Red Dead Redemption Catch-all

Redherring wrote:

For some reason I just completely bypassed this game. Probably because I can't stand the GTA series - I haven't played any recently but when I did I found them to have horrible characters and settings combined with mediocre controls and frustrating missions.

So.. what did I miss here? Is this just a re-skinned "Grand Theft Horse" or something different? Should I dust off the 360 and give this a spin?

Best video game narrative ever. Very good gameplay. I abandoned the GTA series during GTA IV, but I will always love RDR. I mean, they just nailed the Western genre.

My two biggest problems with GTA IV were the controls and their desire to take the story somewhat more seriously. The on-foot controls had been bad for the entire series, but I reached my breaking point when the driving controls became less arcadey and more unforgiving - which may parallel their poor attempt to make the story more serious, as well.

RDR solved both of these issues: The controls are very serviceable, and the Deadeye aiming system made shooting much better than it ever was in a GTA game. As for the story, they committed fully to telling a serious, classical Western tale, complete with a complicated protagonist. I think in leaving the GTA world, where humor was a part of the DNA, they were able to make a clean break and really stretch their creative muscles.

Anyway, if you like Westerns at all, try it. Everything is perfect: The visuals, the sound - seriously, the sound is amazingly great, story, gameplay, everything is in service to the whole.

Simply put, it's art.

I'm playing through RDR at the moment, and so far prefer it to GTA. It may be the different pace, but I also find that I move through the area easier. I'm just leaving the first map to go to Mexico, so this may change, but I've never felt lost in the RDR maps like I did in GTA, despite a lot of it just being wilderness. I move about it more instinctively than I do in GTA.

DudleySmith wrote:

It's not all super serious, there are goofy and stupid aspects that I wish weren't there (and I could have done without the whole Mexico sequence - you could take the whole thing out and not change the main story), but it's probably the single best game of that Xbox 360 / PS3.

Almost all of the Mexico stuff is an omage to a Corbucci western, Il Mercenario, which I suggest you check out.
Rockstar makes games based on films, more at 11.

Oh, it was very atmospheric, but looking back on it from the perspective of the whole story it's a big hunk of padding. He could have gone straight to Blackwater from Armadillo and nothing in his arc would have changed.

DudleySmith wrote:

Oh, it was very atmospheric, but looking back on it from the perspective of the whole story it's a big hunk of padding. He could have gone straight to Blackwater from Armadillo and nothing in his arc would have changed.

I don't know whether to blame their love of Corbucci or the structure of open world games.
Little this, little that, I assume.
Would have been nice to see some of those Mexico characters later on.

I think the Mexico part would be more appreciated if it hadn't been so long, particularly since it was a diversion from the main story.

Right, well I need to check this out then, thanks for the replies

Mexico was nice if just for the change in scenery.

Hm. Sony announced the original RDR is coming to PS Now. So I guess any hope of a remaster/rerelease is dead. XB1 backwards compat, or PS Now are the only choices it seems.

On the plus side, PS Now is on PC, so you can play it there.

Yeah. I just can't bring myself to buy into the concept of renting streamable games for a monthly fee. Old PS3 games at that.

beanman101283 wrote:

On the plus side, PS Now is on PC, so you can play it there.

I'm looking at the PS Now page, and one of the things it says is required is a Dualshock 4 controller. Is that really required, or is there a workaround so that I can use the Xbox controller that I already own?

Orphu wrote:

Yeah. I just can't bring myself to buy into the concept of renting streamable games for a monthly fee. Old PS3 games at that.

PS Now has a 7-day free trial, so if I'd definitely use that to play RDR on my PC if the service doesn't force me to buy a $50 controller.

MeatMan wrote:
beanman101283 wrote:

On the plus side, PS Now is on PC, so you can play it there.

I'm looking at the PS Now page, and one of the things it says is required is a Dualshock 4 controller. Is that really required, or is there a workaround so that I can use the Xbox controller that I already own?

Don't know. There's someone out there who claims they got it to work. I'd sign up for the trial and see for yourself. Motion controls would require the DualShock.

beanman101283 wrote:

On the plus side, PS Now is on PC, so you can play it there.

Except, of course, it's not on the available game list.

Orphu wrote:

Yeah. I just can't bring myself to buy into the concept of renting streamable games for a monthly fee. Old PS3 games at that.

I'm actually intrigued. I never did take to console gaming. Mostly because it was always a pain to get set up for it. Unlike many, I'm geared up to play on my PC in my computer space and moving to the living room and setting it all up was always too high a barrier. So being able to go back and play some of the PS3 exclusives I enjoyed (Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted) on my PC is actually interesting. I'm going to did out a USB controller and give the 7 day trial a go. Once the Civ VI, Stellaris, and Total Warhammer claws loosen a little... Seriously, 3 strategy game updates/releases on the same day??

Moggy wrote:
beanman101283 wrote:

On the plus side, PS Now is on PC, so you can play it there.

Except, of course, it's not on the available game list.

Sounds like there's no date yet other than "coming soon."

beanman101283 wrote:
MeatMan wrote:
beanman101283 wrote:

On the plus side, PS Now is on PC, so you can play it there.

I'm looking at the PS Now page, and one of the things it says is required is a Dualshock 4 controller. Is that really required, or is there a workaround so that I can use the Xbox controller that I already own?

Don't know. There's someone out there who claims they got it to work. I'd sign up for the trial and see for yourself. Motion controls would require the DualShock.

I Googled and found this video with a guy installing PS Now and successfully playing God of War 2 with his Xbox 360 wired controller, which is what I have. The PS Now software noticed that he's not using a Dualshock controller, but all that happened was it displayed a message about Dualshock being "the best experience" or whatever.

The announcement of RDR2 made me think that maybe I'd give the first one another shot. I got bored somewhere around Mexico when it first came out, and got rid of it.

Checked prices of the GOTY version, and it seems like the Xbone backwards compatibility jacked the used prices up for $20-30 for the 360 version. Well, guess I won't be trying that.

Either the prices will come back down, or they'll get around to releasing it on PC, I guess.

Odd, I picked up the GOTY version yesterday - new - for the local equivalent of US $20. Of course the digital download version on Xbox.com is twice that price, with no resale potential.

Some random thoughts a few hours in:

This is a good game.

At first I thought there was a problem with the graphics, then I noticed the 360 was on 1080i output. With that sorted out it looks fantastic.

There was one explanation of the shooting / slow time thing which I have already forgotten.
There was one explanation of the cover system which I have mostly forgotten.
As a result of these I've seen the "dead" screen frequently - most often in random encounters where I'm supposed to be helping someone.

I lost honour by shooting someone random who shot me first.

The first "stranger" mission involved riding to a spot in the wilderness to look for someone and only finding some remains. This happened twice, but the location and remains were exactly the same. Hopefully this improves.

The main story has been great so far. Except for the cattle herding (wherein the cows just went where they were going, I followed and everyone said I was good at it)

Yeah I remember the "tutorials" being.. less than stellar. The bullet time thing is fairly essential so don't be afraid to look up how to do it properly. There are a few upgrades to it as well that change how it works, though I don't recall the details.

Well, I've now learned how not to get shot at by random strangers (don't aim a gun at them!). There was another shooting tutorial so I have that mostly sorted now, although I ran across someone calling for help, stopped to help - but when I finished shooting everyone was dead, including the one I was supposed to rescue. Oops.

Enjoying the story and atmosphere a lot.

Finished the game last night.

Excellent overall, although during the final part I was ready for it to be over before the end. Part of that was due to not wanting to find out what terrible final event would happen and almost daring to hope that it would turn out OK...

I almost missed the final final stranger mission, don't know why that wasn't considered a story mission.

Now - what's this "undead nightmare" all about? Worth looking at or quit while I'm ahead? I'm not usually big on DLC unless it's very well constructed and/or directly builds on to the main game/story. This feels like it might not be those things.

Redherring wrote:

Now - what's this "undead nightmare" all about? Worth looking at or quit while I'm ahead? I'm not usually big on DLC unless it's very well constructed and/or directly builds on to the main game/story. This feels like it might not be those things.

I had a blast playing Undead Nightmare, which was easy since I loved RDR. It's well-constructed but doesn't build upon the story of RDR; it's a different story. The premise is that you, as John Marston, are trying find a cure for the plague that has spread across the frontier. There is lots of zombie-shooting, which wasn't yet done to death in 2010, but if you're totally uninterested in anything related to zombies, you can safely skip Undead Nightmare.

Undead Nightmare is a fun, humorous return to a RDR filled with zombies. However, the gameplay is pretty dang one-note. I spent most of the time on rooftops shooting at zombies, as being on their level was instant death.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

I spent most of the time on rooftops shooting at zombies, as being on their level was instant death.

Dealing with zombies at ground level is no problem. As Moe from DGR sang on one of the songs from their ZomBOOsical album (next to last song), you gotta "Aim For The Brain, Baby".

Also, there is a button (or button combo) that you can push when at point blank range that puts your gun under the chin of the zombie and blows its head off. You don't even have to aim. I used this technique a LOT. You can see it demostrated on the zombie wearing a dress in this video at 3:22, right after the place where I have the link cued to play.

I loved 'Undead Nightmare'. This was in large part because it was such an unexpected and surprising piece of DLC. At the time no one was releasing as DLC what was effectively an entire new game (certainly not on consoles). It tended to be a map and a mode here or a set of additional missions there.

If you can pick it up for a handful of £s/$s, then I'd say definitely give it a whirl.

Don't you get it with the base game these days? I'm sure I did when I bought it from Live?

Okay with the advent of HBO's Westworld I really want to do a new play through. Guess I'll be dusting off the PS3 soon to dive back in.

I went back to it last night after a short break. I'm still really enjoying it, but starting to feel the drag that people talk about once you've spent some time in Mexico.