Duke Nukem Forever Catch-All

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I was able to play some more today. Got to the objectionable part. You know, I can see where people are coming from, but it didn't really seem like much of anything to me. There were a bunch of women with painted-on thongs trapped in these gooey tentacle things, very much like there was in Duke 3D. Here, however, instead of being able to save them, there's nothing you can do. So, you either leave them to be raped and eventually killed by aliens hatching out of them, or you kill them yourself, putting them out of their misery and saving yourself the trouble of dealing with annoying little alien things. You can explode them with a rocket launcher if you want, but I simply placed a single bullet into their brains. Seemed like the nicest possible outcome given the situation.

Duke remarks with about as much remorse as one can muster while doing a Duke Nukem voice, "It's better this way." There are a few other things he says, too, but I don't remember what they were because everything Duke says is pretty forgettable. There was some line about abortion, I think, but it didn't come across as, "Hooray forcefully aborting fetuses violently!" as many people around the internet seem to imply. I don't know, maybe it's more horrible than I remember, considering I barely remember it and it was literally like 20 minutes ago. Either way, it still wasn't funny or tasteful, though. The girls were crying and none of them sounded like they were enjoying implied tentacle rape. I'm not sure where other people around the internet got the idea that the girls were moaning in pleasure, but I feel bad for their ex-girlfriends.

When you come across the stupid bitch twins, Duke does remark, "Looks like you're f*cked," as if that's supposed to be a joke. And the girls do beg Duke to save them and say they'll drop the pregnancy weight in a week. Unfunny and tasteless, but considering just how obnoxious those two characters are and how much stupider they seem to be from every other character (that's saying a lot) I'm not convinced that this is misogyny but rather hatred towards stupid teenage whores in an attempt (and failure) to be funny. And really, shouldn't we all hate stupid teenage whores?

The whole thing seemed like typical horror B-movie shock value nonsense, treated with as much gravitas as you can expect from a game that doesn't care one bit about believability or emotional resonance and is more intent on just giving you lots of violence and boobs. Sexist as all hell, but I wouldn't go so far as to say misogynistic yet. I mean, it's not like Duke is the one who put them here. It's the bad guys, doing bad things, and you're the hero here to make the aliens pay for being assholes. It's not like Duke's laughing and pissing in the girls' mouths throughout the whole thing. He's actually pretty quiet for much of this part, or at least he was when I was playing.

I'm still finding the shooty bang bang to be enjoyable enough. Not great, but there's a simple pleasure there. The level design still leaves a lot to be desired, although there was a pretty fun sequence involving a group of pigcops and a trailer. The boss fight with the giant three-boobed monster was decent. I like the puzzles involving throwing pipe bombs at bouncy platforms. I just got to the strip club, which is apparently a dream sequence or something. I only walked around a little bit to check things out and found a spinning top on a desk in one of the offices. Thought that was a cute little reference.

It's still a crap game overall that's definitely not worth money, but honestly, if it had incorporated more open Duke3D-style level design, I think it would've been an alright game. Still ugly and unfunny, but so was Duke3D and that's still fun to play.

MechaSlinky wrote:

I'm not convinced that this is misogyny but rather hatred towards stupid teenage whores in an attempt (and failure) to be funny. And really, shouldn't we all hate stupid teenage whores?

... You might want to re-read what you wrote there. And think about it for a while.

MechaSlinky wrote:

And really, shouldn't we all hate stupid teenage whores?

MechaSlinky wrote:

That sounds an awful lot like something a rapist would say...

Hypatian wrote:
MechaSlinky wrote:

I'm not convinced that this is misogyny but rather hatred towards stupid teenage whores in an attempt (and failure) to be funny. And really, shouldn't we all hate stupid teenage whores?

... You might want to re-read what you wrote there. And think about it for a while.

My jaw dropped.

Jeff-66 wrote:
Hypatian wrote:
MechaSlinky wrote:

I'm not convinced that this is misogyny but rather hatred towards stupid teenage whores in an attempt (and failure) to be funny. And really, shouldn't we all hate stupid teenage whores?

... You might want to re-read what you wrote there. And think about it for a while.

My jaw dropped.

There are male whores too! Or are you both against equal rights?

Duoae wrote:
Jeff-66 wrote:
Hypatian wrote:
MechaSlinky wrote:

I'm not convinced that this is misogyny but rather hatred towards stupid teenage whores in an attempt (and failure) to be funny. And really, shouldn't we all hate stupid teenage whores?

... You might want to re-read what you wrote there. And think about it for a while.

My jaw dropped.

There are male whores too! Or are you both against equal rights? :)

Pregnant male whores?

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MechaSlinky wrote:

The whole thing seemed like typical horror B-movie shock value nonsense, treated with as much gravitas as you can expect from a game that doesn't care one bit about believability or emotional resonance and is more intent on just giving you lots of violence and boobs. Sexist as all hell, but I wouldn't go so far as to say misogynistic yet. I mean, it's not like Duke is the one who put them here. It's the bad guys, doing bad things, and you're the hero here to make the aliens pay for being assholes. It's not like Duke's laughing and pissing in the girls' mouths throughout the whole thing. He's actually pretty quiet for much of this part, or at least he was when I was playing.

I don't think the point is whether Duke is misogynistic but whether the game is misogynistic. The problem I have (and I have only watched the Quick Look) is that the game creates the pregnant-whores-we-can-lose-the-weight-shooting-pregnant-women-for-being-pregnant situation at all rather than the particular lines of dialogue Duke reads.

Hypatian wrote:
MechaSlinky wrote:

I'm not convinced that this is misogyny but rather hatred towards stupid teenage whores in an attempt (and failure) to be funny. And really, shouldn't we all hate stupid teenage whores?

... You might want to re-read what you wrote there. And think about it for a while.

I don't see the problem. I love women. Women with actual personalities, real dreams and fears and tastes and ideas, they're great. Stupid teenage whores, male and female, are not people. They're shrieking banshee children whose only contribution to society is making it worse. Without stupid teenage whores, there would be no Jersey Shore. Isn't that a world you want to live in?

gains wrote:
MechaSlinky wrote:

And really, shouldn't we all hate stupid teenage whores?

MechaSlinky wrote:

That sounds an awful lot like something a rapist would say...

I love you.

Duoae wrote:

There are male whores too! Or are you both against equal rights? :)

As a stupid male whore, I endorse all hatred towards me as long as it's because of my stupid whoredom and not my gender.

CptGlanton wrote:
MechaSlinky wrote:

I can't stop emitting beeping noises!

I don't think the point is whether Duke is misogynistic but whether the game is misogynistic. The problem I have (and I have only watched the Quick Look) is that the game creates the pregnant-whores-we-can-lose-the-weight-shooting-pregnant-women-for-being-pregnant situation at all rather than the particular lines of dialogue Duke reads.

Duke the character, Duke the game, aren't they basically the same thing? But, yes, I'm with you there on that one. It's a stupid situation that should not have been part of this "comedy" game. However, I'm still not convinced that the game, the developers, the players, Al Roker, or whoever this is about, is misogynistic. I don't think there's active hatred or malice towards women, I just think that the game treats women as mindless sexual gratification tools for men to use. Sexism, not misogyny, from what I understand to be the definitions of the two words. But, then, maybe I'll change my mind as I get further into the game. Or I could simply be wrong. I don't know, I was just giving off-the-top-of-my-head impressions upon completing that portion of the game.

Now, I didn't read it as Duke killing the girls because they're pregnant, but because they're basically as good as dead anyway so he might as well put them out of their misery. If the choice was between killing them or letting them live and getting them the proper medical attention they need, that would be misogynistic. So perhaps the issue here is a matter of perception. Either way, we're basically in agreement on everything but semantics. It's still vile garbage.

MechaSlinky wrote:

I don't think there's active hatred or malice towards women, I just think that the game treats women as mindless sexual gratification tools for men to use.

I honestly don't know how to even respond to an idea like this.

Duke doesn't kill the girls, the player does.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Duke doesn't kill the girls, the player does.

Duke was only following orders!

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
gregrampage wrote:

I honestly don't know how to even respond to an idea like this.

With a word experiment:

I don't think there's active hatred or malice towards Jews, I just think that the game treats Jews as thieves who control all the money.

I'm afraid to make arguments like this because even if you hadn't picked Jews it still feels very Godwin-ish, but it does get the point across well. Thank you.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
gregrampage wrote:

I honestly don't know how to even respond to an idea like this.

With a word experiment:

I don't think there's active hatred or malice towards Jews, I just think that the game treats Jews as thieves who control all the money.

Seriously?

Should that be Godwin? That feels like Godwin. It's about half a step from Godwin. All we really need is that said by a guy with a funny mustache for it to really be Godwin.

I don't think there's active hatred or malice towards Hitler, I just think that Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler.

Tonight I give you the full Godwin.

Very well, it's an easy game to play. See the new edit.

gregrampage wrote:

I honestly don't know how to even respond to an idea like this.

With a word experiment:

I don't think there's active hatred or malice towards Muslims, I just think that the game treats Muslims as America-hating terrorists extremists.
I don't think there's active hatred or malice towards African-Americans, I just think that the game treats African-Americans as jive-talking, lazy thugs.
I don't think there's active hatred or malice towards homosexuals, I just think that the game treats homosexuals as screeching effeminate mincers.

It's hilarious when people take seriously everything said by the author of Max Applesauce.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
gregrampage wrote:

I honestly don't know how to even respond to an idea like this.

With a word experiment:

I don't think there's active hatred or malice towards Jews, I just think that the game treats Jews as thieves who control all the money.

Is that hatred or merely ignorance? Maybe ignorance bordering on hatred. But it's not a perfect example because thieves are often seen as something to be avoided while blowjob machines are generally considered something which brings pleasure. So, if the game treats all the female characters as blowjob machines, does it not imply that Duke actually likes women, but only as much as he can use them? Once they are no longer good for blowjobs, does he hate them or simply become apathetic towards them?

This is quite possibly the stupidest argument I've ever had on the internet. What am I doing with my life?

Thank you Duke Nukem for giving us this thread; probably more entertaining than the game itself.
Random question about the game itself; how are the pipe bombs? I believe I read that they brought back the remote-exploded pipe bombs. Any other variations on this theme/creative new timed/proximity explosives, etc.?

MechaSlinky wrote:

This is quite possibly the stupidest argument I've ever had on the internet. What am I doing with my life?

Well, if you come up with a line of reasoning that you think displays that treating women as worthless sex-objects to be used and tossed aside isn't misogynist, I'd love to hear it, because that's misogyny 101. So far, this has been just left of "He isn't homophobic, he just get's violently angry in the presence of queers." Sorry. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, as they say.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

It's hilarious when people take seriously everything said by the author of Max Applesauce.

Seriously.

When putting Mecha's comments into context, I think of this.

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