New BBC show: Sherlock Holmes, by Steven Moffat!

SommerMatt wrote:

Ok, so I admit I wasn't paying 100% attention to the episode (which is my own fault-- damn you, internet culture!), but I had a question:

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So... why, exactly, did they NEED to access the stuff on her cell? They made this big deal about how she only had one copy, and that the phone would blow up if tampered with, so... why didn't they just blow it up? Was it explained why they needed to keep it? I know it was used as a MacGuffin, and that they're trying to adapt the old "Scandal in Bohemia" story, but it just didn't make sense to me. Who cares if the phone blows up, especially if that was the only copy?

(paraphrased)

Mycroft: Fine, we just destroy the thing.

Irene: Right, because certainly I don't have any information on there that might be vital to saving lives.

Mycroft: Do you?

Irene: Not telling.

Sherlock: *stares sulkily into the fire.*

Brennil wrote:
SommerMatt wrote:

Ok, so I admit I wasn't paying 100% attention to the episode (which is my own fault-- damn you, internet culture!), but I had a question:

Spoiler:

So... why, exactly, did they NEED to access the stuff on her cell? They made this big deal about how she only had one copy, and that the phone would blow up if tampered with, so... why didn't they just blow it up? Was it explained why they needed to keep it? I know it was used as a MacGuffin, and that they're trying to adapt the old "Scandal in Bohemia" story, but it just didn't make sense to me. Who cares if the phone blows up, especially if that was the only copy?

(paraphrased)

Mycroft: Fine, we just destroy the thing.

Irene: Right, because certainly I don't have any information on there that might be vital to saving lives.

Mycroft: Do you?

Irene: Not telling.

Sherlock: *stares sulkily into the fire.*

OK, they at least tried to explain it

Still seems like a pretty flimsy excuse, but as I said, I understand the dictates of the plot. Serves me right for not giving it my full attention.

I really enjoyed it with the exception of

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the very ending when Sherlock shows up to save Irene. That moment was so ridiculous that I thought it was Dr. Who showing up to save her. They really didn't need the "happy ending" bit tacked on.

I'm looking forward to the next one.

fuzzyb wrote:

I really enjoyed it with the exception of

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the very ending when Sherlock shows up to save Irene. That moment was so ridiculous that I thought it was Dr. Who showing up to save her. They really didn't need the "happy ending" bit tacked on.

I'm looking forward to the next one.

Of course they did! You're heartless!

fuzzyb wrote:

I really enjoyed it with the exception of

Spoiler:

the very ending when Sherlock shows up to save Irene. That moment was so ridiculous that I thought it was Dr. Who showing up to save her. They really didn't need the "happy ending" bit tacked on.

I haven't seen it yet, but from what I gather, some people on the internets are unhappy...

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...not because it is a happy ending, but because it's not true to the spirit of the source material in that she's the one that "beat" Holmes to the extent that it's pretty much her defining characteristic...she shouldn't need Holmes to save her (or if he saves her it should be because she manipulated him into doing so)

juv3nal wrote:

I haven't seen it yet, but from what I gather, some people on the internets are unhappy...

Feh!

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She still beat him.

Also, it was awesome.

People on the internets are always unhappy

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Well, Sherlock did help her in her time of need in the original as well, albeit by acting as a witness at her wedding, rather tha preventing her being shortened by a head

fuzzyb wrote:

I really enjoyed it with the exception of

Spoiler:

the very ending when Sherlock shows up to save Irene. That moment was so ridiculous that I thought it was Dr. Who showing up to save her. They really didn't need the "happy ending" bit tacked on.

I'm looking forward to the next one.

I liked it.

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Every time I thought "Ah! I recognize that trope!" (down to the rain on the windows - "crying" - at the end while he looks at her phone) they throw it in my face. I don't think it was as much about having a happy ending as it was that I had the expectation that the show is "edgy" enough to let her die and they laughed at me one last time by doing something so outlandishly silly. It worked for me.

Jayhawker wrote:
DudleySmith wrote:
Thin_J wrote:

I'm more than slightly jealous of our UK brethren at the moment. Loved the first "season" if you can call it that. I hope it makes it across the pond sooner rather than later.

According to The Source of Totally Reliable Facts, PBS are going to have it in May for you lot. Which is a bit crap. I can't imagine that people will flock to proxy sites to watch iPlayer from over there, or simply torrent it. That would be WRONG.

If I can DVR it when it shows up, I have no reason to play torrent games.

And May is about perfect, as most TV shows are winding down by about then.

...and it will be a year or more before Netflix ever streams it.

Really digging this show.

Tigerbill wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:
DudleySmith wrote:
Thin_J wrote:

I'm more than slightly jealous of our UK brethren at the moment. Loved the first "season" if you can call it that. I hope it makes it across the pond sooner rather than later.

According to The Source of Totally Reliable Facts, PBS are going to have it in May for you lot. Which is a bit crap. I can't imagine that people will flock to proxy sites to watch iPlayer from over there, or simply torrent it. That would be WRONG.

If I can DVR it when it shows up, I have no reason to play torrent games.

And May is about perfect, as most TV shows are winding down by about then.

...and it will be a year or more before Netflix ever streams it.

It'll be available digitally and legally before Netflix gets it. Check Zune, iTunes, and Amazon VOD.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Really digging this show.

I just watched the first episode (movie, basically) on Netflix last night. Then I totally spazzed out at how good it was. I had no idea it was modern day until it started. Normally, that would turn me off. But it was fan-freaking-tastic!

Well that was a fun episode, although I have to admit this series has not been as good as series 1.

I didn't think it was as good as the other episodes. There seems to be a "middle episode nt as good" rule for these at the moment. "The Blind Banker" was similar.

I still enjoyed it, especially seeing how all the characters and places from the original (Stapleton, Barrymore, Grimpen, Selden, Mortimer) had been adapted. I think that the stories where it's a whydunnit/howdunnit/whatwasactuallydun rather than hinging on a whodunnit work better. I guess it's good that they got the biggest Holmes story out of the way. I'm hoping that they can have more fun with the lesser known stories now.

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I also missed out on a proper confrontation at the end. This doesn't happen in the story either, but Stapleton was a proper villain in the original, and Frankland wasn't up to the same standard by Gatiss trying to distract us with Dr Stapleton. Scooby Doo has just wrecked the "supernatural monster is a put-up job" story for me, and Russell Tovey shooting windows with red eyes and stubble couldn't quite redeem it.

Last night's episode really didn't hold my attention, unfortunately. Last week's episode had me riveted.

Good call chaps, was thinking the same last night.

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Did think Sherlock dosing Watson up with the suspected sugar was amusing, if somewhat obvious.

My wife the theatre insider has informed me of Benedict Cumberbatch's nickname in the business. And it's not Cummerbund Bandersnatch.

spider_j wrote:

Last night's episode really didn't hold my attention, unfortunately. Last week's episode had me riveted.

This is my take on it in a nutshell.

Still enjoyed it, but not nearly as much as I did the previous one.

Maq wrote:

My wife the theatre insider has informed me of Benedict Cumberbatch's nickname in the business. And it's not Cummerbund Bandersnatch.

...yyyyyyyyeeeeeeessssss?

spider_j wrote:
Maq wrote:

My wife the theatre insider has informed me of Benedict Cumberbatch's nickname in the business. And it's not Cummerbund Bandersnatch.

...yyyyyyyyeeeeeeessssss?

Spoiled for filth:

Spoiler:

Benny-Dick Cum-in-my-patch

Apparently he encourages it.

UK Theatre types are weird. Makes you wonder what attracted Kevin Spacey....

I don't know, call me a contrarian, I was SO looking forward to this series, but the second installment (Blind Banker) really worried me. A Study in Pink was mostly really well done, but it fell apart at the end (as some others have noted. Also, for those who guessed the villain at the end of ASiP...

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how could you or yours possibly guess before it was revealed? Cabbie, sure, but the whole process is SO implausible I don't see how anyone could have gotten it. Even the creators...you could practically hear them trying to get out from the corner they'd painted their way into.

Hopefully, the series will improve, but for all the snappy dialogue and fast cuts and witty banter a mystery series has to be believable, and if that fails, its goose is cooked. We all remember The Killing, don't we?

Natus wrote:

Hopefully, the series will improve, but for all the snappy dialogue and fast cuts and witty banter a mystery series has to be believable, and if that fails, its goose is cooked. We all remember The Killing, don't we?

Which one, the Danish or US version?

The problem with the latest one is that the mystery just wasn't very good.

Maq wrote:
Natus wrote:

Hopefully, the series will improve, but for all the snappy dialogue and fast cuts and witty banter a mystery series has to be believable, and if that fails, its goose is cooked. We all remember The Killing, don't we?

Which one, the Danish or US version?

The U.S. version. I wuz burned 4 life.

Second episode that I've seen. Was OK, but terribly cheesey and, thanks to Arkham Asylum, I figured out the mechanics of the mystery well before the end.

Maq wrote:
spider_j wrote:
Maq wrote:

My wife the theatre insider has informed me of Benedict Cumberbatch's nickname in the business. And it's not Cummerbund Bandersnatch.

...yyyyyyyyeeeeeeessssss?

Spoiled for filth:

Spoiler:

Benny-Dick Cum-in-my-patch

Apparently he encourages it.

UK Theatre types are weird. Makes you wonder what attracted Kevin Spacey....

Wouldn't snatch work better than patch there?

Natus wrote:
Maq wrote:
Natus wrote:

Hopefully, the series will improve, but for all the snappy dialogue and fast cuts and witty banter a mystery series has to be believable, and if that fails, its goose is cooked. We all remember The Killing, don't we?

Which one, the Danish or US version?

The U.S. version. I wuz burned 4 life.

I tried to warn you all. I really did.

Maq wrote:
spider_j wrote:
Maq wrote:

My wife the theatre insider has informed me of Benedict Cumberbatch's nickname in the business. And it's not Cummerbund Bandersnatch.

...yyyyyyyyeeeeeeessssss?

Spoiled for filth:

Spoiler:

Benny-Dick Cum-in-my-patch

Apparently he encourages it.

UK Theatre types are weird. Makes you wonder what attracted Kevin Spacey....

I like his version better:

DudleySmith wrote:
Maq wrote:
spider_j wrote:
Maq wrote:

My wife the theatre insider has informed me of Benedict Cumberbatch's nickname in the business. And it's not Cummerbund Bandersnatch.

...yyyyyyyyeeeeeeessssss?

Spoiled for filth:

Spoiler:

Benny-Dick Cum-in-my-patch

Apparently he encourages it.

UK Theatre types are weird. Makes you wonder what attracted Kevin Spacey....

Wouldn't snatch work better than patch there?

You know, I don't think that I have ever heard the word "snatch" used in that context in England.

No, it's probably not the euphemism that comes most readily to my lips, but in its unison of meaning and rhyme I think it presents a compelling argument.