I think the Tiger Woods situation just got turned up to 11

Bear wrote:
mudbunny wrote:

My prediction - In a couple of weeks, Tiger and Elin will end up on a show somewhere (Oprah, 20/20 or something like that), where they will talk about it, Tiger will acknowledge his mistake, and state that they are going to counselling to help restore their marriage.

Elin's moved out and his sponsors are waivering. At this point, a chat with Oprah might be the last thing left that he can cling to.

Eh, he'll go away for a couple years and disappear. Everyone will forget then he'll reemerge and everyone will be like, Oh, yeah, he's a great golfer. Provided he doesn't do something stupid in the interim and turn into Jon whathisname from the Hyper-Breeder show.

I'd be more worried about the fate of the PGA without Tiger.

larrymadill wrote:

I'd be more worried about the fate of the PGA without Tiger.

The PGA existed before Tiger, it'll exist after him.

One thing is for certain...Phil Mickelson just became the #1 golfer in the world without even swinging. He's now THE guy.

Anthony Kim and others now actually have a chance of winning a tournament.

Kehama wrote:

You've cheated on a swede?

If I ever do I'll be the first to hurl eggs at myself.

Wait, where does it say his sponsors are waivering? last I heard, they're all solidly behind him.

Bear wrote:

There is going to be some unbelievably nasty sh*t screamed at him this year. Don't lose sight of the fact that the PGA pro's are in absurdly close proximity to their fans when compared to other sports.

Aren't they also held to a higher standard of behavior than the average NFL player? It doesn't seem like shouting at players is tolerated, but I've never been on the course during a tournament.

PGA without Tiger is like baseball... Plays to the wrong demographic for a wide audience: Old White Guys. There was a statistic floating around a while back -- When Tiger is in competition on a Sunday the audience is something like double when he isn't. The PGA isn't going to go away but I have no doubt that there will be a massive loss of interest in most pro golf tournaments.

Seth wrote:

Wait, where does it say his sponsors are waivering? last I heard, they're all solidly behind him.

Agreed, but the last time we heard anything publicly from his sponsors was 7-8 mistresses ago. I doubt any of his sponsors want to be the first to drop him, but if one of them does, I wonder if the dominoes might start falling.

MyBrainHz wrote:
Seth wrote:

Wait, where does it say his sponsors are waivering? last I heard, they're all solidly behind him.

Agreed, but the last time we heard anything publicly from his sponsors was 7-8 mistresses ago. I doubt any of his sponsors want to be the first to drop him, but if one of them does, I wonder if the dominoes might start falling.

Right now, Tiger and his team are trying to figure out what show to go on to apologize. I am 100% certain that a) his sponsors are supporting him; and b) that support is conditional upon him showing some sort of remorse.

What also needs to be kept in mind that, as of yet, we don't have any admission that any of this is true. I am certain that a couple of them are true, but how many of the others that have shown up are just girls looking for a little time in the spotlight...

mudbunny wrote:

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Both good points.

Bear wrote:
mudbunny wrote:

My prediction - In a couple of weeks, Tiger and Elin will end up on a show somewhere (Oprah, 20/20 or something like that), where they will talk about it, Tiger will acknowledge his mistake, and state that they are going to counselling to help restore their marriage.

Elin's moved out and his sponsors are waivering. At this point, a chat with Oprah might be the last thing left that he can cling to.

I would think Oprah, and her audience of 20 million women, would be about the last place Tiger would want to be right now. Howard Stern? yeah, maybe.

Should I feel bad that I really just don't care?

If he cheated, she should leave him, take half and be on her way. If that isn't enough for him to learn his lesson, then some other nice young blonde woman will be rich in a few years as well.

Why is it that we are so mortified and entranced when a famous person cheats but don't bat an eye when the neighbor does it?

I am pretty sure my neighbors are more significant to my life than Tiger, Kobe and these other freaks of nature are.

**Edit**and considering what half is, if this is not enough for him to learn, we need to get him a math tutor.

Seth wrote:

Wait, where does it say his sponsors are waivering? last I heard, they're all solidly behind him.

I heard Colin Cowherd at ESPN say this morning that there are reports that some of his sponsors are "wobbling". I don't think that the major ones like Nike will move yet but some of the lesser might be a bit reluctant to re-up.

Seth wrote:

Wait, where does it say his sponsors are waivering? last I heard, they're all solidly behind him.

From MSNBC, he has his sponsors locked in tight for years to come. The kid ain't stupid, just dumb.

If I had even the slightest chance of someda earning billions of dollars, I'd never ever ever never get married to anyone, not even in one of those mormon things where you can marry 5 girls and they all looked like Megan Fox

Leave him alone, everyone makes mistakes! multiple times! Plus who cares, it's his life, I know a lot more people that cheat on their spouses and no one gives a crap...

Funkenpants wrote:

Aren't they also held to a higher standard of behavior than the average NFL player? It doesn't seem like shouting at players is tolerated, but I've never been on the course during a tournament.

At the tournaments I've been to you are literally a few feet from the players. In fact, yelling wouldnt' even be necessary. If you're in the right spot you could pretty much whisper some horrifically filthy sh*t and they players would hear you. Colin Montgomerie and Sergio Garcia were both targets of the fans a few years ago. Montgomerie no longer plays in the U.S. and Sergio has since made amends. It really depends on the tournament though. Some have a MUCH rowdier atmosphere than others. I can see some rather distasteful things being yelled at the TPC Scottsdale but doing the same thing at the Masters will get you shown the gate.

mudbunny wrote:

What also needs to be kept in mind that, as of yet, we don't have any admission that any of this is true. I am certain that a couple of them are true, but how many of the others that have shown up are just girls looking for a little time in the spotlight...

Tiger has stated that he is guilty of "transgressions". What he didn't say was that he's had so many that he's lost track. At this rate, I doubt he can remember.

Keep in mind that back before he got married he did an interview where he basically said, "I screw anything that moves."
Getting married made him even more money, he was seen as a stable person since he was so private anyway.
I am still convinced that his entire, "My wife saved my life with the golf club and the rest of you are assholes." comment was to keep his wife from going away in handcuffs since Florida like many states has a domestic abuse policy where someone (usually the agressor) goes away for a night or two in the pokey, afterall it was his dick that got him trouble, it was the least he could do for Elin. That isn't to say my opinion matters jack-poo, it's just BS otherwise and once you leave your driveway and run over public property it's not a personal matter anymore.
Finally, I don't see him ever going on an Oprah/Barbara Walters to tell his story. Not if his game isn't affected anyway. The hubris is too big.

There is one thing, in particular, I find interesting in that article, and that I also heard on the radio this morning. Before the crash Tiger had supposedly taken Ambien, Vicodin, and been drinking on top of that. That's a pretty dangerous cocktail right there.

Now, I don't follow golf, so I don't know the timeline, but the radio guys said his knee operation happened well over a year ago, and that if he's still using Vicodin, he's most likely developed a pain killer addiction. I tend to agree with this. If you're still popping Vicodin more than a year after an operation, something is wrong.

Golf is such a mental game to begin with. It'll be interesting to see if he can recover from this.

This may have already been hinted at... But, as I read the title of this thread I first thought maybe it was new info on Tiger 11. Then it got me thinking. Maybe they can add some crazy mini-game where you drive an Escalade while trying to shake your pissed-off wife who clubbing your windows in. Opportunities for great post process effects abound:-)

gizmo wrote:

Why is it that we are so mortified and entranced when a famous person cheats but don't bat an eye when the neighbor does it?

Actually, I think our cultural attitude is much the reverse. We're horrified when someone we know well commits adultery, but should a celebrity do it, we chalk it up to the natural consequence of being in the public eye. Which, personally, I think is a weird double-standard, considering a) there's nothing about a talent for golf (or acting or politics or baseball or whatever) that requires the simultaneous inability to remain faithful to one's spouse, and b) you'd think those constantly surrounded by cameras would have an inclination to treat their loved ones better, not worse. But then again, I'm neither a public personality nor a golf prodigy.

I think this whole story is sad. I get no joy in seeing children's heroes revealed to be sex-addled jerkfaces.

KaterinLHC wrote:

Which, personally, I think is a weird double-standard, considering a) there's nothing about a talent for golf (or acting or politics or baseball or whatever) that requires the simultaneous inability to remain faithful to one's spouse, and b) you'd think those constantly surrounded by cameras would have an inclination to treat their loved ones better, not worse. But then again, I'm neither a public personality nor a golf prodigy.

Well I think you answered your question right there: ego. When you've got the self-confidence to feel you can do no wrong, and are surrounded by yesmen and cameras it's easy to think the world exists just to serve you. So you always get the same pattern with celebrities: transgression, allegation, denial, evidence, scandal; Woods, Clinton, Blagojevich, Spitzer, Jon & Kate...

KaterinLHC wrote:
gizmo wrote:

Why is it that we are so mortified and entranced when a famous person cheats but don't bat an eye when the neighbor does it?

Actually, I think our cultural attitude is much the reverse. We're horrified when someone we know well commits adultery, but should a celebrity do it, we chalk it up to the natural consequence of being in the public eye. Which, personally, I think is a weird double-standard, considering a) there's nothing about a talent for golf (or acting or politics or baseball or whatever) that requires the simultaneous inability to remain faithful to one's spouse, and b) you'd think those constantly surrounded by cameras would have an inclination to treat their loved ones better, not worse. But then again, I'm neither a public personality nor a golf prodigy.

I think this whole story is sad. I get no joy in seeing children's heroes revealed to be sex-addled jerkfaces.

The double standard seems to come from the idea of the groupie; that is, that famous people have so many offers of sex and opportunities for infidelity that it would take a herculean effort to resist temptation at all times in all ways. People in our society tend to shrug and say, "I couldn't do it, either." It's important to note that this is a standard applied primarily to men; female celebrities generally get tarred, feathered, and scarlet lettered when they have affairs.

adam.greenbrier wrote:

The double standard seems to come from the idea of the groupie; that is, that famous people have so many offers of sex and opportunities for infidelity that it would take a herculean effort to resist temptation at all times in all ways. People in our society tend to shrug and say, "I couldn't do it, either." It's important to note that this is a standard applied primarily to men; female celebrities generally get tarred, feathered, and scarlet lettered when they have affairs.

Not always, as sometimes the comments tend to be "Well if I was with that asshole I'd cheat too.."

I've just seen a picture of his wife. What kind of a crazy world is it when a man can come home to her and say, "Meh."?

Grenn wrote:

I've just seen a picture of his wife. What kind of a crazy world is it when a man can come home to her and say, "Meh."?

The kind of world that also produces Rachel Uchitel!

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I'd give her a hole in one...

The same kinda world when a guy cheats on Christie Brinkley.

When you are married to her, you automatically win *any* bragging contest.

"I just won the lottery"
"Meh, I'm tapping Christie Brinkley."
"You win."

"I just got promoted to president of a multinational company!!"
"Meh, I'm tapping Christie Brinkley."
"You win."

"I just won the superbowl"
"Meh, I'm tapping Christie Brinkley."
"You win."

Grenn wrote:

I've just seen a picture of his wife. What kind of a crazy world is it when a man can come home to her and say, "Meh."?

For every beautiful woman there's a guy that's tired of banging her.

gizmo wrote:

Should I feel bad that I really just don't care?

Nope. I don't get cable and I was on vacation for a few days recently. I was like 3 days behind on the news and just shrugged when I read it. I don't remember the statistic, but a large majority of people in general cheat. Especially the famous. Not a giant shocker. Monogamy is not the easiest thing to pull off.

Also, it's very tired how guys always talk about looks. Maybe Christy Brinkley (insert other concensus hottie here) is boring. It's not all about perfect bodies.

trip1eX wrote:

For every beautiful woman there's a guy that's tired of banging her.

I've always assumed is that it's like living in a beautiful house in Paris. It may be your favorite city, but that doesn't mean you don't want to visit Rome. Or Tokyo. Or Bali. Or any one of a thousand other homes that are just waiting to welcome through the front door. Or back door, if that's what you're into.