Soccer Gaming Catch-All

Godzilla Blitz wrote:

Would it make sense to start a Football Manager thread?

Might not be a bad idea. Lord knows, when 2018 drops I'm going to be blathering on and on about my latest game.

dejanzie wrote:

LichTstad. Licht = light(bulb), as Eindhoven is where Philips was founded.

/pedant

WELL FINE, I GUESS I'LL JUST LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT OTHER LANGUAGES THEN. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!?

kergguz wrote:

How many hours would you say it takes to play 3 seasons these days?

I think it matters on your play style/how often you play/how many leagues you're running. My friend plows through what seems like a season every 2-3 weeks or so, while I usually run way more leagues and have a slower, more methodical play style. FM can still go fast, I think, you just have to be looking for that specifically from it.

Meanwhile, FC Eindhoven have managed to ensure themselves another season of Eredivisie football by early April. We'll probably finish around 12th, which is pretty respectable, I think.

I'm just over half way into my 4th season and I've got 85 hours on the clock...

Prederick wrote:
Godzilla Blitz wrote:

Would it make sense to start a Football Manager thread?

Might not be a bad idea. Lord knows, when 2018 drops I'm going to be blathering on and on about my latest game.

Started!

Football Manager Series Catch All

I try not to get obsessed with licensing, but, whatever I say, it's not unimportant, and whooooof, does FIFA 18 look great on that front (starts at 8:25).

Hey! PES is back! Hooray! And the early word has been pretty much the same as you'd expect. All the same strengths, all the same flaws, the "purist's" game.

I'll probably wait a month or two for a good Option file to be released before getting it. I will say, though, they really need to do something about the fouling/AI defending, because there wasn't enough of it in 2017, and that appears to have continued. In 2017, the AI almost never went in for a tackle unless it was 99% sure it could get it, and I can't even remember seeing it slide in for one. Moreover, I honestly have a hard time remembering any free-kicks I'd taken vs. the AI. Kind of annoying!

Prederick wrote:

Hey! PES is back! Hooray! And the early word has been pretty much the same as you'd expect. All the same strengths, all the same flaws, the "purist's" game.

I'll probably wait a month or two for a good Option file to be released before getting it. I will say, though, they really need to do something about the fouling/AI defending, because there wasn't enough of it in 2017, and that appears to have continued. In 2017, the AI almost never went in for a tackle unless it was 99% sure it could get it, and I can't even remember seeing it slide in for one. Moreover, I honestly have a hard time remembering any free-kicks I'd taken vs. the AI. Kind of annoying!

In 2016, the ref would card you for looking cross at your controller, so my guess is that they overcompensated in 2017. Here's hoping they find the right balance this time, although the AI not committing fouls is an issue that dates back to 1995 for every soccer game ever.

Despite my cynicism, I'm slowly succumbing to the urge for some sweet sweet PES. Already downloading the option files

Don't I deserve this, after closing a major deal for my employer? Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his dualshock-gripping palms?

Spoiler:

I'm weak

dejanzie wrote:

Despite my cynicism, I'm slowly succumbing to the urge for some sweet sweet PES. Already downloading the option files

Don't I deserve this, after closing a major deal for my employer? Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his dualshock-gripping palms?

Spoiler:

I'm weak

I am still holding out, but if there are some genuinely decent option files out there.... yeah... I'm wavering.

Prederick wrote:
dejanzie wrote:

Despite my cynicism, I'm slowly succumbing to the urge for some sweet sweet PES. Already downloading the option files

Don't I deserve this, after closing a major deal for my employer? Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his dualshock-gripping palms?

Spoiler:

I'm weak

I am still holding out, but if there are some genuinely decent option files out there.... yeah... I'm wavering.

I'll let you know (playing on PS4, will buy it on Saturday) unfortunately, the option file still returns to default when another user logs in. Which sucks for local co-op.

FIFA was available 3 days early if you paid for the "special edition" which I believe was about £25 more. This, in turn, meant many retailers were warned by EA that they were not to send their copies to customers on the standard edition until today (many online retailers in the U.K. like to send games out a little bit early to garuntee you get it on release day as promised, thus many times you end up getting a game days before it's "officially" released). So they basically threatened them by saying they'd cut them off in future unless they waited to send.

I asked on the Madden thread and apparently they've done this with their other sports games too. Looks like EA has a new money spinner.

Was MUT and FUT not enough? (Which, from what I've seen from their online popularity, must be literally printing them money.)

I only played a couple of games, but I'm really liking PES 2018 so far. The slower pace suits my midlife reflexes, and the passes actually seem to go in the direction I intended. The option files already available are perfect, and easy peazy to install. And they actually have a whopping THREE Belgian teams now!

I've spent the weekend with FIFA 18 and I'm not sure what to make of it, I'd say the bad points certainly stand out over the good ones. To put it bluntly, they've made it, what I'd call, a lot more arcadey, which I'm guessing probably appeals to their core demographic, but for me who enjoys intricacies of tactical battles and well worked goals, not so much.

Defending is very hard this year, I've seen a few people say "you've just got to learn how to do it", for which there is some of that, but the balance between attack and defence is heavily skewed in the former's favour. This is largely compounded by the fact that shooting is easy; very, very easy. To put it in perspective, me and a friend regularly play co-op on FIFA, we always get to division one and are able to win it. We usually coast through the lower divisions, and we do beat quite a lot of teams heavily. But by heavy, I mean like 4-0, 5-0 or 6-0. Our very first game, we won 12-0. And I don't even think our opponents were that spectacularly bad, we even spent most of the time only half invested as we were chatting, having a catch up.

With regards to the shooting, me and another friend played as PSG against Man Utd in co-op, and we lost 4-2 with three of the opponent's goals coming from 30 yards out. Whereas in previous FIFA games you needed some element of body shape and carving out of chances, it appears to have gone away completely, with the ball just pinging about first time constantly.

On the plus side, the new crossing is quite cool and the CPU is no longer boring to play against, although pretty much does what is explained above on most difficulties from professional above. In Ultimate Team, squad battles are a very welcome addition, especially for people who don't have the time for weekend leagues.

But, in all, the game just feels more frustrating than any FIFA I've ever played due to the non-stop goals and pinging of the ball that can easily bypass entire midfields. I think in older games, you could get games where it was a fast pace, but it was usually down to how users played, whereas now it just seems to be the norm due to how easy it is to hit things first time. I'm hoping there is a patch that definitely reduces shooting, it appears to be widely acknowledged as OP. If not though, I'm a bit worried that this is a bit of a COD'ification of the series. I know it's one of those games like COD, but I've always been able to enjoy the game playing it with my own style and pace (I've always played a lot more defensively with a targetman up front), but it feels like you're forced to play at a relentless pace in all game modes now.

Sorry for double post.

To be fair, I don't think either game has ever taken defending 100% seriously. I haven't played this year's edition, but PES 2017 was jam-packed with AI players defending by running headlong at you and consistently making inch-perfect tackles without fouling you. I know everyone wants to be Ronaldo/Messi et al, but I'd love to see one of these games genuinely sit down and take defending seriously and figure out how teams actually do it and how players ACTUALLY defend.

I'm not arguing that the above video has any GOOD defending in it, but it's the way you're supposed to effing-well defend, mostly.

Anyway, my take has always been that FIFA has always been aiming for a sim-lite experience. I wouldn't call it quite Call Of Duty, more like Rainbow Six: Siege. PES, on the other hand, certainly isn't going for ArmA, perhaps something closer to Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield.

dejanzie wrote:

I only played a couple of games, but I'm really liking PES 2018 so far. The slower pace suits my midlife reflexes, and the passes actually seem to go in the direction I intended. The option files already available are perfect, and easy peazy to install. And they actually have a whopping THREE Belgian teams now!

DAGNABBIT

Prederick wrote:
dejanzie wrote:

I only played a couple of games, but I'm really liking PES 2018 so far. The slower pace suits my midlife reflexes, and the passes actually seem to go in the direction I intended. The option files already available are perfect, and easy peazy to install. And they actually have a whopping THREE Belgian teams now!

DAGNABBIT

I had you at "three Belgian teams", didn't I?

I'll post again once the honeymoon phase is over, to save you some money

FIFA 18 patch is already live on PC which nerfs shooting and improves goalkeepers, so it looks a bit like they pretty much knew there was a bit of an inbalance. Live on consoles soon.

I'm enjoying I a bit more, but defending against players with the top players is extremely difficult, a lot of the time you can feel a bit helpless with it.

dejanzie wrote:

I had you at "three Belgian teams", didn't I?

It is insane that I have become enough of a footy nerd that this genuinely is a selling point for me.

"They got the license for the Eliteserien in the game? I'm in!"