON WHITE anymore?

Also, they'd better let me create a manager, because I don't want to be ANY of those guys.

I read some early reviews, played some of the demo, and decided to go for it. Ordered it on Amazon, 15 EUR cheaper for two days waiting until delivery.

The reviews I read spoke highly of the match gameplay and improved menu's, and were critical of the single player modes. But I don't care, I just want to play a game here or there. Should be interesting to play Anderlecht with Kompany and Nasri, as the Belgian Pro League is fully licensed.

I have always been a EA FIFA fanboy mostly because I loved the license stuff and the Virtual Pro online game play with friends. They have been minimizing investment in that over the last several seasons so if this one doesn't do well, I may opt for PES.

I've just never enjoyed FIFA's gameplay the way I did PES's. Neither is perfect and both games still infuriate me that the difficulty level you're playing on is far, far, FAR more important than the team you're playing (there is nothing I hate in gaming more than taking on freaking Swindon Town and watching them play like Barcelona because it's on one of the hardest difficulty levels).

But if I had t choose I'd go with PES, even though as much as I'd like to pretend gameplay >>>> licenses, the utter lack of licenses does begin to grate. Like I said, if I get it, it'll only be once I figure out where to go to get a big data update fixing a bunch of the kits/logos/team names.

Okay, pulled the trigger on PES. Haven't had a chance to play it yet but it'll be downloaded and ready to go soon as I'm off work.

This is the first year one of these games isn't going to be a day one purchase for me. FIFA just doesn't do it for me anymore, even the pros have been saying that the game is going downhill from what I've seen. Just got the point of feeling the gameplay isn't there anymore, with all the focus being on ensuring the whales continue to spend on packs.

I'm more tempted to give PES a go if it has a decent online; that being games are stable enough to play - all I want to do it play a few games for a bit of online competition; the ultimate team on FIFA outside anyone who isn't willing to either dedicate most of their time to it or spend hundreds.

I know a few people who have dropped off FIFA recently, and heard a few rumblings this year from others who say they're all in for PES after giving the demo a whirl. I'm never one for graphics either, but the stills of PES in game look amazing!

On top of that, I'm also considering not purchasing FM20, which will be my first none Sports Interative purchase since...Championship Manager 3! I'm just fairly happy with my FM19 game and not really in the mood to start over since my time dedicated to FM has massively reduced over the years.

To summarise - Rocket League is the one true soccer game

I got and played PES 2020 the last week, mostly the Master League. And honestly, I 100% agree with the Eurogamer review

PES 2020 is a patch or three away from being a very good game. As it stands, it's a weird mix of brilliant and broken.

PES 2020 is a weird game. At times I couldn't help but think, is this the best PES ever? Gameplay wise, I mean. The ball... PES 2020's ball is a thing of beauty, the best video game football I've ever virtually kicked. It feels weighty, it bounces realistically and travels through the air in delicious arcs David Beckham birthed in his pomp.

The animations... PES 2020's player animations are a joy to behold. Outside of the boot flicked through balls to overlapping full-backs, no-look crosses, deft chips, and, when players collide, realistic scraps for possession. The fluidity of motion in this game is something else. It's rare that you'll see a player do that jarring sports video game thing of sliding into place to force an animation to meet the ball, or jerk unnaturally as he realises his atoms should be in one position over another.

But then, there's a lot that's not great about the on-pitch action in this year's PES. I'd even go as far as to call some aspects of the gameplay broken.

The broken parts (mostly players standing still while the ball rolls by) will be specifically addressed in the upcoming patch, so here's hoping. Otherwise it really really is an amazing game of footie. Get this: it actually looks better than FIFA! Everything else, the game modes, the menu's, the commentary are as underwhelming and stale as ever. How Konami redid the menu structure is so emblematic of PES: the top menu is reinvigorated, tighter and up to 2019 standards. But every other submenu is simply thrown under there, in the exact same format and style as the last 7 iterations. It's like one of those company intranet sites with a flashy frontend that clicks through to a Sharepoint folder structure.

Oh and I also love this nugget from the Eurogamer review of FIFA 20:

FIFA 20 is all these things but it's also better than FIFA 19. I've already played loads of games against Eurogamer's second-best FIFA player, Chris Tapsell, and I've had a great laugh. I've scored some screamers. I've lost to added time goals. We've leapt off the sofa at shocking refereeing decisions, missed open goals by Marcus Rashford and magic from Mason Mount. We've picked apart the game, worked out what's changed, what's better and what's worse. We've had bloody good fun. And it's all undermined by corporate greed and a stubborn refusal to do what's right.

A bit like real football, then.

Dejanzie, can you check something out in PES 2020 for me? There is a rumour that the CL 'anthem' gets booed at City's ground (or Man Blue or whatever they're called). Is this correct ?

davet010 wrote:

Dejanzie, can you check something out in PES 2020 for me? There is a rumour that the CL 'anthem' gets booed at City's ground (or Man Blue or whatever they're called). Is this correct ?

Oh my I'll check tonight, should be interesting. The CL anthem shouldn't be in there as Konami lost the UEFA license to EA, but I suppose you mean whatever they replaced it with.

Also of note: the teams are no longer called Man Blue or London FC, they're closer to the real thing (Manchester B and Chelsea B)

There was no ruckus during the PES equivalent of the Champions league, there wasn't even a hymn.

You might call these rumors you heard...

Spoiler:

fake boos

YEEEEEAAAAAAAH...

dejanzie wrote:

You might call these rumors you heard...

Spoiler:

fake boos

YEEEEEAAAAAAAH...

(I'm thinking... wait until Halloween for PES? The best option file is apparently $12, which I'm fine with for the work that goes into it.)

Eh, screw it. I splurged on PES 2020. I feel like NBA 2K is a "every other year" game anyway, and I haven't played PES since 2017. Bought the edit file too, and it looks glorious.

Prederick wrote:

Eh, screw it. I splurged on PES 2020. I feel like NBA 2K is a "every other year" game anyway, and I haven't played PES since 2017. Bought the edit file too, and it looks glorious.

ONE OF US. ONE OF US.*

*by us, I mean me

Which Option file did you get? I haven't installed any, as it deactivates anytime another user logs in.

PESUniverse's.

I stayed up way too late tonight starting my Master League game with Fulham and WOW. This is the best feeling game of PES I've played in years. Especially in terms of the difference between teams. I played Leeds and went up 2-0, and they stormed back to take a point, and then I played Luton and only won 3-1, when it absolutely could've been 6 or 7.

That's something I've wanted in games for years now. No matter the difficulty level, playing Manchester City should not feel the same as playing Yeovil.

This is the first year since I can remember that I haven't bought a PES or a FIFA on launch day.

If I do get one, it'll probably be PES around Christmas time. The last FIFA just absolutely killed it for me, the Ultimate Team thing has just become too much.

Ultimate Team is one of those things that seems really cool to me (even with the loot boxes), but the way the cards seem to inflate through the season just makes it seem extra predatory to me.

But I've never owned a FIFA or PES game. I think I rented FIFA for a week way back in the Gamecube days.

I get around this by buying FIFA and then never spending a second in FUT mode.

I did just get Forest Green a premiership title in career mode though, after 11 seasons of effort.

At Old Trafford no less.

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Prederick wrote:

PESUniverse's.

I stayed up way too late tonight starting my Master League game with Fulham and WOW. This is the best feeling game of PES I've played in years. Especially in terms of the difference between teams. I played Leeds and went up 2-0, and they stormed back to take a point, and then I played Luton and only won 3-1, when it absolutely could've been 6 or 7.

That's something I've wanted in games for years now. No matter the difficulty level, playing Manchester City should not feel the same as playing Yeovil.

Oh definitely. Pace used to be the only quality differentiator, and even than I remember an Anderlecht player like Acheampong - who could run the 100m in 10 seconds but had mediocre technique - being outpaced by any Premier League right back because skill level gets squashed out. Now I can really feel the difference between fielding a midfield with technical/low physique players or strong/footwork of a tower crane ones. The physicality of midfield duels is a thing to behold.

The on the ball battles really feel great, yeah. Also, the goalkeepers are so much smarter and better animated than FIFA's.

I'm sticking with Basic shooting at the moment, as I'm not quite good enough for Advanced, but this just feels like a very, very strong game to me. I even feel like they've finally tweaked free kicks enough that you don't have to be the greatest player on earth to have a shot at scoring one. Maybe it's because I haven't played PES in three years, but I'm like five or six games in and I'm quite genuinely blown away. It's the most I've enjoyed one of these games out of the box in years. Which makes me wonder if the way to best enjoy these kind of games is to only buy them every other year (or maybe every 3) to give them time to make real, serious, obvious changes and improvements.

Roke wrote:

Ultimate Team is one of those things that seems really cool to me (even with the loot boxes), but the way the cards seem to inflate through the season just makes it seem extra predatory to me.

Mr Bismarck wrote:

I get around this by buying FIFA and then never spending a second in FUT mode.

It is monumentally predatory, and borderline gambling. I took the same appraoch with NBA 2K that Bismarck did though: Never, ever, ever touch those modes.

Clusks wrote:

This is the first year since I can remember that I haven't bought a PES or a FIFA on launch day.

If I do get one, it'll probably be PES around Christmas time. The last FIFA just absolutely killed it for me, the Ultimate Team thing has just become too much.

I played FIFA 19 for a couple of months and really enjoyed it, but yeah, it got to be way too much. I built what I thought was a solid FUT team but within a couple of weeks there were players much better for the same prices. The churn was insane. The FOMO and feeling like you always had to be active got to be way way too much to be enjoyable for me.

I'm glad I played it. I'm glad I stopped. I don't have a desire to repeat the experience.

I wanna try this, but I'm one of those weirdos that only enjoys the "my player" mode and from what I've read, that feature never gets any love. I don't know what happened to me between EA sports on Sega Genesis and now (probably the increase in number of buttons), but I can not control an entire team.

Anyone playing PES master league, S. Diop is an absolute steal.

€5 million market value for a 19 year old 75 overall rating attacking mid with a whole mess of skills. His ceiling in MyClub mode (potential in master league is different, but it's some indication at least) is 90.

Oh also, anyone who plays master league with those default starting players: Arcas is absolutely solid and will serve you well. The rest can probably be shifted out over time as budget/promising youth team players coming through allow, but he's worth sticking with. (Castledine & Giorza are also probably good enough to hang onto for a while, but not standout like Arcas IMO)

Arcas just got the maestro role in my second season and is up to 77 overall after one dramatic improvement phase.

For some reason my youth team is just churning out stud centre backs (I've had 3 with 72 overall and some combination of heading, marking, interception, captaincy, and/or fighting spirit) and little else of worth.

Apropos of nothing, I've watched a pretty good amount of FIFA 20 and the keepers in PES are just miles better and more realistic.

No, I will not stop laughing about match-fixing in FIFA.

It really is realistic!

Prederick wrote:

No, I will not stop laughing about match-fixing in FIFA.

It really is realistic!

Including the tepid response from the 'Federation', aka EA.

I always love watching these videos, and trying to remember how many of these games I played. I don't even remember how I ended up coming across Winning Eleven 7 (PES 3) and having that "Oh! Oh" moment.

I know it's a well-beaten drum at this point, but I just love the gameplay of PES so much more than I like FIFA. In my Master League, I just scored a goal where my RWF tried a header, the keeper popped it up in the air and my striker ran onto it and headed it into the net past his despairing attempt to save the rebound, and it just felt and looked like nothing I think i'll ever get in FIFA. Like, I got a great, dirty goalmouth scramble goal yesterday, and I don't think I've ever seen a good one of those in FIFA.

Like, FIFA wins on everything, except for gameplay.

PES 2020 is coming to Xbox Gamepass

Alright, I do have one PES gripe: Fouls.

I've been called for a foul making perfectly legal tackles, while the AI gets called rarely to never sometimes. At one point, we got called for a foul for getting tackled off the ball. It can be a bit infuriating.