Rock Band: Pink Floyd

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No More Single Band Crap! Release track packs, like AC/DC, or DLC, like Pearl Jam, but no more of this Beatles, Aerosmith, Metallica junk. The single best feature of Rock Band is that it is a platform, not a "pimp my band" simulator (not counting The Beatles, obviously). People, please don't buy non-importable discs!

I'd love Pink Floyd and U2. Especially Pink Floyd though and shame on you for getting me overly excited about nothing!

I'd absolutely love to do The Wall all the way through along with earlier stuff like the Bicycle song and See Emily Play.

I'd love me some RB: The Time.

Jonman wrote:

Also, those people that play Modern Warfare are losers too, they should go out and buy a real gun. Not only do you get the satisfaction of shooting people in the face, but chicks actually dig mass murderers. :razz:

Problem is, there's no respawning, and cops always interrupt the teabagging.

Also, I can't find a gaudy gold-plated P90 anywhere.

caustic77 wrote:

Wouldn't it just be better that this entire genre just die already? I think so. Sure, it's nice that people are getting exposed to some great music, but just learn to play guitar. Not only do you get the satisfaction of playing a song, but chicks actually dig guitar players. DDR for the fingers is not a musical experience.

What about those of us who can play guitar? May we have permition to have fun?

Captain_Arrrg wrote:
caustic77 wrote:

Wouldn't it just be better that this entire genre just die already? I think so. Sure, it's nice that people are getting exposed to some great music, but just learn to play guitar. Not only do you get the satisfaction of playing a song, but chicks actually dig guitar players. DDR for the fingers is not a musical experience.

What about those of us who can play guitar? May we have permition to have fun?

No. STOP HAVING FUN, YOU GUYS!

Bonus_Eruptus wrote:
Captain_Arrrg wrote:
caustic77 wrote:

Wouldn't it just be better that this entire genre just die already? I think so. Sure, it's nice that people are getting exposed to some great music, but just learn to play guitar. Not only do you get the satisfaction of playing a song, but chicks actually dig guitar players. DDR for the fingers is not a musical experience.

What about those of us who can play guitar? May we have permition to have fun?

No. STOP HAVING FUN, YOU GUYS!

Seriously! What is it with people playing games for fun these days?

caustic77 wrote:

Wouldn't it just be better that this entire genre just die already? I think so. Sure, it's nice that people are getting exposed to some great music, but just learn to play guitar. Not only do you get the satisfaction of playing a song, but chicks actually dig guitar players. DDR for the fingers is not a musical experience.

No. I really hate it when people post sh*t like this.

Rallick wrote:
Bonus_Eruptus wrote:
Captain_Arrrg wrote:
caustic77 wrote:

Wouldn't it just be better that this entire genre just die already? I think so. Sure, it's nice that people are getting exposed to some great music, but just learn to play guitar. Not only do you get the satisfaction of playing a song, but chicks actually dig guitar players. DDR for the fingers is not a musical experience.

What about those of us who can play guitar? May we have permition to have fun?

No. STOP HAVING FUN, YOU GUYS!

Seriously! What is it with people playing games for fun these days?

When I was young(er), we played games about fractions, geography and how to get to Oregon without dieing a horrible poop-death. Now it's all about plastic instruments and headshots.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
caustic77 wrote:

Wouldn't it just be better that this entire genre just die already? I think so. Sure, it's nice that people are getting exposed to some great music, but just learn to play guitar. Not only do you get the satisfaction of playing a song, but chicks actually dig guitar players. DDR for the fingers is not a musical experience.

No. I really hate it when people post sh*t like this.

I sort of do too, although part of me can see the point.

For most of us, we're never going to be good at playing an instrument... at least not good enough to be in a band and perform in front of throngs of screaming fans. Just as none of us will be able to play professional sports or carjack prostitutes, music games are there to offer us a chance to do something we will never be able (or SHOULDN'T be able) to do in real life.

However, it IS kind of sad to see kids spend hundreds if not thousands of hours on practicing these sorts of games when they probably COULD use those skills to be able to play a real instrument or what have you (I used to see kids in some of my classes studying DDR step charts, which always struck me as kind of sad for some reason). If I was a parent, I'd probably want to steer my kids into more "fruitful" areas of endeavor.

Still, it IS just another form of entertainment/escapism, so maybe I should just lighten up.

I posted this in the Rock Band Catch-all, but maybe better here:

Location: PNWSaturday, October 10th, 2009 - 8:39am As noted in newest MOJO on-line, 'Queen Rock Band' is on it's way:

http://www.mojo4music.com/blog/2009/...

Not nearly as cool as Pink Floyd or Rush. FAR better than U2.

Captain_Arrrg wrote:

Not nearly as cool as Pink Floyd or Rush. FAR better than U2.

Meh. Definitely not going to be buying that.

SommerMatt wrote:

However, it IS kind of sad to see kids spend hundreds if not thousands of hours on practicing these sorts of games when they probably COULD use those skills to be able to play a real instrument or what have you (I used to see kids in some of my classes studying DDR step charts, which always struck me as kind of sad for some reason). If I was a parent, I'd probably want to steer my kids into more "fruitful" areas of endeavor.

You could say the same of any game any of us play. And people do say it, all the time.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
SommerMatt wrote:

However, it IS kind of sad to see kids spend hundreds if not thousands of hours on practicing these sorts of games when they probably COULD use those skills to be able to play a real instrument or what have you (I used to see kids in some of my classes studying DDR step charts, which always struck me as kind of sad for some reason). If I was a parent, I'd probably want to steer my kids into more "fruitful" areas of endeavor.

You could say the same of any game any of us play. And people do say it, all the time.

I've rarely seen obsessive game play in most of the people I know, and most of the people here don't seem to fit into that category either-- Playing 1-2 hours a day doesn't strike me as something that is any different from watching TV or surfing the web.

Spending 3-4+ HOURS a day practicing any game, be it GH, RB, or an FPS, does strike me as excessive. As an adult, you're free to do whatever you wish with your time, but as I said, if I had children, I'd definitely want them to be doing other things that obsessing over being able to "expert" the most difficult songs in Rock Band. That doesn't mean I'd force them into playing a real instrument, but I'd hope they'd be more wll rounded in their activities.

I don't want this to get taken too hyperbolically, either-- I agree with the fact that these kinds of statements ("play a real instrument, you hippie!") are borderline obnoxious, but I still do sort of see a point there when it comes to younger gamers.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
caustic77 wrote:

Wouldn't it just be better that this entire genre just die already? I think so. Sure, it's nice that people are getting exposed to some great music, but just learn to play guitar. Not only do you get the satisfaction of playing a song, but chicks actually dig guitar players. DDR for the fingers is not a musical experience.

No. I really hate it when people post sh*t like this.

I'm with you, Qunitin. Once they take away Rock Band, they will come for my sports games next. Eventually they will work their way down to Rabbit's board games (long after they take his iPhone away).

As long as they don't spend any money on avatar costumes. That sh*t doesn't fly around here!

SommerMatt wrote:

I don't want this to get taken too hyperbolically, either-- I agree with the fact that these kinds of statements ("play a real instrument, you hippie!") are borderline obnoxious, but I still do sort of see a point there when it comes to younger gamers.

Nope. They are games, and adults whine about what games kids decide to play is just dumb.

Any activity that interferes with the things we need to get done each day is an issue. It can be golf, playing basketball, shooting guns, videogames and even reading books. But what the activity actually is, is not the point. If a kid spends all day playing guitar, but is failing out of school becasue he is not doing his homework, the issue isn't playing guitar.

Of course, MMO's are different. That is what needs to be banned.

SommerMatt wrote:

I've rarely seen obsessive game play in most of the people I know, and most of the people here don't seem to fit into that category either-- Playing 1-2 hours a day doesn't strike me as something that is any different from watching TV or surfing the web.

Spending 3-4+ HOURS a day practicing any game, be it GH, RB, or an FPS, does strike me as excessive. As an adult, you're free to do whatever you wish with your time, but as I said, if I had children, I'd definitely want them to be doing other things that obsessing over being able to "expert" the most difficult songs in Rock Band. That doesn't mean I'd force them into playing a real instrument, but I'd hope they'd be more wll rounded in their activities.

Here's why I think "Practice a REAL instrument, morans!" is a stupid argument - If you practice guitar 1 or 2 hours a day, that's nothing. It's not even close enough to make you an amateur. You might play in your house and not piss off your neighbors, at most.

There's some conclusive research that you need about 10,000 hours of practice in a field to be considered a great professional(although in music that's varied, due to popular tastes in genres you don't need nearly as much to play pop punk for instance). Jimmy Bruno, a jazz master who sometimes answers my emails, says that 10 thousand hours of practice sounds about right to get to a "good" level in jazz. That's not just playing jazz, that's focused practice.

So just by basic math, let's say you want to learn guitar and play like Stevie Ray (Who at his peak, arguably right before he died, had already been playing nonstop for about 20 years). Practicing 1 hour a day means 365 hours a year > 28 years of daily hour practice to reach this level of mastery.

Of course you can go hardcore and say "Yeah I'll practice 8 hours a day and reach that goal in 3 or 4 years!". Yeah, good luck, unless you're rich, have dedicated teachers and have a lot of physical and mental endurance. Forget about any monetary rewards, by the way. And say goodbye to a decent portion of your social life.

I personally have tried it and after 4 hours of practice I want to kill myself. It's hard, really hard to stay focused and make productive practice. 2 hours of focused practice a day is about fine for me, I don't go crazy but I make some progress, but I only imagine I'll be playing decent jazz in about 15 years...

There were some comparisons in that study, that they estimated the average hours for various levels of proficiency: Teachers had about 1 to 3 thousands of hours invested, Amateurs about 4, Pros were from 5 to 10, and they obviously still practiced frequently.

Also, practicing music is not fun, like Rock Band. Playing music is fun. Practice is f*cking boring, trodding running up and down scales and learning progressions and crap. And you know what? Even if you invest all those hours into practice, you have no guarantees that you are actually musically creative and interesting enough. You might end up like Michael Angelo Batio, a real technically gifted musician, but not much to write home about in the musical department.

Rock Band is fun, and doesn't require anything close to the hundreds (high hundreds) of hours and equipment necessary to NOT SOUND LIKE CRAP. Forget about sounding anywhere close to what you play on the game.

So yeah, don't say that argument, because it's silly to make the comparison. The best thing about rock band is that it actually might inspire some kids who hadn't considered it before, to get a real instrument.

Rallick wrote:
Bonus_Eruptus wrote:
Captain_Arrrg wrote:
caustic77 wrote:

Wouldn't it just be better that this entire genre just die already? I think so. Sure, it's nice that people are getting exposed to some great music, but just learn to play guitar. Not only do you get the satisfaction of playing a song, but chicks actually dig guitar players. DDR for the fingers is not a musical experience.

What about those of us who can play guitar? May we have permition to have fun?

No. STOP HAVING FUN, YOU GUYS!

Seriously! What is it with people playing games for fun these days?

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Mex wrote:

Of course you can go hardcore and say "Yeah I'll practice 8 hours a day and reach that goal in 3 or 4 years!". Yeah, good luck, unless you're rich, have dedicated teachers and have a lot of physical and mental endurance. Forget about any monetary rewards, by the way. And say goodbye to a decent portion of your social life.

I personally have tried it and after 4 hours of practice I want to kill myself. It's hard, really hard to stay focused and make productive practice. 2 hours of focused practice a day is about fine for me, I don't go crazy but I make some progress, but I only imagine I'll be playing decent jazz in about 15 years...

You hit on something there, those who are serious about music will practice a minimum of two hours a day. Here is a typical Tuesday/Thursday for me:

Wake up and practice before Japanese- 1 hour
Come home and practice before Jazz ensemble- 30 min
Jazz ensemble- 1 hour 15-30 min
come home and go over what we did in Jazz ensemble- 1 hour

Total- 3 hours and 45-60 minutes.

Mondays are slightly less at 3 hours, Wednesdays and Fridays are about 2 hours. The weekend vary with me not playing at all some days--I think it's vital to not getting stuck in a rut-- and doing nothing but practicing. Lets just say I shoot for 20 hours a week practicing.

The funny part (to me at least) is my practice schedule is fairy light when compared to other music majors, but I just chalk that up as "different strokes."

And you're talking about jazz mastery, something very few have achieved. You may want to shoot for amateur and pro first.

Sorry to derail the joke thread.

Hey there fellow jazz guy!

I think you've got a great schedule going, and you've got a great advantage by playing with other musicians. The jazz guys around me are still way too advanced for me to join them without them being bored...

Captain_Arrrg wrote:

And you're talking about jazz mastery, something very few have achieved. You may want to shoot for amateur and pro first.

Well, there's a saying about shooting for the moon and something like that... It can't hurt =)

edit: Erm, back to Rock Band, yeah

Captain_Arrrg wrote:

how to get to Oregon without dieing a horrible poop-death

Impossible. In fact, Oregon is just a myth people shared on the toilet.

Mex wrote:

Practicing 1 hour a day means 365 hours a year > 28 years of daily hour practice to reach this level of mastery.

To be fair, though, very few rock bands show any sort of "mastery" of their instruments.

Popular rock music does not value virtuosity. (And I don't mean the G3 "shredders" when I say virtuosity.)

I agree with the idea of no more single band games. Especially with the Rock Band name on it. The Beatles are deserving of the honor. The only other band in history that deserves the same treatment is Tenacious D, but I'd much rather spend a few bucks on D DLC on Rock Band 2. Especially since Brutal Legend is essentially a Tenacious D game.

As for people who hate music games, I don't understand their argument that the games are worthless and instead one should pursue years and years of practice and dedication on a real guitar just so they can play some of the songs they like. I don't like the Tekken series, but I don't go up to people and tell them that it's really lame how they play Tekken instead of training diligently to learn real martial arts and then entering actual tournaments. Or Trauma Center players (although I actually like Trauma Center a lot), demanding they put down the stylus or Wii remote and spend 8 years of their life and tens of thousands of dollars in medical school so they can perform actual surgeries. I don't go to Call of Duty players and suggest they stop playing their silly game and instead enlist in the real military, where they may get to fire real weapons at real people who are also firing real weapons back at them.

But I often do suggest that people playing Super Mario Bros. should go outside and eat all the mushrooms they find, bash their heads on bricks and hurl fire at everything around them.

I once read an article somewhere that said that guitar sales had gone up in the last few years, most likely due to the popularity of music games. Both of my nephews picked up guitars after playing Guitar Hero 2 and Rock Band. One of them has realized that, while fun to play around with every once in a while, he is not terribly interested in mastering the guitar. The other one is well on his way to being damn good at guitar, though. Hell, I even picked up a guitar after playing the first Guitar Hero. As much as I loved practicing despite the tediousness, I realized that I just don't have enough time and energy to really get good at it. Like my nephew, it's a once in a while thing. Which means I completely suck. But I can play the Tetris theme like a motherf*cker!

Funny thing is, my dad plays guitar all the time. I grew up with guitars all around me, but for whatever reason just never picked one up and took it seriously until after Guitar Hero came out. I actually regret not picking it up when I was young and had the time to learn, as I would love to be able to play. Oh well, at least I can beat Green Grass and High Tides on Expert.

I'm listening to a string quartet playing The Darkness songs. I just thought I should throw that out there.

Tanglebones wrote:

Hmm, given my druthers, I'd go for a The Who: Rock Band, or a Rolling Stones: Rock Band over Floyd. But my real dream is for them to integrate a keyboard/keytar peripheral so there can be a grand New Wave/Post Punk: Rock Band game! Step into the shoes of Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Flock of Seagulls, the Cure, New Order.. I'd be fine without the licensed avatars, as long as the character generation system is robust enough to imitate them.

wow... just.... wow

Radical Ans wrote:

I'd buy it, but only if they let you play "Set the Controls For the Heart of the Sun" at Pompeii.

Yes!

Captain_Arrrg wrote:

I would love it, but they would have to put out some sort of keyboard. That would actually make a lot of new possibilities for RB.

Yeah I was thinking that too.

Captain_Arrrg wrote:

When I was young(er), we played games about fractions, geography and how to get to Oregon without dieing a horrible poop-death. Now it's all about plastic instruments and headshots.

:old:

I agree that Amoebic Dyssentery is featured in far too few games.

Imbarkus wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

Hmm, given my druthers, I'd go for a The Who: Rock Band, or a Rolling Stones: Rock Band over Floyd. But my real dream is for them to integrate a keyboard/keytar peripheral so there can be a grand New Wave/Post Punk: Rock Band game! Step into the shoes of Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Flock of Seagulls, the Cure, New Order.. I'd be fine without the licensed avatars, as long as the character generation system is robust enough to imitate them.

wow... just.... wow

If you're gonna dream, dream big.. with big hair.. and shoulderpads

And sleeves rolled up on your sports jacket?