Xbox 360 "Slim" Hardware Catch-All

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E3 2010 had MS announcing a new 360 chassis. Smaller, black, and attracting more fingerprints and dust while supposedly becoming "whisper quite", the new Xbox will have 100% less red rings*.

[size=8]*Due to MS engineers fixed the problem by omitting the red LEDs in the controller connection lights on the console of the new system[/size]

The initial model has an internal 250GB removable HD, built in 801.11n 2.4Ghz WiFi, 5 USB ports, and a port to power the Kinect. Power usage has also been dramatically reduced according to early reports, probably due to the reduction in die size for the CPU/GPU and the consolidation of those processers into a single die.

There is a lot of discussion of the new Xbox in the "Official 2010 Microsft E3 Press Conference & News Catch-All" thread. I figured it would make more sense for future searchers to find most of this stuff in one dedicated thread instead of having to wade through various game, Kinect, ESPN, etc talk.

Joystiq Spec Sheet Comparison
Anandtech Teardown
Engadget Slim to Original Comparison (with video of sound comparison)

EDIT 7/20/2010: The Arcade has been announced. 4GB built in storage instead of the HD. Matte black finish. Will come by itself in August or bundled with Kinect later.

[size=10]Let me know if I need to update the initial post with additional information[/size]

And just to repeat what I said in the other thread, it's mighty cool. Possibly even neato. Some chance of neato-keen.

MannishBoy wrote:

The initial model has an internal 250GB removable HD, built in 801.11n 2.4Ghz WiFi, 5 USB ports, and a port to power the Kinect. Power usage has also been dramatically reduced according to early reports, probably due to the reduction in die size for the CPU/GPU and the consolidation of those processers into a single die.

OK, I am just now realizing the implication: the Kinect will not work on current 360's because they lack a Kinect port. Is that correct that you will need the new hardware?

I currently have an old 360 with a 20GB drive and no HDMI. I'd considered picking up a new drive when the 250GB drives price inevitably price dropped later this year; the HDMI has been tempting me to get a new 360, but the Kinect port might be the factor that puts me over the edge.

Now although the Kinect is going on sale November 4, this new 360 is available now, correct? I wonder if there will be any interesting bundles for the holidays.

beeporama wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

The initial model has an internal 250GB removable HD, built in 801.11n 2.4Ghz WiFi, 5 USB ports, and a port to power the Kinect. Power usage has also been dramatically reduced according to early reports, probably due to the reduction in die size for the CPU/GPU and the consolidation of those processers into a single die.

OK, I am just now realizing the implication: the Kinect will not work on current 360's because they lack a Kinect port. Is that correct that you will need the new hardware?

No. The "AUX" port also supplies power to the kinect. If you have an old 360 you'll need to plug it into the USB port and also into a wall socket.

beeporama wrote:

OK, I am just now realizing the implication: the Kinect will not work on current 360's because they lack a Kinect port. Is that correct that you will need the new hardware?

No, the old style 360s will just require Kinect to use a separate power supply plugged into the wall.

Now although the Kinect is going on sale November 4, this new 360 is available now, correct? I wonder if there will be any interesting bundles for the holidays.

I'd bet there will be some Kinect bundles. I'd also bet on a Halo Reach bungle, and maybe even a bundle for Call of Duty:Black Ops (similar to the MW2 bundle).

The new Elite bundle at $249 comes with both Forza III and Halo: ODST. Wow. This is a bit of a step up from getting Tetris Unleashed and that Clone Wars game with my original Xbox.

All I got was Hexic HD with my launch 360! :p

I got my slim today - and I love it. The wireless is much more stable (i had the old 1st gen plug in). Do it!

Question: so how can they tell if I've had my XBox refurbished after a RROD repair? I looked all over the box and there doesn't seem to be any seal or anything that was broken.

lostlobster wrote:

Question: so how can they tell if I've had my XBox refurbished after a RROD repair? I looked all over the box and there doesn't seem to be any seal or anything that was broken.

You'd have to check the serial numbers. If you didn't note them down (or down have the original box) then you may be out of luck...

I don't see why they'd turn you away if MS fixed your RRoD.

As long as your console is up and running (with none of the seals broke) you should be fine.

Aaron D. wrote:

I don't see why they'd turn you away if MS fixed your RRoD.

As long as your console is up and running (with none of the seals broke) you should be fine.

Really, right? I mean, how many Xbox are there that are not Jaspers that haven't enjoyed a nice UPS trip back to visit MS?

Duoae wrote:
beeporama wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

The initial model has an internal 250GB removable HD, built in 801.11n 2.4Ghz WiFi, 5 USB ports, and a port to power the Kinect. Power usage has also been dramatically reduced according to early reports, probably due to the reduction in die size for the CPU/GPU and the consolidation of those processers into a single die.

OK, I am just now realizing the implication: the Kinect will not work on current 360's because they lack a Kinect port. Is that correct that you will need the new hardware?

No. The "AUX" port also supplies power to the kinect. If you have an old 360 you'll need to plug it into the USB port and also into a wall socket.

Add-ons are always niche. Imagine if they only worked with "new models"! They'd probably sell about fifteen units

Is anyone else worried about dust with that big vent on the top (side)?

Even though Game Stop is offering a trade in deal, I still think I'm going to wait till fall or RRoD before I upgrade. Plus that will give time a chance to shake out any "new" problems that could appear from the redesign/overhaul.

Interesting that the "built-in" wireless adapter is actually just connected to an internal USB port. I have no idea what the reasons or ramifications are for that, if any, it's just curious.

The size, weight, noise, and power consumption gains are well done, but not "I'm going to spend $150 to upgrade" well done. My Falcon (I presume—spring 2008) 360 has never had a problem, so I'll just continue to enjoy my chill white case.

MannishBoy wrote:
Aaron D. wrote:

I don't see why they'd turn you away if MS fixed your RRoD.

As long as your console is up and running (with none of the seals broke) you should be fine.

Really, right? I mean, how many Xbox are there that are not Jaspers that haven't enjoyed a nice UPS trip back to visit MS?

Yeah, the 360 I turned in last night was a refurb that came back from MS.

Gravey wrote:

Interesting that the "built-in" wireless adapter is actually just connected to an internal USB port. I have no idea what the reasons or ramifications are for that, if any, it's just curious.

I suspect that the ramifications are an Arcade without it :). MS's stated that once the current stock of old 360s are depleted that they're be another lower priced SKU. That would be an obvious thing to remove (as I think is mentioned on Anandtech). I'd like to see them put a HD in even the low end model going forward, but I assume they will remove that, too.

I'm personally a bit disappointed that the new wireless adapter is 2.4Ghz only. The current 802.11n adapter is dual band. I personally run a dual band router, the 5Ghz band being used for all high speed media devices.

Well, I think I'm going to get this. Had a pre-HDMI 360 and the combination of Wifi, 250GB HD for installing games, a little quiter, and HDMI make it pretty convincing.

Duoae wrote:
lostlobster wrote:

Question: so how can they tell if I've had my XBox refurbished after a RROD repair? I looked all over the box and there doesn't seem to be any seal or anything that was broken.

You'd have to check the serial numbers. If you didn't note them down (or down have the original box) then you may be out of luck...

My theory is that they take your shell and put a refurb inside and ship it right back out when it hits the repair center. You usually get the same serial number.

MannishBoy wrote:
Gravey wrote:

Interesting that the "built-in" wireless adapter is actually just connected to an internal USB port. I have no idea what the reasons or ramifications are for that, if any, it's just curious.

I suspect that the ramifications are an Arcade without it :). MS's stated that once the current stock of old 360s are depleted that they're be another lower priced SKU. That would be an obvious thing to remove (as I think is mentioned on Anandtech).

Good point. That's a trivial change to make assembling two separate models a lot more efficient.

I'm waffling on spending the jack. I can get $230 in credit pretty easily. So for $70 I get the new whisper quiet shiny machine and a bigger hard drive. But my current 360 is an arcade with the Jasper chipset that I bought less than a year ago. Heck, my current console already has HDMI. If I still had my old machine, it would be an instant buy. I'm not even sure I need the extra hard drive space. My 120 gig usually has 30-50 gigs available.

The real bonus is the new look and the quiet operation. Can someone please do the math (and by that, I mean lie) and tell me that the much lower power consumption will save my $70 a year. Hell even in that regard I don't get the same bump, as the Jasper was the most efficient chipset yet.

Do I factor in Kinect Ready? How much extra will Kinect run if I use my current 360?

PandaEskimo wrote:

My theory is that they take your shell and put a refurb inside and ship it right back out when it hits the repair center. You usually get the same serial number.

Really? I've had two 360s go RRoD. In both cases I received a different serial number unit back from MS.

Just to reiterate - this things is absolutely stealth, even when you turn it off and have your controller charging.

Gravey wrote:

Good point. That's a trivial change to make assembling two separate models a lot more efficient.

I think they've got a lot of cost savings built into this model. That image of the HD looks like it uses standard data and SATA power connections. That might have interesting drive upgrade hacks down the road.

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Just got one of the old Elite bundles (Jasper, presumably since the manufacture date is from March 2010). Anyone else feeling lucky or does this fall outside the discussion of the new "Slim" hardware?

Where are you guys getting these deals? Trade-in? What?

I can't find this thing for sale anywhere on the Intertron except Amazon, and they don't have a bundle, just the new model for $300.

BadKen wrote:

Where are you guys getting these deals? Trade-in? What?

I can't find this thing for sale anywhere on the Intertron except Amazon, and they don't have a bundle, just the new model for $300.

Gamestop.

MannishBoy wrote:
BadKen wrote:

Where are you guys getting these deals? Trade-in? What?

I can't find this thing for sale anywhere on the Intertron except Amazon, and they don't have a bundle, just the new model for $300.

Gamestop.

Ew.

BadKen wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
BadKen wrote:

Where are you guys getting these deals? Trade-in? What?

I can't find this thing for sale anywhere on the Intertron except Amazon, and they don't have a bundle, just the new model for $300.

Gamestop.

Ew.

This is the deal Gamestop is offering right now. Copy and pasting from the other thread.

On GS.com -

Upgrade to a new Xbox 360 250GB

Upgrade to a new Xbox 360 250GB and receive the trade in values below: OFFER BEGINS 6/17.

* XB360 System w/wireless OR wired controller - $100
* XB360 Hard Drive 20 GB - $30
* XB360 Hard Drive 60 GB - $35
* XB360 Hard Drive 120 GB - $40
* XB360 Hard Drive 250 GB - $50
* XB360 Memory Card 64 MB - $10
* XB360 Memory Card 256 MB - $14
* XB360 Memory Card 512 MB - $18
* XB360 Network Adapter Wireless (Microsoft) - $40
* XB360 Network N Adapter (Disc required) - $50
* XB360 Controller – Wired (Microsoft) - $20
* XB360 Controller – Wireless (Microsoft) - $25

So I can get $230 for my set-up. And I think I may have a couple of memory cards from buying rosters for NCAA games. If it's the right deal, they could be employing five-year-olds in the back room to manually open every game they get and taking the discs out.

As someone who has hoped they would eventually make the Xbox more stable (and not charge for wireless), I am genuinely tempted.

$299 isn't bad for that.

Didn't they put half a gig of internal flash memory into the Arcade at one point? I wonder if they could bump that up to two or four gigs when the inevitable HD-less and wireless-less Slim Arcade gets released. That would be enough to give you a decent experience out of the box, and toss on an 8 or 16 GB flash drive later on and a lot of people would be able to get by without a hard drive just fine.

hbi2k wrote:

Didn't they put half a gig of internal flash memory into the Arcade at one point? I wonder if they could bump that up to two or four gigs when the inevitable HD-less and wireless-less Slim Arcade gets released. That would be enough to give you a decent experience out of the box, and toss on an 8 or 16 GB flash drive later on and a lot of people would be able to get by without a hard drive just fine.

Yep. The arcade I picked up last year has 512 mb. It's enough for ames saves, and that's about it. I think a nice 4-8 Gigs would nice. But 8-16 gigs would be enough to sell some videos and arcade games.

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