(PC) TF2 GWJ 2010 Summer Tournament (There can be... only one. )

Although we may want to have them play against the team that was forming up for the SR tournament. Gotta keep our end up.

Dimmerswitch wrote:
ThriKreen wrote:

I should see if people are up for forming a Studio Rumble team for this. =D

Ooh - it'd be great to have a team or two from the SR community in the summer league. Mex, can you keep signups open through the end of the week?

Well, just for you I guess

I'd hope they sign up soon and tell me the participants because I'd like to start making the teams now, but I suppose we can wait a couple of days more.

FlamingPeasant wrote:

Count me in please! Teammate, can't commit to captain.

Maybe we should leave match scheduling up to the teams? Teams will be responsible for playing their matches at some time during the week?

Yes, Scheduling is going to be up to the team captains, they should organize with their team and the rival team captain for their upcoming matchup. Ideally it would be "ASAP" because a lot of people go on vacation in a month or two.

Am I a dick if I ask not to be a captain or sub-captain? Or am I dick regardless?

Added Minarchist as Team Captain, still need more, and added Flamingpeasant to teammate list.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Am I a dick if I ask not to be a captain or sub-captain? Or am I dick regardless? :)

Why are you so afraid of commitment that's my thing

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Am I a dick if I ask not to be a captain or sub-captain? Or am I dick regardless? :)

Well, I'm a dick regardless, and I don't want to be a captain or sub-captain, either. YMMV.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Am I a dick if I ask not to be a captain or sub-captain? Or am I dick regardless? :)

I'm a dick too. I can guarantee that I will be there for scheduled games but I am too busy for any sort of organization.

Are you not playing Mex?

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Am I a dick if I ask not to be a captain or sub-captain? Or am I dick regardless? :)

I may or may not be a dick with Quintin; I've got my hands full with our Dawn of War 2 league, I can't run a team too. Sorry.

I can be a captain. Anything to make Quintin look like a dick.

Well I'm sure there's gotta be at least 5 guys out there who WANT to be team captain, please post now.

edit: Thanks Phish! added to the list

nihilo wrote:

Are you not playing Mex?

I'm thinking about it because I'd like to, but I feel I should only focus on organizing the thing.

Besides if my team wins (which is the only obvious outcome) I'll be accused

I think I'll end up on the alternates list and hoping I can get in a game or two.

Big post Incoming!
(Tried to post this yesterday but site was being wonky)

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What the hell is Supergirl doing there?

Here's the list of everyone who wants to participate, with the Alternates/not sures at the end:
Scroll to the end for more details, guys in bold are Team Captains.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go through this list and confirm you're in it, any errors or anything please let me know!

*Legion*
4dSwissCheese
aandnota
absurddoctor*
Amoebic
AP Erebus
black lotus
Bonus_Eruptus
BrassMonkey
Chumpy_McChump
Cod
cube
Cymbrogi
cyrax
Dangofrank88
deftly
DF7
ELewis17
EriktheRed
FedoraMcQuaid
feeank
FlamingPeasant
Fxeni
General Crespin
gtnissanfan
Gunner
Hemidal
Hobbes2099
Hyetal
iaintgotnopants
JediK809
Jeff-66
jinniee
Kacz
Kier
Koz
LtWarhound
Lucky Wilbury
MacBrave
Maikeroppi
Maq
MaverickDago
merphle
Minarchist *
MoonDragon
MrChomps
MyBrainHz
Mystic Violet
Nathaniel
Nevin73
Nightmare
nihilo
Norfair
NSMike
Nuean
obirano
oilypenguin
Old Man Pi
PandaEskimo
Phishposer
Pirate Bob
pop58
Psych*
Queueball
Quintin_Stone
Radical Ans
Renji
Rezzy
ScarletBlack
Schmutzli
Secret Asian Man
Shadowklr
Shazam
Sheazy
Sinkwater
sithload
slazev
SocialChameleon
Soulless One
Stele
Stengah
taer
Tannhauser
TempestBlayze
The_Judge
ukickmydog *
VTSupie
wanderingtaoist
WizKid
xandric
xXDoofusmanXx
Zer0EpyoN

Alternates, possibly interested, not sure, not clear if they wanted in or not
Malor
General Crespin
Dimmerswitch
Itsatrap
EvilHomer3k
Atlas
Yoreel
Latrine
Atomicvideohead
Chief Wiggum
Petriefied
AnimeJ
Boogle

Ok, so I plug that list and Excel says there's 91 people who are "for sure" in the tournament.
I think this is kind of a success, really, even if we're only starting!

Now it's all up to you guys to actually show up

This means the biggest team size we can make and still get 8 teams to compete is 11 men per team, if Pythagoras wasn't lying with that math thing.

Funny thing is if we added the alternates we could do the 12 man team... hint

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Pending issues and what's next, I recommend you read this:

* I'll make the teams in the next day or two, using that randomizer tool and tweaking it a bit

* TEAM CAPTAINS WILL BE CHOSEN RANDOMLY FOR EVERY TEAM along with a replacement "Sub-Captain" unless you speak your mind right now, because there's gotta be SOMEONE who talks for the team.
The main responsibility would be things like discussing the best schedule for your team and stuff like that. It's not really a big deal like you'd be expected to scrim and practice and decide strategeries, that's up to each team. The Sub is mostly in case the Team Captain dies or some minor inconvenience like that.

* As soon as teams + Captains are done, I'll make the random matchups for the first round and this will let the teams work out the best schedule for when they face each other. I honestly would like this to be done as soon as possible, if we could end before May or mid July that'd be great.

* There's no stopping this train now baby, so the main rule for team size is: when someone can't show up to a previously accepted schedule, team sizes will be accomodated to players available.
This means if 3 guys don't show up on Team Ukick, then Team Absurddoctor will have to bench that amount of players, and it will be an 8vs8 match, unless Alternates are contacted and want to play and the other team captain accepts. Matches will only be re-scheduled if both captains agree.

* On the other side, if both teams agree to add an alternate each, it could be a 12v12 team, I don't think most people will have a problem with that.

* This is going to be an instant elimination playoffs kinda thing - if you lose the map, you're out.

* Rules I think can be tweaked, but winning conditions:
CTF: First to capture flag 3 times wins, or most points until time limit
Control Points such as Granary: 2 out of 3 rounds or most points until time limit.
Payload : Not really sure here, probably most points until time limit.
Control Points such as Dustbowl: Probably the same, most points until match time limit. This might need to be extended because sometimes a team doesn't even get a chance to attack with the 30 minute time limit.
("points" refers to team points, not individual score)

* Maps to be played will be decided by coin toss. Each Team Captain will choose 1 map they want to play(Previous discussion with team I imagine). Right now this means that, in theory, yeah, I guess you could be eliminated on "Trains" with low grav... If the other Captain absolutely doesn't want to play and they can't agree on the map, I can pick the map semi-randomly.

* Crits are on, if this is a big deal we can discuss it in the thread.

* No class limits as agreed.

* Weapon alternatives are allowed

* Hats are allowed, in fact I'd say they're required

* If you have design skillz, it would be nice to have a "GWJ TF2 Tournament 2010" banner or whatever you can help with.

I'll update the first post with this info in a few. Also I believe since this is not a Sports game (and looking at the Starcraft Tournament thread) we don't have to move it to the Sports & Leagues forums, I hope the GWJ overlords are fine with that.

ukickmydog wrote:
Mex wrote:

* Right now this means that, in theory, yeah, I guess you could be eliminated on "Trains" with low grav... I

I can tell you right now Team Ukick will not be playing on Trains.

Also, shouldn't there be some kind of double elimination or maybe have it set up like the World Cup where we would have two groups of 4 teams and they all play each other once and the top two advance from each group. That would leave 4 teams left with single elimination in the last three games. Seems kind of a buzzkill to set this whole tournament up and then get eliminated basically in 30 minutes.

If you wanted to make it the whole summer...a round robin that seeds a single- or double- elim at the end of the summer would be best. I think you'd still only have to commit to maybe 1-2 hours per week in order to make that happen.

I agree that a single-elim would be extremely frustrating, though.

Mex wrote:

* Right now this means that, in theory, yeah, I guess you could be eliminated on "Trains" with low grav... I

I can tell you right now Team Ukick will not be playing on Trains.

Also, shouldn't there be some kind of double elimination or maybe have it set up like the World Cup where we would have two groups of 4 teams and they all play each other once and the top two advance from each group. That would leave 4 teams left with single elimination in the last three games. Seems kind of a buzzkill to set this whole tournament up and then get eliminated basically in 30 minutes.

Edit for clarity:

4 teams would play only 3 games
2 teams would play 4 games
2 teams would play 5 games

Mex wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:

Am I a dick if I ask not to be a captain or sub-captain? Or am I dick regardless? :)

Why are you so afraid of commitment that's my thing

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ukickmydog wrote:
Mex wrote:

* Right now this means that, in theory, yeah, I guess you could be eliminated on "Trains" with low grav... I

I can tell you right now Team Ukick will not be playing on Trains.

Also, shouldn't there be some kind of double elimination or maybe have it set up like the World Cup where we would have two groups of 4 teams and they all play each other once and the top two advance from each group. That would leave 4 teams left with single elimination in the last three games. Seems kind of a buzzkill to set this whole tournament up and then get eliminated basically in 30 minutes.

I'm totally up for that, sure. I thought you guys would prefer the minimal time commitment, but if you guys want to have more matches that's great.

That'd be worked out once teams are assigned, but we need team captains to move on.

ukickmydog wrote:

Also, shouldn't there be some kind of double elimination or maybe have it set up like the World Cup where we would have two groups of 4 teams and they all play each other once and the top two advance from each group. That would leave 4 teams left with single elimination in the last three games. Seems kind of a buzzkill to set this whole tournament up and then get eliminated basically in 30 minutes.

That would make Homer a sad panda.

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I'm in.

My name is bolded, and has a * after it. Does that mean I am the prettiest?

Minarchist wrote:

I agree that a single-elim would be extremely frustrating, though.

Especially for all the people that haven't played in a long time that came out of the woodwork to play in this.

I think a round robin would be great, especially with so few teams. We could do that as a qualifier than run a 4 team tournament at the end.

Psych wrote:

My name is bolded, and has a * after it. Does that mean I am the prettiest?

It sure does, son.

Mex wrote:

Yes, Scheduling is going to be up to the team captains, they should organize with their team and the rival team captain for their upcoming matchup. Ideally it would be "ASAP" because a lot of people go on vacation in a month or two.

I think this is why Mex said single elimination. He assumed that all 90 people aren't going to be available for 3-month prolonged summer league/matches.

Maybe we should just do the 8-team thing, get this tournament done in 2-3 weeks, and then go from there. Or at the most double-elimination tourney with the 8 teams, so taking 3-4 weeks or so.

But all the round robin, groups, prolonged deal really cuts into a lot of people's summer family vacation stuff, and I think we might just end up with a lot of 8v8 matches with people missing. AKA, not as much fun.

I say quick single/double elimination. Then see who wants to do something more in depth. That might only end up being a 6-team affair or something as people go on vacation and whatnot.

Well, as long as we're waiting for the Studio Rumble guys and the extra team Captains to step up, I guess we can discuss the number of matches/tournament style.

I have no problem doing World Cup style brackets where you play 3 other teams, or just doing simple elimination (that's much easier but could be disappointing if you have an unlucky match, them's the breaks tho).

Again the biggest disadvantage here is the time commitment of some people, getting 20 people to agree on a match time is already a big challenge. I kind of like the idea that you are the best of your group and then you move on to a single match elimination.

Mex wrote:

Big post Incoming!
(Tried to post this yesterday but site was being wonky)

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What the hell is Supergirl doing there?

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This is not the Mex I know. Supergirl is exactly where she needs to be.

Since I have terrible organizing skills, poor dominion of the language and would rather not deal with mind-boggling issues as schedules/different time zones etc, I'm cutting myself out of any Captain /Subcaptain-ship nomination or volunteering, just in case.

Other than that, Bring it on SuperGirl.

For payload, I'd recommended shortest time wins. This can be enforced with tournament mode, can't it?

I can't be a captain. I'm allergic to organizing.

Do we need to consider time zones? Like an east vs. west sort of thing? I know most of us are in Eastern or Central, but if a game was starting at 10:00pm for the EST folks that would only be 7:00 PST. I can see that being somewhat difficult to coordinate.

feeank wrote:

This is not the Mex I know. Supergirl is exactly where she needs to be.

No sir, she needs to be on my lap.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
feeank wrote:

This is not the Mex I know. Supergirl is exactly where she needs to be.

No sir, she needs to be on my lap. ;)

Boomer..., guess I'll settle with PrettyScout and Medic Girl, one on each knee.

feeank wrote:

Boomer..., guess I'll settle with PrettyScout and Medic Girl, one on each knee.

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ukickmydog wrote:
feeank wrote:

Boomer..., guess I'll settle with PrettyScout and Medic Girl, one on each knee.

?

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Well, there would be some sort of "om nom nom" there, eventually. I guess it's a subconscious thing, could have as well said "crap! or Dang!" Anyhow, I get two girls, Quintin one, Mex none, all is well in the world.