Soccer Gaming Catch-All

jonnypolite wrote:

DS, you should get FIFA 12 because i have preordered it, and i need other entry level gamers to beat. or be beaten by.

That's a fair point. Peeps with FIFA 12 on 360 could convince me. Is it much different? By that I mean I've gotten to love the rolling intros where you can play soccer as the game loads. I've gotten to love the overall feel of the game. So strangely this is one case where I'd want FIFA 12 to be really similar to its predecessor.

jonnypolite wrote:

DS, you should get FIFA 12 because i have preordered it, and i need other entry level gamers to beat. or be beaten by.

I'm kind of enjoying the FIFA pre-release, but holy hell do I suck. I finally tool Arsenal vs. an MLS team and still got dominated. I just watched some CPU vs. CPU action to try and figure out what I am doing wrong, and I did notice some strategy that I should have been employing.

I might pick it up on a cheap sale at some point. In the end, I really appreciate the speed and violence of the NHL over soccer. I did really enjoy Super Mario's Super Strikers on the Gamecube back in the day, though.

Dave, try this:
http://www.cmrev.com/fileplanet/pobi...
Poland has one of biggest FM fansites in the world, so their updates should be top notch, or at least to the extent that you can expect from two guys doing it in their spare time.
Apart from transfers it's supposed to update CA/PA (abilities) of some players, although I wouldn't expect a lot on that front, because there is a good reason that every year SI makes use of army of researchers.

Reviews for FIFA 12 have it sounding really good, i did like the defensive changes in the demo. The bugs look quite hilarious, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b45n...

The reviews I've seen for FIFA have all been glowing. I hated the demo last year and thought this year's demo was awful so I am confused. Going to revisit the demo and if I can find a way to like it I might pick it up until I can find a PC copy of PES. I might pick up FIFA anyway just for the MLS license.

edit: So nothing is different on release day re: PES2012 PC-DVD. Can't find any US retailers with this. Just going to wait until 10/14 I guess?

editx2: Just did PES demo on the 360. What happened to goalkeepers? I scored one goal on a soft shot right at the keeper that he inexplicably dove right for at the last minute (when all he had to do was stand still). I had another goal from a soft shot from the edge of the 18 yard box that the keeper didn't start reacting to until it was roughly 2 yards out. Going to try the PC demo later.

editx3: PES demo on PC. Semi-assisted cursor seemed to act like the assisted cursor. Scoring from outside the box is way too easy on both 360 and PC. Keeper AI seems off in both versions. AI teammates weren't playing the same off the ball. Played as Inter and had Maicon come inside off the ball a few time on the 360 (I was not using the new controls). On the PC it played more like the FIFA demo where there was very little positional interchange or off the ball movement on your AI teammates part.

UCRC wrote:

Dave, try this:
http://www.cmrev.com/fileplanet/pobi...
Poland has one of biggest FM fansites in the world, so their updates should be top notch, or at least to the extent that you can expect from two guys doing it in their spare time.
Apart from transfers it's supposed to update CA/PA (abilities) of some players, although I wouldn't expect a lot on that front, because there is a good reason that every year SI makes use of army of researchers.

Congratulations, you may have just convinced me not to buy FM 2012.

EDIT: Nevermind, some quite editor work fixed it.

Well, noob that I am I really love FIFA 12. Feature-wise it feels like a leap over 11. Plus I can play as the Timbers and join/form an online football club. I'm all in.

Wow, FIFA 12 seems very difficult. Or I'm terrible. Could be both.

jonnypolite wrote:

Wow, FIFA 12 seems very difficult. Or I'm terrible. Could be both.

It's harder, I think. In 11 I was scoring 11 - 15 goals a game on the easiest level. (started there because I'm a complete noob). Bumped it up to semi-pro and scored 3 - 7 goals a game. In 12 I'm winning games on semi-pro, but like 1-0.

I just downloaded FIFA 12 via Origin. The demo was hard, so I think I'll like the game.

My name is "chaselymd" on Origin if you want to friend me.

Must not try FM12 demo......must not try FM12 demo....weakening.....

Well, I quite like the new UI, although the screens seem quite busy with an awful lot of information showing at the same time.

I do have a few problems with the 3d highlights though. I can't seem to get a camera angle that I like, and is it just me or has the ball become more difficult to follow ?

Still, at least I haven't cracked and bought it yet.

STOPITSTOPITSTOPIT

I'm trying to keep myself in check and it's hard enough already, with Forza 4 and NBA 2K12 getting "YOU MUST BUY THIS NOW" reviews.

Prederick wrote:

STOPITSTOPITSTOPIT

I'm trying to keep myself in check and it's hard enough already, with Forza 4 and NBA 2K12 getting "YOU MUST BUY THIS NOW" reviews.

Did you see the Batman: Arkham City reviews proclaiming it the greatest game of all time?

My eyes hurt from all that interface.

A friend bought FIFA 12 and brought it over, we played a lot of 2v2 games. It feels like every other iteration of FIFA, by which I mean: the same game as last year, with a few overhyped tweaks.

I think I'm done with my Monaco save game in FM 2011. I can't take this team any further. I haven't put that much time into team since high school and it shows: pretty much any element is close to perfection.

Time for boasting/'lessons learned'. My plan for this game was as follows:

0. Cover all of my transfer costs with selling players.

IMAGE(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1272142/monaco/transfers.png)

1. Build a tactic that works. Then first squad consisting of good players.

Shape that I used looks like this, and after some time it started to prove so effective, that I don't use other formations anymore:
IMAGE(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1272142/monaco/squad.png)

I was considering going with my favourite 4-2-3-1, but after a season I wasn't happy with results. Adding DM in place of AMC gave team much more solidity. And it's great for more direct and counter-attacking football.

2. Provide a model where average season revenue easily covers our expenditure.

Club has €70M on bank account. Over five years of my reign it's something like +€10M/season, after paying dividends to shareholders and *while building new stadium*.
Two main sources of revenue are TV money and (CL) prize money. With new stadium I guess we don't even have to get out of CL group stage and still record profit.

3. Win all major competitions with that squad.

In 2015 we've managed to win every trophy there was for us to win: league, both domestic cups, French counterpart of Community Shield, CL, SuperCup, Club Championship.
In 2016 we've done it again. And went 59 games without losing. (Doing Invicibles was too tough, however, I lost at least two league games every season.) There were also many really crazy moments:
IMAGE(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1272142/monaco/real.png)
(Don't look like that at me. I have no idea.)

4. Become best, most consistent team in the world.

IMAGE(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1272142/monaco/coeff.png)

Over last two (or three) seasons we've beaten every team in that first ten. Barcelona obviously was toughest (they have Neymar, Messi and Henrique on the attack), but in the end we've knocked them out of CL semis in 2016 with 3-0 aggregate.

But most importantly it was supposed to be about team building. This is my squad and number of full seasons completed at the club:

Sergio Romero (3) - Walker (3), Papadopoulos (2), Hummels (2), Vargas (4) - Miguel Veloso (4), Contadeur (6), Grenier (2,5) - Alexis Sanchez (3), Canales (3), Paloschi (4)
bench:
Ruffier (13), Fabio Coentrao (1), Astori (3), Nkoulou (9), Henriquez (newgen, 2,5), Gaitan (6), Carlos Alberto (newgen, 1)

This is what happens when you play roughly the same first team for about three seasons. And a thing that I'm most proud of in current game:

IMAGE(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1272142/monaco/team.png)

So I guess that's what I've learned with this save. You want to see your team at it's most awesome? Don't go for the best players (I had €60M transfer budget for some time now and I haven't bought a first eleven player in over two years. There are slightly better players out there willing to come to play for us: Fabregas, Aguero, Pato, Hamsik, Bale, de Rossi etc. etc.) Give everybody time to gel and difference in quality of football will be huge.

Okay. How about one more season?

As with almost every game i've played, it's not standing at the summit that's the most fun, it's getting there. That's why, as much as I enjoyed my Fulham and St. Pauli games, i've gone back to LLaMa style. Notts Co, here I come!

Well, there was solid amount of getting there in this game (I took over in Jan 2011 with Monaco sitting on brink of relegation zone) although obviously it was easier than MK Dons or suburban Athens' Panonios.
On balance I like starting in Championship/League One the most, but recently I've been mostly just setting past experience to professional footballer, starting unemployed and vacationing until someone hires me.

So I managed to jump through some incredible hoops but ... I am now downloading PES2012 for PC. Had to go through a proxy server and use the GamesPlanet Italian site but ... I've got it downloading as we speak.

edit: Konami doesn't seem to want people in the US to play the PC version legally. This makes absolutely no sense to me.

editx2: Just got my money refunded via PayPal with the reason listed as "Fraud" ... um ... I have a game and a key? Why is Konami locking the US market out?

editx3: After contacting GamesPlanet support I got the "Fraud" issue cleared up and was asked to purchase the game again now that my card has been whitelisted. Assuming this goes through will I now have two game keys or should I just ignore the first key.

I don't know what to say. Way to go, Konami!

FM 2012 is out.

...wait what? I wasn't ready yet!

Prederick wrote:

FM 2012 is out.

...wait what? I wasn't ready yet!

Yeah, yesterday I had a hunch to check when it was supposed to launch and got mighty surprised.
Fortunately, Steam prices in here being what they are, I wouldn't even consider buying it online, so I'm safe at least until I pass games store next time.
I'd like to hear how long did/will it take pirates to crack it. Because youve probably heard that this year they're including online activation via Steam only.

edit: Got chance to check out PES 2012. Great fun, shame I don't have a lot of time for gaming these next few weeks.

Even my usual online places seem to be doing it at no better than £27, which might be a byproduct of our revolting government's crackdown on EU-based post sellers like play.com.

I'm sorry, even I'm not cracking at that price. Unless City win tomorrow, in which case an alcohol-fuelled 'it's not really that much' might occur.

In here it's usual ~€25 for retail version, €49,99 on Steam thanks to one-size-fits-all European pricing model.

Thanks to screwy regional pricing FM2011 is still $45US while 2012 is $40US here in Australia.

Explain that one?

davet010 wrote:

Even my usual online places seem to be doing it at no better than £27, which might be a byproduct of our revolting government's crackdown on EU-based post sellers like play.com.

I'm sorry, even I'm not cracking at that price. Unless City win tomorrow, in which case an alcohol-fuelled 'it's not really that much' might occur.

Bugger. I'm blaming an over-strong cup of coffee and a viewing of Match of the Day.

Do let us now how it is.

So Dave... now that you're down from the Manchester Derby high how is the game?

I'm still playing FM11. Playing a Libero with 2 central defenders and a pair of wingbacks. I've never seen a Libero in a game (Toronto FC were too awful to be worth watching) so I don't know if my guy is doing things right. I expected him to get the ball and be on the ball more.

There was a thread about creating true 5-3-2 libero tactics on sicommunity, but I couldn't find it last time I was looking. It's hard, but great fun and I always wanted to try it.
Of course classic target for that tactic for many years was, and probably still is, Napoli.

One further thought: it probably does depend on PPMs much more than you'd expect. Because in the end perhaps every non-standard tactical concept in FM does.

Roke wrote:

So Dave... now that you're down from the Manchester Derby high how is the game?

I'm still playing FM11. Playing a Libero with 2 central defenders and a pair of wingbacks. I've never seen a Libero in a game (Toronto FC were too awful to be worth watching) so I don't know if my guy is doing things right. I expected him to get the ball and be on the ball more.

I was coming down, but then watching our kids spank 5 past Wolves pushed me up again. Of course, the day will live long in the memory...as will my tearful howls of glee as the 6th one went in.

Oh yes, FM12. Based upon my first game (as City), after a successful preseason, I started with a Charity Shield win over ManUre 2-1, and at present am 3rd with 10 points after 5 games. Got drawn into nightmare CL group (Barca, AC Milan and Trabzonspor), but made decent start drawing 1-1 in the Camp Nou, and that due to a Micah Richards og 4 minutes from time as we played 60 minutes with 10 men. Went out of the League Cup 2-1 at home to Coventry aet, but was playing kids and again down to 10 men after Carlos the Jackel got sent off for stamping on an opponent (and had the temerity to moan when I warned him !)

Runs smooth, interface seems clearer and the presentation of the tactical information in your formation is good. Match highlights are a little bit of a mixed bag - the director's camera is good, the little men seem a lot clearer but the ball can still be difficult to follow.

I have had some observations though, based on my 12 matches.

- seem to be a lot of goals from corners...at one point during preseason, Vincent Kompany was leading scorer with 4.
- seem to be relatively few yellow and red cards (amended, more in actual league play than preseason)
- Media interactions seem relatively unchanged
- Team talks and discussions with individuals seem slightly overcomplicated by having to choose what is effectively your tone of voice before the actual words...some of which can be said in a different tone, if that makes sense. The reaction of players also seems slightly strange sometimes...fairly bland comments at half time in one friendly seemed to make half of the team angry.

There are definite progressions from FM11, and it therefore isn't just a data update. But are there £30 of updates - that I'm not quite sure of yet.

Addendum - there was a Steam update yesterday and I haven't played since, so it remains to be seen what differences that has made.