Apple Tablet

Will this be Apple's first real "flop"?
No, because I was a first generation owner of one of these bad boys:

At 500-700, it would be hard for me to resist. At $1k, I can't see it.

Apple has had flops in the past. Not saying this one will be. Everyone has been speculating on what it will be, but only Jobs knows for sure. As crude as it may sound, I do remind all that Jobs has said that he never wanted to create a device that people take into the bathroom. Well..ok..iPhone maybe the exception. I don't think it matters what all of you want from the tablet, it matters what Apple thinks you want and need. Is it fun to speculate? Yes, of course, but that is not how Apple works.

It is interesting though with the latest news that Apple is cozying up to Bing.

Kind of OT, but kind of not. Leo Lapporte showing off the Newton. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzIV8...

Price is a huge concern.. at $500 unsubsidized the iPhone is expensive.. does that mean the tablet ends up at $700? That might be to expensive when full featured laptops are that price.

TheGameguru wrote:

Price is a huge concern.. at $500 unsubsidized the iPhone is expensive.. does that mean the tablet ends up at $700? That might be to expensive when full featured laptops are that price.

I'm betting it's priced at $999. I don't think Apple will get the price down until the 2nd gen model.

Ulairi wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

Price is a huge concern.. at $500 unsubsidized the iPhone is expensive.. does that mean the tablet ends up at $700? That might be to expensive when full featured laptops are that price.

I'm betting it's priced at $999. I don't think Apple will get the price down until the 2nd gen model.

I think that price will be a huge issue for most.. at that price its a niche product.. certainly not going to be sold in iPhone numbers.

I think price is really the biggest issue Apple has if it is tablet (it could be Apple Girl Scout Cookies mmmm Samoa). Even if the device is just an enlarged iPhone, people aren't going to want to pay 1000$ for a tablet (granted it is an assumption but we are in a bad economy, right?). Apple doesn't like to lose money on hardware. This to me is why I think it's a risky move to go tablet for them at this time.

I think at $1000 its a very very tough sell, because it's right up against a Macbook.

I think the missing link here is that a tablet doesn't actually have to be more powerful than an iPhone 3GS to sell well, it jsut has to be BIGGER. You could remove all the phone tech from a GS, and scale up the size, and I think you're in the ballpark of how snappy an dhow fat it has to be. Think 32 gigs total memory and the like.

I would be really surprised if it is more than $800. At $1,000 it will eat into Macbook sales even more. If I remember right the breakdown reports on the iPhone are it costs less than $250 in parts right now. I've also read Apple has been surprised at the success of the app store and if the tablet is going to be iPhone-like with an app store OS they might be willing to sacrifice some hardware profit to spur app store/itunes sales.

EDIT: Here it is. $180 breakdown for the 3GS as of last June, I'm sure it is cheaper now. And if you assume the tablet doesn't need all the cell/3G chips then it has savings there too.

rabbit wrote:

I think at $1000 its a very very tough sell, because it's right up against a Macbook.

I think the missing link here is that a tablet doesn't actually have to be more powerful than an iPhone 3GS to sell well, it jsut has to be BIGGER. You could remove all the phone tech from a GS, and scale up the size, and I think you're in the ballpark of how snappy an dhow fat it has to be. Think 32 gigs total memory and the like.

It'd be awesome if they were netbook priced $400 - $500 would be pretty sweet. But, this is Apple and I think they want to go for the high end consumer. if they upscale the size wouldn't they need more powerful hardware to support the new size?

Why are we picking $1000? Is it just for a nice round number or do we have actual facts that says it should be that number or near it?

I wonder if a tablet will have heat issues? I know my Droid heads up when I'm using it for a while and I imagine the iPhone/Touch do as well. If it has to power an 8" screen, will they be able dissapate the heat well enough for a useful life?

Since iPhones retail for $600, and tablets most likely will not be subsidized by a mobile carrier, I can't see this thing going for less than $800.

But if it is around $500, I'm in.

I think the missing link here is that a tablet doesn't actually have to be more powerful than an iPhone 3GS to sell well, it jsut has to be BIGGER. You could remove all the phone tech from a GS, and scale up the size, and I think you're in the ballpark of how snappy an dhow fat it has to be. Think 32 gigs total memory and the like.

oof.. I hope you are incorrect.. pushing polygons at that resolution and screen size I would hope its more powerful than the 3GS... as well as allowing true multi-tasking and background processing.

Obviously beefier would be GOOD, I'm just saying they could make an upscaled iPod Touch and it would likely sell. It wouldn't be a great gaming platform, but as a productivity/surfing tool i think it would get the job done.

Alas, I think it probably will be beefier, it will be $999, and I'll be trying to find a way to justify buying one.

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Hey guys, wouldn't it be great if your iPhone was too big to fit in your pocket, more expensive, and unable to make phone calls? All trolling aside, I don't see the utility for this device. In some cases, trying to find the "sweet spot" between two disparate applications results in a device where the compromises outweigh the benefits (a health-care bill analogy is in there somewhere).

Also...

Hey guys, wouldn't it be great if your laptop had a smaller screen, an inferior input method, and no peripheral support?

Give me a 7"+ screen, backwards compatibility with my current iPhone apps, 100 GB+ HD for under $800 and I'll buy it with out question. If it has some kind of magical screen I can comfortably read a book on and watch "HD" videos on I'll pay more. However, I wouldn't blindly make the plunge if it wasn't running an OS that was nearly identical to the iPhone.

elewis17 wrote:

Give me a 7"+ screen, backwards compatibility with my current iPhone apps, 100 GB+ HD for under $800 and I'll buy it with out question. If it has some kind of magical screen I can comfortably read a book on and watch "HD" videos on I'll pay more. However, I wouldn't blindly make the plunge if it wasn't running an OS that was nearly identical to the iPhone.

It'll almost definitely have (non upgradable) flash storage rather than a hard drive. A drive with moving parts would eat more battery and have higher failure rates. The OS will likely be a modified version of the iPhone's. The differences will depend on how far Apple thinks they can push developers to write for two platforms.

My guess would be minimal storage and maximum connectivity back to your existing iTunes installation (think of streaming, or some other kind of *gasp* subscription for content). That would let them keep the hardware margins high and push all of their costs into software.

Less than 24 hours to go! Amazing how things have changed, regarding Apple product rollout, and how much speculation is being tossed around by the media. But i think:

$799
$599 with a subscription/contract for media
64gb flash memory storage
new software product for e-reading with focus on education/textbooks
no camera
new itunes rollout with lala and itablet integration planned
mobile me revision
new ilife with itablet version

Tablets have always suck and will always suck. Incasing it in overpriced white plastic wont change that.

Multra wrote:

Tablets have always suck and will always suck. Incasing it in overpriced white plastic wont change that.

You've seen one?

I think there is a good chance that a tablet could go the way of the Apple TV. But I'd like to see what they put out before calling something that sucks.

Jayhawker wrote:
Multra wrote:

Tablets have always suck and will always suck. Incasing it in overpriced white plastic wont change that.

You've seen one?

I think there is a good chance that a tablet could go the way of the Apple TV. But I'd like to see what they put out before calling something that sucks.

Chances it's white = zero.

Chances it'll be encased in Unobtanium, pretty good.

rabbit wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:
Multra wrote:

Tablets have always suck and will always suck. Incasing it in overpriced white plastic wont change that.

You've seen one?

I think there is a good chance that a tablet could go the way of the Apple TV. But I'd like to see what they put out before calling something that sucks.

Chances it's white = zero.

I've assumed black or silver all along. But it really comes down to feature set. When Apple TV was announced, I was pretty excited. When it came down to the features, not so much.

My wife is a voracious reader, but has refused to gt on the Kindle bandwagon. I kind of figured she would be all over it. But when she has checked them, as well as Sony's, out, it just hasn't done anything for her. But for the last couple of months she has been talking about Apple's new Kindle killer that is rumored to come out. While she is far more pro Mac than she used to be, I think what has her excited about Apple getting into the e-reader business is how Apple has designed products that really worked for her. She is excited to see what Jobs puts together in the way of an e-reader.

But I still think the between price and potential features, it is more likely we are going to pass on this item. But it is exciting to see what they have come up with.

Jayhawker wrote:

My wife is a voracious reader, but has refused to gt on the Kindle bandwagon. I kind of figured she would be all over it. But when she has checked them, as well as Sony's, out, it just hasn't done anything for her. But for the last couple of months she has been talking about Apple's new Kindle killer that is rumored to come out. While she is far more pro Mac than she used to be, I think what has her excited about Apple getting into the e-reader business is how Apple has designed products that really worked for her. She is excited to see what Jobs puts together in the way of an e-reader.

I doubt the Apple Tablet will have free cellular based internet access to download the books, have a battery life that can even come close to matching, or be as easy on the eyes as e-ink is. For reading, any device that uses an active screen will be inferior. Now, active displays are great for watching movies or browsing the web. I am very interested in what tablets are coming down the pipe (though I could care less about the apple one) but not as an e-reader.

kazar wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

My wife is a voracious reader, but has refused to gt on the Kindle bandwagon. I kind of figured she would be all over it. But when she has checked them, as well as Sony's, out, it just hasn't done anything for her. But for the last couple of months she has been talking about Apple's new Kindle killer that is rumored to come out. While she is far more pro Mac than she used to be, I think what has her excited about Apple getting into the e-reader business is how Apple has designed products that really worked for her. She is excited to see what Jobs puts together in the way of an e-reader.

I doubt the Apple Tablet will have free cellular based internet access to download the books, have a battery life that can even come close to matching, or be as easy on the eyes as e-ink is. For reading, any device that uses an active screen will be inferior. Now, active displays are great for watching movies or browsing the web. I am very interested in what tablets are coming down the pipe (though I could care less about the apple one) but not as an e-reader.

I see no reason for cellular based access, but I wouldn't be surprised at all of it worked wit hthe iPhone in this regard. I also think it needs to be a dedicated e-reader, not a tablet, or the reason you stated. I think a tablet for watching movies, browsing the web, and probably playing games is nota good fit at all. We have laptops, and that feature they have, where the screen sits upright, works really well for those activities.

Now, if a dedicated e-reader comes from Apple with some other features, that might be interesting.

I'm wondering what the Apple Tablet will do that the Archos doesn't do. They've got 5,7, and 9" archos devices that do quite a bit. They're designed as media players but they do internet with Flash. Will the new tablet ipod have flash?

I was pretty interested in this until I purchased an old HP TC1100 tablet pc. I'm still interested but the TC100 runs windows 7 and does everything I want. It's likely much bigger than the iSlate but it's a fully functioning laptop with the keyboard attached. Battery life is not great by todays standards but it's not bad. No finger touch but the pen is quite nice. It's really a nice device and has replaced my netbook.

McGraw-Hill gives up the goods, but still no cost or real details.

the company has been working with Apple for some time now and will offer 95 percent of its materials on the device... the device will run the iPhone OS, allowing for transferability between existing iPhone OS devices...

I was surprised by the 95% number. eReader makers have been trying to get textbook makers on board for years, now Apple comes along and they throw 95% of their stuff at them. The textbook market will be huge as long as they can compete with the used prices.

LeapingGnome wrote:

McGraw-Hill gives up the goods, but still no cost or real details.

the company has been working with Apple for some time now and will offer 95 percent of its materials on the device... the device will run the iPhone OS, allowing for transferability between existing iPhone OS devices...

I was surprised by the 95% number. eReader makers have been trying to get textbook makers on board for years, now Apple comes along and they throw 95% of their stuff at them. The textbook market will be huge as long as they can compete with the used prices.

Interesting. I was just thinking about how nice a Kindle might be for textbooks as I lugged a bag full of books around today. But I'm not sure how much more I would pay to make that happen. I have two more years of of school coming up, so this could be interesting if Apple makes it a smart way to acquire textbooks.

One of my initial rationalizations for the first Kindle was using it for schoolwork (which worked and... didn't work. Damn you delayed native PDF support!) Maybe the McGraw deal is different, but textbook manufacturers aren't lowering the prices for eBook versions, so the cost savings are limited. Also, it's being released as E-ink continues to drop in price, which I find interesting since the biggest original arguments against dedicated e-readers were things like the Kindle not hitting the $200 "sweet spot".

Dropping $1,000 for a new laptop for college I can see. Dropping the $1,000 on your laptop, then on an iTablet, and THEN your books, I would be surprised at the average student being able to pull that off.

If their content pricing succeeds, and the device itself takes off, the potential for it to make the concept of digitally distributed textbooks mainstream would be fantastic. I don't see textbook manufacturers turning down any potential eBook market once they jump on board, meaning us E-ink lovers would get a taste as well.

Edit: Actually, battery-life issues aside, a touch-sensitive tablet would solve one of the most annoying parts of trying to use an eBook vs. a physical book: page flipping. Three fingers could flip you 5, 10, 50 pages in any direction, and one- or two-finger swipes could do a single page. Making it easy to check footnotes, the index, etc.

When you're using a textbook that involves checking information on multiple pages, quickly, current eBooks suck.

Edit: Also, if Apple swung a deal where you get 4 or 5 "free" textbooks when you buy a tablet, it'd be a lot easier to rationalize buying one as a student. There were some semesters where it felt like every book I needed was $80-100 and up.

Unfortunately, because so much in academia relies on the easy exchange of information, the rise of strict licensing agreements and the decline of used textbook markets could actually make it much more difficult to cooperate and further academic goals. I don't know how anyone else's university is doing, but we cut millions from our budget last year, and there's millions more being cut this year, and it's down to the bone. It's at a point where every little bit counts, and that includes content pricing. One thing some serials never anticipated was even if they can lock us into the convenience of digital distribution, the high prices force us to be even more selective on what we subscribe to. Causing them to raise prices. Causing us to... you get the idea. It kind of relates back to our various discussions about digital distribution of books and games. Sometimes these companies have too narrow of a focus when they rabidly pursue the agenda of eliminating second-hand markets.

Sorry, I know that last part is a tangent, it was just a train of thought.

Edit: Of course, changes in how the content is priced and sold could change the current cycle of rising costs, as well. What if anyone with a tablet or eReader could download the appropriately DRMed textbook (proxies or whatever, same as a database), so a university could in theory license a book to its entire population, or at least an entire department. That would make it available at a hopefully reduced cost (possibly even lower than some of the used prices), and readily available.

Alright, alright. I'll stop. But the McGraw thing has my gears working. I do sit in a library all day.