I have some things to say about LeBron James

BNice wrote:

The Miami Heat are going to be so overpowered in NBA 2K11. IMBA!

Jordan's Bulls can take them. :p

Like Oily, the only hope I remember for Ohio professional sports were the Indians moments. I'm close enough to Pittsburgh to be able to jump on that bandwagon when luck shines their way though.

I've been to many Cavs games over the last few years. That city comes alive during a home game. During the win record streak two years ago there was an amazing energy. It was as if everyone was a part of something bigger than all of the whole. The only other time I've experienced that kind of massive social purpose was during Steelers playoff games. Heinz Field holds 65,000 terrible towel waving fans...The Q holds 20,000 Cavs faithful. Well, they were faithful and it was because of that concentrated energy that they remained so until tonight. That feeling that no matter what happened that day or what problems awaited tomorrow it didn't matter because that night was a Cavs game. They could band together and share the moment of feeling like victors for once.

Now it's back to dark days in Cleveland.

FWIW, I watch the NBA for the possibility that you'll see something happen on the floor that you just never saw before and when that happens it's really cool. Well played NBA basketball, especially on defense, really is a unique thing even if those regular season games in the middle of Feb are pretty painful. Just MHO.

Maybe LeBron was confused and thought the NBA was switching to 3v3. That's the only way this decision makes any sense.

So...Miami's starting 5 is: Lebron, Wade, Bosh...the Janitor, and the Concession Stand Lady?

Nice...I got a cousin who can come in off the bench for the league minimum if they're interested...

TheCounselor wrote:

I blame Delonte West.

My dream is to have on record Delonte's reaction to LeBron leaving. I want him to say, "Well, I'm still gonna be his daddy."

This is my dream.

I also don't get the move to Miami over Chicago but I will take great pleasure in seeing the Heat eliminated in the playoffs every year because Chicago will out-shoot and out-rebound them (even with Bosh) and the Magic will simply out-play them. It's going to take at least two years to get a decent bench to surround the triumvirate.

Whatever.

ESPN is brilliant. By calling it "The Decision" they can now bring it up every time they run a "woe is cleveland" montage along with "The Shot" and "The Drive" (and anything involving jose mesa or ernest byner)

We just saw history tonight, people. This will soon be on par with the Cuyahoga river catching on fire and nickle beer night.

Lucky us.

I'm interested to see how Bosh plays on team that's actually expected to be good rather than piling his stats on a crappy team with lousy players. Curious if he can actually assert himself.

Also, the Cavs owner has more or less b*tch-slapped the snot out of Lebron James:

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html

Holy crap. Strong words. Looks like he isn't pulling any punches and selling the team isn't in the near future. Thanks, Milkman.

Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.

This was announced with a several day, narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his "decision" unlike anything ever "witnessed" in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment.

Clearly, this is bitterly disappointing to all of us.

The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Cavaliers have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you.

There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.

You simply don't deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.

You have given so much and deserve so much more.

In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight:

"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE"

You can take it to the bank.

If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our "motivation" to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.

Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.

Sorry, but that's simply not how it works.

This shocking act of disloyalty from our home grown "chosen one" sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And "who" we would want them to grow-up to become.

But the good news is that this heartless and callous action can only serve as the antidote to the so-called "curse" on Cleveland, Ohio.

The self-declared former "King" will be taking the "curse" with him down south. And until he does "right" by Cleveland and Ohio, James (and the town where he plays) will unfortunately own this dreaded spell and bad karma.

Just watch.

Sleep well, Cleveland.

Tomorrow is a new and much brighter day....

I PROMISE you that our energy, focus, capital, knowledge and experience will be directed at one thing and one thing only:

DELIVERING YOU the championship you have long deserved and is long overdue....

Dan Gilbert
Majority Owner
Cleveland Cavaliers

That was pretty sweet. I can tell you, that even though I am not much of an NBA fan, I probably just became a Cavalier fan.

You know the guy is a narcissist, but Cleveland doesn't own him. Gilbert is a tool bag and the general management never was able to put a crew around James to ball. I don't particularly care for the way James hyped this up, but he gave the hometown 7 years and they couldn't do it. Don't think James should be hung out because he made a personal decision to pursue multiple NBA titles. No one else wants to play in Cleveland - get over it. Hmmm winters in Miami or winters in South Beach? Partying in the Grove or downtown Cleveland? House on Star Island with Will Smith, Madonna, Stallone and a bunch of other Celebs or the Burbs of Cleveland? Sun, women, water, money, fun or Cleveland winters? He wants championships and to further his brand, move on! Oh and Go Heat - bring us some more titles.

It's not that he left Cleveland. I don't blame him for that, at all.

But he did it in just about as classless way as one could.

Jayhawker wrote:

It's not that he left Cleveland. I don't blame him for that, at all.

But he did it in just about as classless way as one could.

No credit to ESPN, which gleefully shattered whatever possible wall there was left between them being a news organization and being largely an entertainment group, although I guess that's more of a commentary on the media at large today.

James isn't going to "further the brand" in Miami though. He's going to be #2 to Wade there, whether he likes it or not. That's D-Wade's team, and D-Wade brought him there.

That said, the first MIA-CLE game next year will be simulcast on every single netowrk.

I've thought about this a lot today and I think the biggest problem with this whole thing is that LeBron isn't a 1A player yet. Given where he went he's apparently decided that he's Pippen, not Jordan. If he had entered the NBA with that attitude and allowed the Cavs to build for the future and not with this frantic immediacy they might have been able to put a good team together that could have won a title. Instead they made desperate moves to try and build a team around a player who knows he can't win a championship without considerably more talent. So LeBron was never honest about who he was. Not with himself and not with Cavs fans.

"The Decision" was the epitome of this. Here he was deciding to go be a sidekick and he's making even more of a circus about it?

And yeah, ESPN definitely crossed a line. As I watched it I was embarrassed for them. It will be interesting if in the coming days they can self-criticize this whole process.

Maybe LeBron can learn some class from Dwayne Wade. He gave a simple, humble and appreciative message to Heat fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXBog...

DSGamer wrote:

I've thought about this a lot today and I think the biggest problem with this whole thing is that LeBron isn't a 1A player yet. Given where he went he's apparently decided that he's Pippen, not Jordan.

This. Even after threatening the jump ship to the Clippers (yeah, right), even Kobe stuck through some lean years with LA. LeBron was on a 60-win team and put in a absolutely historic no-show in the playoffs this year.

DSGamer wrote:

And yeah, ESPN definitely crossed a line. As I watched it I was embarrassed for them. It will be interesting if in the coming days they can self-criticize this whole process.

Bolded for emphasis. They'll probably need a new ombudsman, because the old one should be dead after this.

EDIT: Oh God, I agree with Simmons TWICE.

Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor. All played on the Lakers together for 3 years.

Never won a championship.

Just sayin...

The waiter hive-mind has complained that this douche is one of those 10% max tippers (if he tips at all, most of the time, he doesn't. 10$ on thousands of dollars for him and his crew is pretty generous...for them, when they bother to do it). I don't know who he is, but for solidarity's sake, I shun him and his stingy empire.

In the end its just basketball *shrug*

Far more interesting if it was a real sport player like Manning or Brady pulling this stunt. Lebron is like your favorite made for tv movie star when we all could be talking about hollywood instead.

J/K

Is he really worth all this? I know he has never won a ring, does he have the talent to warrent all this spectacle?

Let's see if Cleveland fans can muster the same amount of righteous fury that Barcelona FC fans mounted when Luis Figo left their club for their deadly rivals, Real Madrid.

When RM played at Barca, fans of the latter spent the preceding week printing up mock banknotes with Figo's face on them, with words to the effect that he was a 'money-grabbing whore'.

During the game, Figo made the mistake of going to take a corner kick, thus placing him at the edge of the field. Now I know that fans at the Camp Nou are much further away from the action than fans at a basketball court, but I do get the sense that James might be slightly upset to be the target of the following items...

24 mobile phones
approximately €200 in loose change
7 half bricks

Not to mention 98,000 fans hurling obscenities at him for the full ninety minutes.

and, for the grand coup de theatre....

a pig's head. And that's a FULL head. Obviously the security guards were on tip top form that night.

So come on Cleveland - top that, and make basketball interesting for at least 2 hours per annum.

I think you can say a lot of things about Lebron, but you can't say that he didn't give the effort in Cleveland. The Cleveland teams that he was expected to take to a championship all amounted to Lebron and 10 other guys. He never had *one other player* that could you could count on to step up in crunch time. Remember that Kobe only started winning again when Pau Gasol showed up. Jordan had Pippen, etc. Lebron was always the single guy. It was so bad that in the playoffs the Cleveland offense always turned into "have the other 4 Cavs stand around and watch Lebron dribble above the key and then go 1 on 5."

They were never going to win that way.

So while I am fine with calling him out for this douchebag one hour special, I don't think anyone can blame him for bailing after toiling for seven years on some supremely weak teams.

On the third hand, 3 guys plus the end of everyone else's bench doesn't sound all the great either. Should have picked Chicago.

I don't know if this was already asked, because I skipped to the most recent page, but does Miami have triple max space? Can they accomplish a sign and trade for Bosh?

I would die laughing if the deal fell through because of money.

Well, let's see how James handles real pressure. If he had stayed in Cleveland, he could have been ousted in the second round every year and still been a hero, locally and nationally. Now, he's a mercenary, and if he doesn't win "multiple" NBA championships, he is a failure.

Don't forget, the bar in the NBA is set higher than in any other major professional sport. Jordan has six rings, Kobe has five, Shaq and Tim Duncan have four. No matter what LeBron does, Wade will always have one more than he does.

This whole thing is too funny from James to the Owners crazy comments to the fans all have different levels of selfishness. The fans all over need to realize James has no obligation to any of you so him going to a place he wanted to go to doesnt make him good or bad.

Dan Gilbert you sir are a rich idiot. I would claim you are more upset at the fact youre team lost alot of value because James he decided not to sign with you. Stop being a baby he made a business decision. And if he was so bad for your team and gave up in the series against Boston then why did you want him back so bad.

Now for James. He has always been selfish. Now dont get me wrong he made the best choice for him to go to Miami and I have no fault for him for that. The 7 years of his NBA tenure showed what kind of person he is. The self promoting for The Decision Show was no more than the LeBron Show disguised as a show to help the Boys and Girls club.

Now that is over everyone needs to LET IT GO!!! Its done Now im going to go play NBA 2k10

Oh And im a Life Long Lakers fan so I know about selfish play GO KOBE!!!!

DLord227 wrote:

This whole thing is too funny from James to the Owners crazy comments to the fans all have different levels of selfishness. The fans all over need to realize James has no obligation to any of you so him going to a place he wanted to go to doesnt make him good or bad.

Dan Gilbert you sir are a rich idiot. I would claim you are more upset at the fact youre team lost alot of value because James he decided not to sign with you. Stop being a baby he made a business decision. And if he was so bad for your team and gave up in the series against Boston then why did you want him back so bad.

Now for James. He has always been selfish. Now dont get me wrong he made the best choice for him to go to Miami and I have no fault for him for that. The 7 years of his NBA tenure showed what kind of person he is. The self promoting for The Decision Show was no more than the LeBron Show disguised as a show to help the Boys and Girls club.

Now that is over everyone needs to LET IT GO!!! Its done Now im going to go play NBA 2k10

Oh And im a Life Long Lakers fan so I know about selfish play GO KOBE!!!!

That's what sports are about. Fans take ownership of players, and expect loyalty in return. Do they have a "right" to it? No, but that's the game. If everyone "got over it" then sports wouldn't be fun anymore.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

I don't know if this was already asked, because I skipped to the most recent page, but does Miami have triple max space? Can they accomplish a sign and trade for Bosh?

I would die laughing if the deal fell through because of money.

Watched Sportscenter. According to James himself, all three of them are going to take less money in order to play together. That somewhat mitigates my initially negative reaction to this. Hey, I can understand a guy wanting to win.

That said, I hope I wouldn't have done the same thing in his shoes. I care about Houston, I would want to do right by it. God bless Hakeem Olajuwon for sticking with us past his prime until he finally got his! Twice!

Fedaykin98 wrote:

I don't know if this was already asked, because I skipped to the most recent page, but does Miami have triple max space? Can they accomplish a sign and trade for Bosh?

I would die laughing if the deal fell through because of money.

They basically gave Michael Beasley to Minnesota (2008 #2 draft pick, not very good) to clear the cap space for 3 almost max contracts. But in order to fit Bosh's contract into the scenario Toronto has to agree to a sign-and-trade that satisfies them. So Toronto is in the driver seat. I think they'll all take less money in order to play together, but they'll be making so much that anyone else they sign will be making chump change in comparison. There's not much cash left for a supporting cast.

The real hate for LBJ is not because he left. It's because he decided to turn the entire process into a reality show and an hour long TV special.

Amoebic wrote:

The waiter hive-mind has complained that this douche is one of those 10% max tippers (if he tips at all, most of the time, he doesn't. 10$ on thousands of dollars for him and his crew is pretty generous...for them, when they bother to do it). I don't know who he is, but for solidarity's sake, I shun him and his stingy empire.

Yeah, and it isn't like he throws glasses of water in waitresses' faces either. Nope. Not him.

I'm wondering how bad the Akron/ Cleveland backlash will be. Like any local hero, there's a thousand stories about him floating around here. People that have the negative ones might not be so inclined to keep them bottled up now. It should prove entertaining if nothing else.

Pretty sure no one rioted last night, so we got that going for us.

TheCounselor wrote:

That's what sports are about. Fans take ownership of players, and expect loyalty in return. Do they have a "right" to it? No, but that's the game. If everyone "got over it" then sports wouldn't be fun anymore.

I agree with you no doubt you have to have love for your team. But in the era we live in players come and go. If the team decided not to resign LeBron nobody would feel sorry for him at all. And lets face it Cleveland will lose alot of "hometown" fans because one guy left. OK hes one of the best that play but still. The whining needs to stop he went where he felt was best for him. I dont agree with how he did it but theres no way he did anything to feel sorry for at all.

And you guys know this was setup in 2008 at the Olympics.

Stele wrote:
BNice wrote:

The Miami Heat are going to be so overpowered in NBA 2K11. IMBA!

Jordan's Bulls can take them. :p

No they cant they are in their 40s and 50s Jordan isnt that great LOL

Cool cover for 2k11 though