Soccer Gaming Catch-All

Yeah. Almost anyone before 70s would probably have physical stats of mediocre third division player. (Maybe with exception of Russian sides and Herrera's Inter where they had really strict and quite modern training model, I believe.)

Sorry FM fans, I'm here to vent about PES 6 and its hellishly way of being both awesome and the spawn of the devil at the same time. Ever since the world cup was about to start I got the computer soccer itch, just like with any world cup year, last time, I found pes 6 and played the hell out of it, I was young, highly impressionable, and forgave its shortcomings while praising its impressive innovations. 4-5 years later and after a long hiatus, yeah, it's still a great game, but I just can't keep playing it with the same love I used to. This is a sad tale of WHY THE HELL CAN'T YOU JUST GO AFTER THE FREAKING BALL YOU MORONIC BASTARD!!!!, German-kid like rage and general disinfatuation.

So, my main gripe, I'l try to be short here, are Controls. On the surface they are ok, great actually, when you become used to them and confident it's when the problems start. Example: the other team has the ball, and you're following the guy with it closely using your best tackler/crosser, then the other team player stops and motions to make a pass and you hit the rigth button to make a cross, only to witness how another of your players dives, meters away from the action, while the one you were controlling before wanders god know where like a headless chicken. So, instead of having at least slowed down the other team, the assisted"let me switch the active player for you" mechanic has left you with a defender you didn't intend to cross with in the first place, lying on the ground trying oh so slowly to get back on his feet while the other team rushes past him to the goal line.

I can't bear to play it anymore, things like this are common in every game, other examples are, after making a long pass, the guy you were passing to won't approach the ball but instead will keep running parallel to it even when it slows down to an almost stop, enough time for the other team to grab it before you, down your miserable A.I. infected noses. Some things I blame to the attribute/skills system, things like Response time and Agressiveness, players have different approaches, but most times I just can't justify the crap they pull on you with that excuse.

I'm ready to move on PES 6, you gave me years of happiness, and to that I can only say thanks, would you please forward me your younger sister?.

Well, 2011 demo is most likely coming in week or two.

Updates from PES 2011 front:
1. They've gone gold already.
2. Demo announcement coming in day or two.
3. Coming out in something like four weeks.

So Hellas Verona get promoted from Serie C1/A at the first attempt, with three games still to go, with no scorers in the top-10 (although we lead the league in goals). I still didn't find that nearly as shocking as seeing this in my news inbox...

"FC Bayern hire McClaren as Manager"

Yes, THAT McClaren.

Oh, and just caught the FIFA 11 trailer. One of the features this year is...

Personality+ (PS3, Xbox 360): is a system intended to improve the way that players' individual abilities are reflected in-game, resulting in clearer differentiation between players. Personality+ utilises a database containing 36 attributes and 57 traits for each player, maintained by a worldwide network of 1,700 scouts, editors, and reviewers.

Sound familiar?

Really, the FIFA - PES rivalry is just another reason why EA needs somebody competing against it in the Football/Hockey markets.

Uh, free kick, right?

Fun moment the other night.

Long penalty free kick taken by one of my defenders (Baines, I think). He's been doing these for a while, and hadn't scored.

He knocks it solidly into the back of the net, and the announcement text reads:

And that's into the back of the net! / He's unstoppable from that range! / That's his first goal for Everton!

[Edit: because I'm careless with words before coffee]

*Ahem*. Yes, though my original description would have been even more odd.

No, no, I like the original.

He's unstoppable from that range!

We'll be seeing that goal for some time!

I just wish I could find that events file that someone wrote for an older version which was full of 'Ronglish' (translation = the wit and wisdom of Ron Atkinson, ex-Man U, Owls and Villa manager). Had me fair chuckling away it did.

Gameplay from PES 2011 demo:

Nice and smooth. It *can* be great.

Like last year, I am cautiously optimistic. That said, I stand by last year's criticisms of BOTH titles, which is still that I don't think either gives two figs about forcing you, or the AI to defend realistically when OMG LOOK I DID A RONALDO CHOP. And please do something about the difficulty levels.

If it's any good I intend to get back into online play, so I'm not too concerned about difficulty. I'm more concerned about balancing issues like capturing players' pace in realistic manner while not breaking the game by allowing you to destroy everyone using Messi.

UCRC wrote:

If it's any good I intend to get back into online play, so I'm not too concerned about difficulty. I'm more concerned about balancing issues like capturing players' pace in realistic manner while not breaking the game by allowing you to destroy everyone using Messi.

Well perhaps this wouldn't be an issue if they could actually get defending straight.

Another fun moment I wanted to share:

I'm playing as Everton in my current game, and having some real success. One of my biggest challenges is having a benchwarmer who is good enough to fill in for Tim Howard when he's called up for international play, but not so good that he gets Female Doggoy about being a benchwarmer.

I found someone who is a pretty good match for my needs, and played him in all the games we were heavily favored to win. As a result, his stats on paper are much more impressive than his talent.

At the end of last season, Mr. Benchwarmer got inducted into the Everton Best-11-of-all-time - while Tim Howard got totally snubbed.

Funny how the guy playing PES in the video has a very similar playing style to me, including dominating a game and then conceding a frustrating corner goal

I agree with Prederick, the defensive AI has been broken for years now. Difficult to say from the vid how that will turn out, though I'm not too optimistic.

On the other hand, I absolutely LOVE that they put manual passing back on the foreground. Let ME control where the ball goes and how fast. I know that manual passing has always been there, but it never seemed right. I can't count how often I played the ball up or straight ahead when I wanted to pass diagonally.

Dimmerswitch wrote:

Another fun moment I wanted to share:

I'm playing as Everton in my current game, and having some real success. One of my biggest challenges is having a benchwarmer who is good enough to fill in for Tim Howard when he's called up for international play, but not so good that he gets Female Doggoy about being a benchwarmer.

I found someone who is a pretty good match for my needs, and played him in all the games we were heavily favored to win. As a result, his stats on paper are much more impressive than his talent.

At the end of last season, Mr. Benchwarmer got inducted into the Everton Best-11-of-all-time - while Tim Howard got totally snubbed.

The overall Best-11 is weird... or broken. In my Leeds file the formation in the Best-11 is a normal 4-4-2 even though I have used a 4-3-1-2 for... many seasons. For a while my 2nd-best striker was listed at right-back because I had trained him there to play when my first-choice back went down. He played about 5 games there and ended up as the best right-back for a couple seasons.

I think the formation in the best 11 is partially cultural (Britain favors the 4-4-2, while Brazil goes for a 3-5-2, I believe), and partially just trying to fit the correct pieces in to match.

Prederick wrote:

I think the formation in the best 11 is partially cultural (Britain favors the 4-4-2, while Brazil goes for a 3-5-2, I believe), and partially just trying to fit the correct pieces in to match.

Is that for the league 11 and/or the club all-time/overall 11? I realize I wasn't clear, but I was referring to the club's overall (i.e. all-time 11) which usually matches the formation used in my limited experience.

Tried the demo of PES 2011 yesterday (X360). I kinda like the 'manual' passing system, but otherwise it feels like a slightly polished PES .../2008/2009/2010. Not buying this before it hits the bargain bin.

If you pre-order Football Manager 2011 through Gamersgate, you get 20 Sega classics for free. Not too shabby...

Included: Golden Axe, Ecco the Dolphin, Alex Kidd, Shinobi III, ...

Looks like the pre-order offer also applies to Steam.

I really shouldn't buy FM 11 RIGHT NOW. But sweet jesus, is it tempting.

EDIT: OH GOD IT COMES WITH SHINOBI III GODDAMMIT JUST TAKE MY WALLET WHY DON'T YOU.

FM11 is freakin' $90 on Steam for Aussies! what is it for you guys? $40.

So! in conclusion. Sega/Si have decided that I need to pay for 2 and a Quarter copies of the game just to play it!

I'm used to getting shafted on exchange rates and what not. But seriously? 225% of the base price?

Not quite Prozac, it's £40 on Steam - to which my reply is 'piss off, I'll get the physical media for £25 like I do every year.'

Steam's prices are a bit of a piss-take, to be honest, at least for new games. Given that they aren't incurring postage or storage costs, I fail to see why I should pay £30 to download Civ 5 when I can pick it up for £25.

Their sales, on the other hand, are another story...

UPDATE - reckon they read my rant, it's down to £30 now. Still a way away though.

Yeah, Dave. I still win the whinge. $90US plus exchange rate on top of that means to get it on Steam costs me over $100 Australian. Not happy.

davet010 wrote:

Not quite Prozac, it's £40 on Steam - to which my reply is 'piss off, I'll get the physical media for £25 like I do every year.'

Yep. In Poland all Steam games are priced at European rates (50 Euro) while I can buy them in retail for between 20 and 30.
That probably explains why you don't see me at Steam too often.

Haven't had a chance to try new PES yet.

FIFA 11 demo's out too.

Incremental improvement, but still improvement. It's still more FIFA though, which means Jeremy Toulalan easily runs down Florent Malouda in a sprint, and the only way to beat a man one-on-one is with trickeration.