LOTRO: Free-to-Play

Aside from all the lag and the stuff that doesn't work yet, I've found the culture on Landroval is a little different now. I've seen a lot more people with stupid names like "TalkingTrash" and "Esoobac." Lots more people asking for raids using WoW terms, and nothing but questions about F2P on all of the channels. Also more than a few low-level people lulling at how easy it is to troll the RPers. I'm hoping that crowd will move on eventually.

I've started diving into Skirmishes now that they've dropped them down to level 20. Interesting little mini-game. I thought I'd only use them to get the rare Skirmish-only items but instead I've been dumping my marks into powering up my character and soldier. They're nice little well-made missions.

In my off-time I've been looking for groups of newbies (often recognizable by their low level and insistence that they sit upon their free 24-hour steed at all times) to whom I can play, "Never Gonna Give You Up" on my lute. One guy was very, very amused that he got Rickrolled in LOTRO.

Does that count as trolling? Will it count as trolling once I start doing it with my minstrel's bagpipes?

Speaking of Minstrels, not digging their animations. The mechanic is cool, how they can chain songs together for various effects, but I don't really like how they'll play a handful of chords, put their lute away, pull it out again and play the next handful. It's kind of like the shooting animation in Torchlight, where your character lifts the gun, fires, and lowers it again every single shot. Minor nitpick, I know.

like Blizzard did with WoW but sloppier.

Erm... Why sloppier? Blizzard had months if not years of issues with their peer to peer file transfer setup. I recall having to manual open up a range of around 80 ports just to get it going. So... why sloppier?

LobsterMobster wrote:

Speaking of Minstrels, not digging their animations. The mechanic is cool, how they can chain songs together for various effects, but I don't really like how they'll play a handful of chords, put their lute away, pull it out again and play the next handful. It's kind of like the shooting animation in Torchlight, where your character lifts the gun, fires, and lowers it again every single shot. Minor nitpick, I know.

Thats really about the animation effort it takes. If you have every animation start and end in the same position, you only need one animation set, that is one for every action. The more 'neutral' poses you do, the more work the animators have to do. There's simple workarounds I'm sure but that's the philosophy that leads to the issue.

Minstrel animations look 10billion times better with the client side animations+ animation blending in the options.

Client side animations? What?

By the way, I got this in response to a bug report about being unable to log in under my main account on the website:

Thank you for your inquiry.

We currently have an issue that if you have more than one subscription on your account you can only access one of the subscriptions. We can not swap the names as it may cause issues with your posting history. However, we do have a fix in testing that will allow you to chose which subscription you wish to log into the community site with. We will be pushing this update as soon as possible. We do apologize for any inconvenience this may be causing you and thank you for your continued patience.

In other words, they're working on it.

Go to your game options and it's under combat options near the bottom.
I think.

Hey kids. I'm on Crickhollow with a hobbit minstrel with the HILARIOUS name of Bliobo. I actually played for a few months back in '07, leveled up to around 40 I think. Nice to be back and not have the urgency of a monthly fee forcing me to play as much as possible.

You should get a surname of Babagbins.

LobsterMobster wrote:

You should get a surname of Babagbins.

Holy crap am I ever going to do that. Babagbins of Medium Earth.

On surnames mine is now Altehtyme. So my full name is Deepwyn Altehtyme (because DPS's win, all teh time). Wish my title could be 'Bane of Roleplayers' those guys are gonna hate me...

You know Fedora, if you don't like the roleplayers then you'd get fewer of them on any server other than Landroval. At the very least don't troll them. They've been there longer than you, and have less to live for.

Sorry LOTRO, Reach just came out and Civ5 is soon. I have no time for you.

LobsterMobster wrote:

You know Fedora, if you don't like the roleplayers then you'd get fewer of them on any server other than Landroval. At the very least don't troll them. They've been there longer than you, and have less to live for. :(

Not really trolling them, I just like silly names that actually sound like names but have deeper meanings. Komm just pointed out to me that the roleplayers would hate it.
I dropped the surname anyway, it's ugly.

As a lifetime member, the plus side is that the LOTRO store is my bitch. The minus side is I've experienced a wait cue for the first time (It was only for 5 minutes, but it was in the middle of the day on a weekday). I wish there was a way VIP members can cut to the front of the line (or maybe they can, hence the short wait). Still, not a big deal. I love the graphical updates, and I kick myself in the ass every time I return to it, wondering why I spend so much more time in WoW.

That's right, sexy night elf chicks.

EDIT: Just logged in, it said as a VIP I get premium access and can cut to the front of the line. LOTRO wins, Budo nonobservant.

Well, I was ready to dive back into it and ran into the fun "You were in the beta and so we don't recognize your username" bug. Sorry LOTRO, you overestimated my interest in you. Not at all interested in trying to resolve this. Best of luck next time, hope your login system is fixed by then.

Budo wrote:

As a lifetime member, the plus side is that the LOTRO store is my bitch.

What did you find that was worth buying, though? As a founder, I've got (finally) plenty of points. Just haven't found thing one to do with them.

Storage slots ftw.

Dysplastic wrote:

Well, I was ready to dive back into it and ran into the fun "You were in the beta and so we don't recognize your username" bug. Sorry LOTRO, you overestimated my interest in you. Not at all interested in trying to resolve this. Best of luck next time, hope your login system is fixed by then.

For what it's worth, there's nothing you can do to resolve this. It's a bug in their new page and they're working on it.

Jakobedlam wrote:
Budo wrote:

As a lifetime member, the plus side is that the LOTRO store is my bitch.

What did you find that was worth buying, though? As a founder, I've got (finally) plenty of points. Just haven't found thing one to do with them.

The shared storage is always useful. Every time you take a character to town for the night, dump all your raw materials in there. Then next time you're playing a character who can refine those materials, have at it and dump the result back in. It's a good place to store common cooking ingredients too. Or if you're a customization whore you can get a bigger shared wardrobe.

I can NOT figure out how to cancel my subscription. I want keep playing but I want to downgrade from VIP to Premium. I cannot figure out how to ensure my credit card is not charged in 10 days short of changing the card on file to a totally bogus one (and watch it charge some poor 90 year old lady by pure bad luck). The site says there is a Cancel Subscription option on the 'my account' part of the turbine site. I see no such option, only Change Billing Options and Add Game Card.

Has anyone successfully made the transition from subscription to free?

The lack of ability to cancel any Turbine subscription has been an on-going issue with their portal for a little while now.

polypusher wrote:

Has anyone successfully made the transition from subscription to free?

I canceled recently through the "Turbine: My Account" page, I think. They sent me a confirmation e-mail afterward.

Jakobedlam wrote:
Budo wrote:

As a lifetime member, the plus side is that the LOTRO store is my bitch.

What did you find that was worth buying, though? As a founder, I've got (finally) plenty of points. Just haven't found thing one to do with them.

Extra storage slots and alt slots. Plus there's just a lot of smaller short term options. I had a bit of a letdown last night. I met a dwarf called MAXXXFURY. He admitted he had a free account. Apparently they'll let anyone play.

Budo wrote:
Jakobedlam wrote:
Budo wrote:

As a lifetime member, the plus side is that the LOTRO store is my bitch.

What did you find that was worth buying, though? As a founder, I've got (finally) plenty of points. Just haven't found thing one to do with them.

Extra storage slots and alt slots. Plus there's just a lot of smaller short term options. I had a bit of a letdown last night. I met a dwarf called MAXXXFURY. He admitted he had a free account. Apparently they'll let anyone play.

Yeah, having played before and after the F2P it's pretty clear that the flavor of the place is changing. Many, many stupid names and obnoxious people, all the channels are now totally filled with questions about what can be had for free, and there's a baffling sudden emphasis on mounts. Before F2P opened up mounts didn't really seem like a huge thing. You got to level 20, you bought your first mount, it was terrible, then you got a better one later. Every now and then you'd see someone with a goat from Moria. That was about it. Now 9 out of 10 questions seem to be about mounts. I guess they're a status symbol in WoW, right?

I am hoping MAXXXFURY and all his little friends will eventually get bored and bugger off. As I hope that, I remember that I got into the game in anticipation of F2P, myself.

LobsterMobster wrote:
Budo wrote:
Jakobedlam wrote:
Budo wrote:

As a lifetime member, the plus side is that the LOTRO store is my bitch.

What did you find that was worth buying, though? As a founder, I've got (finally) plenty of points. Just haven't found thing one to do with them.

Extra storage slots and alt slots. Plus there's just a lot of smaller short term options. I had a bit of a letdown last night. I met a dwarf called MAXXXFURY. He admitted he had a free account. Apparently they'll let anyone play.

Yeah, having played before and after the F2P it's pretty clear that the flavor of the place is changing. Many, many stupid names and obnoxious people, all the channels are now totally filled with questions about what can be had for free, and there's a baffling sudden emphasis on mounts. Before F2P opened up mounts didn't really seem like a huge thing. You got to level 20, you bought your first mount, it was terrible, then you got a better one later. Every now and then you'd see someone with a goat from Moria. That was about it. Now 9 out of 10 questions seem to be about mounts. I guess they're a status symbol in WoW, right?

I am hoping MAXXXFURY and all his little friends will eventually get bored and bugger off. As I hope that, I remember that I got into the game in anticipation of F2P, myself.

Probably largely because the F2P people haven't gotten there yet, the high level zones have exactly the same tone they have always had. Hopefully when the F2P people get to the point where they are outnumbered by the longtime players, they'll figure things out a little bit.

LobsterMobster wrote:

Yeah, having played before and after the F2P it's pretty clear that the flavor of the place is changing. Many, many stupid names and obnoxious people, all the channels are now totally filled with questions about what can be had for free, and there's a baffling sudden emphasis on mounts. Before F2P opened up mounts didn't really seem like a huge thing. You got to level 20, you bought your first mount, it was terrible, then you got a better one later. Every now and then you'd see someone with a goat from Moria. That was about it. Now 9 out of 10 questions seem to be about mounts. I guess they're a status symbol in WoW, right?

I am hoping MAXXXFURY and all his little friends will eventually get bored and bugger off.

I have already been badgered repeatedly about my Moria goat. Dudes, its not cool, its ridiculous. But it was a free level 35 mount, so I use it.

Overall, this is exactly what I was concerned about. LOTRO has always had an especially mellow vibe to it and its players that has made the experience SO much more enjoyable to me than WoW, or even CoH. I enjoy the place (as rabbit put far more eloquently than I ever could), as much as the game. Having MAXXXFURYs running around pretty effectively disrupts that.

Guess I'm codgerly even in virtual worlds.

Jakobedlam wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:

Yeah, having played before and after the F2P it's pretty clear that the flavor of the place is changing. Many, many stupid names and obnoxious people, all the channels are now totally filled with questions about what can be had for free, and there's a baffling sudden emphasis on mounts. Before F2P opened up mounts didn't really seem like a huge thing. You got to level 20, you bought your first mount, it was terrible, then you got a better one later. Every now and then you'd see someone with a goat from Moria. That was about it. Now 9 out of 10 questions seem to be about mounts. I guess they're a status symbol in WoW, right?

I am hoping MAXXXFURY and all his little friends will eventually get bored and bugger off.

I have already been badgered repeatedly about my Moria goat. Dudes, its not cool, its ridiculous. But it was a free level 35 mount, so I use it.

Overall, this is exactly what I was concerned about. LOTRO has always had an especially mellow vibe to it and its players that has made the experience SO much more enjoyable to me than WoW, or even CoH. I enjoy the place (as rabbit put far more eloquently than I ever could), as much as the game. Having MAXXXFURYs running around pretty effectively disrupts that.

Guess I'm codgerly even in virtual worlds.

I dunno, I a lot of people at the higher level place value in what mount you have. Like my awesome Black Horse, which I got by beating the devil in a card game. Sucker.

But yeah, I am sure when Lotro first came out there was a similair vibe, but it will eventually clear out. They can have their class-less WoW, because Lotro caters to the classy ladies.

Psych wrote:
Jakobedlam wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:

Yeah, having played before and after the F2P it's pretty clear that the flavor of the place is changing. Many, many stupid names and obnoxious people, all the channels are now totally filled with questions about what can be had for free, and there's a baffling sudden emphasis on mounts. Before F2P opened up mounts didn't really seem like a huge thing. You got to level 20, you bought your first mount, it was terrible, then you got a better one later. Every now and then you'd see someone with a goat from Moria. That was about it. Now 9 out of 10 questions seem to be about mounts. I guess they're a status symbol in WoW, right?

I am hoping MAXXXFURY and all his little friends will eventually get bored and bugger off.

I have already been badgered repeatedly about my Moria goat. Dudes, its not cool, its ridiculous. But it was a free level 35 mount, so I use it.

Overall, this is exactly what I was concerned about. LOTRO has always had an especially mellow vibe to it and its players that has made the experience SO much more enjoyable to me than WoW, or even CoH. I enjoy the place (as rabbit put far more eloquently than I ever could), as much as the game. Having MAXXXFURYs running around pretty effectively disrupts that.

Guess I'm codgerly even in virtual worlds.

I dunno, I a lot of people at the higher level place value in what mount you have. Like my awesome Black Horse, which I got by beating the devil in a card game. Sucker.

But yeah, I am sure when Lotro first came out there was a similair vibe, but it will eventually clear out. They can have their class-less WoW, because Lotro caters to the classy ladies.

That is some nicely written Engrish.

Badferret wrote:

That is some nicely written Engrish.

Have I told you today that I hate you?

nihilo wrote:

Probably largely because the F2P people haven't gotten there yet, the high level zones have exactly the same tone they have always had. Hopefully when the F2P people get to the point where they are outnumbered by the longtime players, they'll figure things out a little bit.

There's also a pay-gate at level 20, I believe. Nowhere to go without paying for new regions, right? I have a feeling a lot of these guys are only playing because it's free. Some of them will drop a few bucks to move on. Lots won't.

I mean it's not THAT bad for me, but I have noticed the change. I guess it upsets me because even though WOW is my primary MMO, it was nice to have the more laid-back, mature, leisurely setting and community of LOTRO as my MMO summer home. Now I feel like the trying-too-hard-to-be-cool frathouse opened up down the street.