Dragon Age: Origins Catch-All

Atras wrote:

So, I am getting close to finishing this for my first play-through, and the Landsmeet did not go nearly as well as I was hoping it would.

Spoiler:

I had arranged for Alastair and the Queen to get married - neither one particularly wanted it, but it was the best compromise I could see - a known, liked capable ruler married to noble blood who can lead the nation in a battle. I had let the Elf slaver live so that I would have access to the proof of Loghain's involvement in that dirty business. I let the disgusting Earl's son out of his prison from Earl Howe's house to get his voice added to my side in the Landsmeet. I had the Templar who was chasing the Blood Mage who poisoned the Earl of Redcliffe willing to speak to that. I thought I had enough evidence and support to be able to end Loghain's usurping with minimal bloodshed, but the Landsmeet went in his favor.

Since this would obviously mean the end of the game, I guess I understand the game forcing you to fight the "rightful" ruler, but it still felt wrong. As expected, in a melee, my team won, and the Chantry called for an end to the fight before Loghain could be killed. So a duel, single combat, was called for. I had Alastair fight Loghain, which turns out to be a mistake, since he beheads his after winning the duel, ruining any hope of my arranged marriage working out. I gave Alastair the throne, since so many people expressed a belief that noble blood was required on the throne, and I still had some hope that Anora would change her mind with the rule out of her reach otherwise. Instead, Alastair says to lock her up, and she says she would have had him killed, so I guess I picked somewhat wisely there, even though the kingdom lost a capable ruler, and I pissed off a friend.

Now I am off to Redcliffe, my hopes of leaving King Alastair of the Grey Wardens with his new wife and taking the defeated and (hopefully) still useful Loghain to lead the armies of the land in a fight against an Archdemon crushed. Instead I take the armies of Ferelden to fight for survival with an unwilling King, a brutal killing dwarf, a dying Mage and a ranged Bard; but a lack of a tactical genius and a secure throne behind me.

Can anyone help assure me that I didn't mess up the Landsmeet beyond all repair?

You did fine. That's going to lead to one of 4 possible endings. Well, less than that, because that was a decision point. Game-wise, you should be fine.

Can anyone help assure me that I didn't mess up the Landsmeet beyond all repair?

There's really no "wrong" way for that to turn out, and what you have there is a pretty interesting tale in that its far different from the one I got. One of the things I liked most about that section of the game was how many different possibilities there seem to have been.

Atras wrote:

So, I am getting close to finishing this for my first play-through, and the Landsmeet did not go nearly as well as I was hoping it would.

Spoiler:

I had arranged for Alastair and the Queen to get married - neither one particularly wanted it, but it was the best compromise I could see - a known, liked capable ruler married to noble blood who can lead the nation in a battle.

Well that's the way I had my Landsmeet go. But it's been a few months, and I can't specifically tell you how I got there. That's where the wiki comes in handy, it can tell you what dialog lines to follow to get the desired result you want out of a situation.

I got your desired outcome on my second playthrough. I quite liked the idea of Loghain sacrificing himself, and Allister as king is awesome.

The way my game actually ended:

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So I was all prepared to sacrifice myself to take out the Archdemon. I had sent Morrigan away early on, and even though Wynne advised me to not get close to Lileana, I did it. I felt really bad about ignoring Wynne when Riordan told me about the fate one of us would have to face, knowing that I couldn't get Alastair set up as King only to have him die the next day, but it was what must be done to stop the Blight. Imagine my surprise when Morrigan got into Arl Eamon's estate in Denerim, with a way for me to survive the coming fight. It was a little silly that the resulting cut scene was set up with a playful, sexy feel, instead of the "duty must be served, and this protects my heart" feel that was actually going on.

We fight through the city, killing one General on the way - I really wish I had found the second one, his reinforcements were a pain during the final fight. After I killed the Archdemon, I got a moderately happy ending. Wynne would be an advisor to Alastair, when he wasn't dodging his royal duties. Lileana and I would ride off into the sunset, sadly leaving Zehvram behind - I don't think Lileana would have been too tolerant of sharing me, but I was tempted to invite him anyway. Sten went home, I was made a Paragon, the Dwarf who wanted entry to the Circle did really well there, the Elves lives were better. What I was really saddened by was the fate of the Dwarves. I had asked Alastair to provide more support to them in the Deep Roads, so the Dwarves were able to reclaim some of the tunnels. It seems that Harrowmont's reign was not terribly effective, and his death resulted in yet another mess for the Dwarven people.

Now I am torn, do I jump right into Awakenings (and will my companion at the end of Origins come with me?), or try some other paths through the main game to see what could have been different. I never followed much of Morrigan's story, and didn't have much to do with Sten or even meet Shale.

I really liked the game, though. I might have put a little bit more emphasis on "my character" than really needed, but that is just how I like to play RPGs.

Atras wrote:

Now I am torn, do I jump right into Awakenings (and will my companion at the end of Origins come with me?), or try some other paths through the main game to see what could have been different. I never followed much of Morrigan's story, and didn't have much to do with Sten or even meet Shale.

Your romantic interest won't follow you into Awakenings. It's implied she's off doing other things at the time.

I'm really sorry you missed out on the hilarity that is the conversation between the Warden and Shale. Oh man.

Yeah, Shale is awesome. And a great tank. Morrigan was also interesting, my ManHoDwarf bagged her, then switched to Leliana.

With the downtime of the EA servers, I lost interest in my game. Need to pick it back up again soon. Especially before The Witcher 2 comes out, though I'm scared of burning myself out on fantasy-style games.

MrDeVil909 wrote:

Yeah, Shale is awesome. And a great tank. Morrigan was also interesting, my ManHoDwarf bagged her, then switched to Leliana.

I had Shale and Morrigan in my party, and had bagged Morrigan, and made a commitment to her.

Shale's relationship advice to Morrigan was priceless...

Morrigan's romantic interest in Sten.......and his subsequent responses weren't too shabby either.

Morrigan simply rules.

Anyone know of an option to add Bioware-created items in a savegame? So far I've only found (complicated) ways of creating custom items, but not how to add items that are already in the game but not in your possession.

Why do I need this? Due to a bug that caused my main character to lose all its equipment.

Spoiler:

After rescueing the Queen of Ferelden and being captured in Fort Drakon, I never got my equipment back in the prison chest. The other party members and the non-equipped items are still there

Apparently this is a known bug, the solution being to unequip everything before the above happens. Thanks DA Wiki, I'll be sure to read everything before playing it. I'll just navigate around the spoilers. /sarcasm

With the ability to 'hack in' existing items in an existing savegame, I could just load a savegame where I had all the items, write down their names/descriptions and put them into my after-bug-savegame.

It's that, or replay the entire section on easy.

dejanzie wrote:

or replay the entire section on easy.

My suggestion? Go with the "Easy" mode, that's what I did when I decided to replay the Human Noble origin. Although after the game started to CTD after I tried to enter any area, I gave up. I should probably think about playing this game again..

I've been playing through this recently and the game is just broken for me. I'm going to spoiler the following, despite the lengthy time since release:

Spoiler:

I've gone to the mage tower to recruit some dudes to help a little boy whose mother i don't want to kill.... and now i'm stuck in the fade. Bioware have taken my team away from me.. i'm an archer rogue (supposedly i'm a bard, as that was what i picked at start up but the option to have that is "locked" with no explanation as how to unlock it). I'm boned. Seriously, i've been fine up until i've hit the mage section where i'm fighting guys that do more DPS and attack more times per second than me. I can take out one guy fairly easily - as long as i get to stun him and beat on him three or four times.

The problem i'm having is that mages/magic never misses and i can sit there with my special attacks missing or not activating and my normal attacks missing two or three times in a row. It's really frustrating. Not to mention that combat around corners/doorways and hit detection is seriously f*cked up here. I've got mages shooting me through the wall (sometimes with AoE) and my abilities don't even work properly around the doorway and corner areas which makes trying to lure off mages one-at-a-time very difficult even when i manage to do it.

Aside from this bone-headed design decision on Bioware's part, the game has been okay so far. Certainly it's not DA2.... I don't even think they should be "related" as sequels prequels like they are in their name. It makes no sense. I've had far more roleplaying in DA:O in the 12 hours or so i've put in than the whole 40+ of DA2. I feel more free to make my choices and be punished for them (or rewarded) in this game.

Lower the difficulty. The fade is quite annoying to play through. Have you tried changing form?

Lower the difficulty. The fade is quite annoying to play through. Have you tried changing form?

Duoae wrote:

I've been playing through this recently and the game is just broken for me. I'm going to spoiler the following, despite the lengthy time since release:

Spoiler:

I've gone to the mage tower to recruit some dudes to help a little boy whose mother i don't want to kill.... and now i'm stuck in the fade. Bioware have taken my team away from me.. i'm an archer rogue (supposedly i'm a bard, as that was what i picked at start up but the option to have that is "locked" with no explanation as how to unlock it). I'm boned. Seriously, i've been fine up until i've hit the mage section where i'm fighting guys that do more DPS and attack more times per second than me. I can take out one guy fairly easily - as long as i get to stun him and beat on him three or four times.

The problem i'm having is that mages/magic never misses and i can sit there with my special attacks missing or not activating and my normal attacks missing two or three times in a row. It's really frustrating. Not to mention that combat around corners/doorways and hit detection is seriously f*cked up here. I've got mages shooting me through the wall (sometimes with AoE) and my abilities don't even work properly around the doorway and corner areas which makes trying to lure off mages one-at-a-time very difficult even when i manage to do it.

Aside from this bone-headed design decision on Bioware's part, the game has been okay so far. Certainly it's not DA2.... I don't even think they should be "related" as sequels prequels like they are in their name. It makes no sense. I've had far more roleplaying in DA:O in the 12 hours or so i've put in than the whole 40+ of DA2. I feel more free to make my choices and be punished for them (or rewarded) in this game.

Had you not already done the Mages Tower recruiting mission? The Fade section is a puzzle game, you need to figure out how to use the forms appropriately. It was one of my favourite sections of the game, even though doing it as a dwarf is tough because you can't use the lyrium veins to heal.

Duoae wrote:

Aside from this bone-headed design decision on Bioware's part, the game has been okay so far. Certainly it's not DA2.... I don't even think they should be "related" as sequels prequels like they are in their name. It makes no sense. I've had far more roleplaying in DA:O in the 12 hours or so i've put in than the whole 40+ of DA2. I feel more free to make my choices and be punished for them (or rewarded) in this game.

Must resist, I don't have my flame proof pants on today.

Nietzsche wrote:

Lower the difficulty. The fade is quite annoying to play through. Have you tried changing form?

I hadn't considered lowering the difficulty - can you raise it again afterwards?

I had changed form. The problem was that i only had a mouse form and a fire form... and the wizards cast spells that removed half my health in one go, knocked me over and/or stunned me so i moved more slowly.

I managed to get through the section i was stuck on in the end this morning. I basically lured them one by one, painfully reloading/saving the game each time i died/succeeded. Then i got the golem form and it was much easier....

MrDeVil909 wrote:

Had you not already done the Mages Tower recruiting mission? The Fade section is a puzzle game, you need to figure out how to use the forms appropriately. It was one of my favourite sections of the game, even though doing it as a dwarf is tough because you can't use the lyrium veins to heal.

I'm confused.... They're the same thing.

Also, there's nothing "puzzling" about this except my transformed forms' complete inability to hit the proverbial "sh*t" when i tell them to. Nothing more frustrating than an acolyte mage "dodging" your stone golem's attack.... They have really high dexterity i hear!

Duoae wrote:

I hadn't considered lowering the difficulty - can you raise it again afterwards?

I'm 95% sure you can.

Duoae wrote:

The problem was that i only had a mouse form and a fire form... and the wizards cast spells that removed half my health in one go, knocked me over and/or stunned me so i moved more slowly.

Odd. They aren't using fire spells? I remember them using a lot of fire, so the fire man was a great choice. What's your level, if you don't mind my asking?

Duoae wrote:

I'm confused.... They're the same thing.

Also, there's nothing "puzzling" about this except my transformed forms' complete inability to hit the proverbial "sh*t" when i tell them to. Nothing more frustrating than an acolyte mage "dodging" your stone golem's attack.... They have really high dexterity i hear!

Yeah, the usual convention though is to do the Mages Tower early because of the stat boosts so the Tower is back in order if you go there later for the purpose that originally took you there.

As the Martian law enforcer says, if they are using fire spells you should be resistant to them in fire form. The puzzle is figuring out which of the tools they have given you are appropriate.

And yes, you can adjust difficulty as you like.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
Duoae wrote:

I hadn't considered lowering the difficulty - can you raise it again afterwards?

I'm 95% sure you can.

I was back-and-forth on Easy/Medium during my entire playthrough on the 360 -- difficulty control is absolutely on the fly, even within fights.

I just beat Dragon Age: Origins (Ultimate Edition) today. Not sure exactly how long it took me, I'll check after work. My main character was a dual-wielding warrior and my primary companions were Allistair, Leliana, and Morrigan.

Definitely a Baldur's Gate kind of game.

I did the deed with Morrigan. A bunch.

I don't think I got quite the best endings in my game. The dwarves didn't fare well and it sounds like the alienage could have gotten out better.

I made the mistake of bringing in the Circle during one of the final battle maps. Those jerks threw fireballs and cones of cold all over the battlefield, including the middle of my guys. I don't feel bad that only 4 survived.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

I don't think I got quite the best endings in my game. The dwarves didn't fare well and it sounds like the alienage could have gotten out better.

I'm not sure if there is a particularly Best Ending for the dwarves, though I've never completed a playthrough where I let Behlen take the crown--he was too obviously evil for my good Wardens to be comfortable with, and my bad Warden was a prideful dwarf noble, so no way was he letting that happen, and I lost the save where I had a Warden who sided with him. I've never seen a very good Harrowmont ending, though--he's either weakened by civil war, or a totalitarian.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:

I don't think I got quite the best endings in my game. The dwarves didn't fare well and it sounds like the alienage could have gotten out better.

I'm not sure if there is a particularly Best Ending for the dwarves, though I've never completed a playthrough where I let Behlen take the crown--he was too obviously evil for my good Wardens to be comfortable with, and my bad Warden was a prideful dwarf noble, so no way was he letting that happen, and I lost the save where I had a Warden who sided with him. I've never seen a very good Harrowmont ending, though--he's either weakened by civil war, or a totalitarian.

I sided with Bhelen in one playthrough - he had his sh*t together for a couple of years before his paranoia grew worse. Then the dwarfs went and reactivated the golem-making anvil and everything went to sh*t.

One thing I forgot to do was go back and kill the high dragon that hung around the ashes.

Oh, I had the same issue some of you guys did: I imported my Blood Dragon Armor-wearing character into a DLC and was treated to a cut-scene of my buff male warden traipsing around in a skimpy loin cloth.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Oh, I had the same issue some of you guys did: I imported my Blood Dragon Armor-wearing character into a DLC and was treated to a cut-scene of my buff male warden traipsing around in a skimpy loin cloth.

It's important, as Warden Commander, to let your boys breathe.

Having moved steam off of my C drive, I recently reinstalled this, since I never got much past finding Morrigan. It's good early on.