Maybe it's time for a Goodjer relocation program.
Heh, thanks guys but I wouldn't leave my harem, we live and die here =)
What he really said.
Mexico is a failed state.
Seriously Mex, keep your head down. If the girl mentions her boyfriend has a gun and is unbalanced, STAY AWAY.
In relating it to the US's past, it seems like parts of Mexico have gone back to the Wild West days where gangs are free to take over towns and murder people in the streets. I kind of wonder if any public policy can change that. Military involvement or not. Maybe it will take a complete social change in the attitudes and perceptions of the population at large. As it stands, if things "stabilize" Mexico wouldn't be that different from other central/south American countries or even parts of Russia. I definitely don't think we're at the "failed state" level yet but it's got the potential.
DSGamer wrote:Mexico is a failed state.
I don't think it's reached that point yet, but for sure, some parts of Mexico are practically lost and 100% controlled by criminals. But not all is lost yet. There's supposedly a transcript of the President saying in a private meeting "So-and-so state we've lost, and this one too, let's be clear about that..."
You've got to clean up the wasteland, Mex. Find your nearest scrapyard and look for Dogmeat.
From the accounts i've read Mex, it's not like the worst parts are Fallujah circa 2004, but that it's a lot like Miami in the "Miami Vice" years, without Crockett and Tubbs to clear things up.
Calderon is much more of a hardliner on the issue than Fox was (I believe) but he's fighting and obviously uphill battle the whole way, since the Police are largely useless in the fight (for various reasons).
Lord knows what it'd take to stabilize the situation, but i'm guessing it's something along the lines of utterly crushing the cartels, which might be near-impossible.
Sounds like a war zone in Juarez right now. Crazy stuff.
but it's definitely not like a war zone, it's more like the stuff you see in mafia movies. Executions, guys turning up dead right outside their house, people disappear, extortion... etc. In some parts there are definitely gunfights between police and criminals, but outright violence is not a daily thing. Sometimes someone throws a grenade at the municipal presidency, as a warning. Bodies are found all the time with their heads cut off.
Sounds very similar to Iraq when I was there. The only thing you're missing is IED's.
but it's definitely not like a war zone, it's more like the stuff you see in mafia movies. Executions, guys turning up dead right outside their house, people disappear, extortion... etc. In some parts there are definitely gunfights between police and criminals, but outright violence is not a daily thing. Sometimes someone throws a grenade at the municipal presidency, as a warning. Bodies are found all the time with their heads cut off.Sounds very similar to Iraq when I was there. The only thing you're missing is IED's.
Don't give them any ideas.
but it's definitely not like a war zone, it's more like the stuff you see in mafia movies. Executions, guys turning up dead right outside their house, people disappear, extortion... etc. In some parts there are definitely gunfights between police and criminals, but outright violence is not a daily thing. Sometimes someone throws a grenade at the municipal presidency, as a warning. Bodies are found all the time with their heads cut off.Sounds very similar to Iraq when I was there. The only thing you're missing is IED's.
Yeah I was about to say... that sure sounds a lot like parts of Iraq. When you mention someone sometimes throwing a grenade in passing you know things can't be good. Good luck and keep safe.
Juarez is f'd up. I been to El Paso and it is weird to look at it from the US side, there are hardly anyone on the streets in the day and the whole thing is pitch black at night. Kinda made me think I was living in some sort of gold plated Ziggurat and the peasants where huddled around it. But I was drinking alone that night because everyone who lives in El Paso is freaking BORING.
The more money we put into the War on Drugs, the more it's worth to smuggle them, and the stronger the criminals get. They're taking over Mexico while we watch.
When are we going to figure out that it's not working?
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Remove the illegal drug trade and I would think you would neuter alot of the gangs.
The biggest problem is that these organized crime cartels are becoming huge and they aren't exclusively dependent on drugs anymore (even if it's still the majority of their income), they've "branched out". Time is running out to act, even if it were legalized today, they have enough money to survive for decades or who knows how long.
Historically, they tend to become the government more often than not.
I completely agree that legalizing things wouldn't stop them cold but it would sure put a hurting on them long enough for the government to get their heads together and maybe change things. As it stands, I'm not so sure we (the U.S.) can sit by and not do anything for much longer. I'm not certain what the watershed moment will be but having chaos and anarchy on our doorsteps is not in our best interests. I feel for you Mex ...
Didn't the US recently declar Mexico and Pakistan as the two countries they're most concerned about in terms of government stability, etc. And, wasn't there supposedly talks about a worse case scenario where the US would consider sending in ground troops to stabilize the country?
We can't even win our own War on Drugs, how can we fight someone else's?
We can't even win our own War on Drugs, how can we fight someone else's?
We're a little less reticent about declaring martial law in other people's countries than our own.
LeapingGnome wrote:We can't even win our own War on Drugs, how can we fight someone else's?
We're a little less reticent about declaring martial law in other people's countries than our own.
And that has worked out so well for us.
clover wrote:LeapingGnome wrote:We can't even win our own War on Drugs, how can we fight someone else's?
We're a little less reticent about declaring martial law in other people's countries than our own.
And that has worked out so well for us. :)
Freedom ain't free, baby.
If what we've been doing over the last eight years had anything whatsoever to do with our freedom, I might be inclined to agree with you.
Lockdown, we call it. What is this, an urban invasion?
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