NCAA College Football 2009 *Catch All*

Evo wrote:

From a "whoops, wrong forum" post I just created. I need to get this off my chest:

Who's responsible for Lou Holtz's broadcasting career? They should probably be fired. A great coach building an embarrassing legacy on ESPN as a Madden-esque analyst, but without Madden's charm and good looks. His rambling, slurred insights are incoherent, if you can even understand what he's saying.

Sorry about the rant, but I love college football. After watching a whole day of it with Lou Holtz sprinkled throughout, I'm about ready to climb up to the top of touchdown Jesus and jump off.

Well, he is/was considering a run for Congress so it could be worse for the nation but better for Saturday TV viewing.

MY 2010 Prediction: Videogame AI will make real sportscasters obsolete.

Matt Groethe, USF QB out for the season with ACL injury before they travel to FSU next weekend. Unknown red shirt freshman will start. Season over.

Evo wrote:

From a "whoops, wrong forum" post I just created. I need to get this off my chest:

Who's responsible for Lou Holtz's broadcasting career? They should probably be fired. A great coach building an embarrassing legacy on ESPN as a Madden-esque analyst, but without Madden's charm and good looks. His rambling, slurred insights are incoherent, if you can even understand what he's saying.

Sorry about the rant, but I love college football. After watching a whole day of it with Lou Holtz sprinkled throughout, I'm about ready to climb up to the top of touchdown Jesus and jump off.

Yep. I feel the same.

Every time I catch an ESPN halftime show, my reaction is the same: What is this leprechaun doing on my TV?!

The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat, and ESPN mocking a Clemson fan.

karmajay wrote:

Hooray for FSU and USF. Was hoping for a Texas loss though...

So, after watching FSU dominate the #7 Cougars, what is the question we should be asking.

1. Is OU that bad?
2. Is Miami that good, that the team they beat can vastly outclass #7?
3. What in the H#!!?

EDIT:

Sorry, had to make one addition. Lou Holtz drives me as nuts as the next guy, so please don't take this as me arguing with the sentiment, but.....

Evo wrote:

Who's responsible for Lou Holtz's broadcasting career? They should probably be fired. A great coach building an embarrassing legacy on ESPN as a Madden-esque analyst, but without Madden's charm and good looks. His rambling, slurred insights are incoherent, if you can even understand what he's saying.

Sorry about the rant, but I love college football. After watching a whole day of it with Lou Holtz sprinkled throughout, I'm about ready to climb up to the top of touchdown Jesus and jump off.

Seriously? Madden's charm and good looks? John Madden looks like a hooker put out for a pumpkin and his broadcasting analysis consistently pandered to the lowest common denominator. I will give him his proper credit for his coaching record because the man new how to motivate and how to win, but wow. Charm and good looks?

LMAO, that's a good one.

2. Is Miami that good, that the team they beat can vastly outclass #7?

Miami HAS looked good so far, but FSU and Miami went back and forth and if the rcvr does not drop the last play TD pass or FSU has any timeouts at the goalline, Miami loses.

So to answer your question, who knows? This is why the initial ranks should not even come out until week 5 or so.

karmajay wrote:
2. Is Miami that good, that the team they beat can vastly outclass #7?

Miami HAS looked good so far, but FSU and Miami went back and forth and if the rcvr does not drop the last play TD pass or FSU has any timeouts at the goalline, Miami loses.

So to answer your question, who knows? This is why the initial ranks should not even come out until week 5 or so.

Its like fate, OU plays Miami. That game is going to be great. Go stache!

Rat Boy wrote:

The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat, and ESPN mocking a Clemson fan.

That is too funny!

gizmo wrote:

sly? Madden's charm and good looks? John Madden looks like a hooker put out for a pumpkin and his broadcasting analysis consistently pandered to the lowest common denominator. I will give him his proper credit for his coaching record because the man new how to motivate and how to win, but wow. Charm and good looks?

LMAO, that's a good one.

Should have used a /sarcasm tag there.

Seriously, Lou Holtz reminds me of one of the California Rasins after a coke bender. Look, Madden couldn't put together a cohesive sentence to save his life, but at least he had a good broadcasting voice and loved to talk about eating turducken and great stuff like that. I'd rather have a overweight troll give me the color commentary then have to hear ol' prune juice sufferin'-succotash his way through studio analysis.

boogle wrote:
karmajay wrote:
2. Is Miami that good, that the team they beat can vastly outclass #7?

Miami HAS looked good so far, but FSU and Miami went back and forth and if the rcvr does not drop the last play TD pass or FSU has any timeouts at the goalline, Miami loses.

So to answer your question, who knows? This is why the initial ranks should not even come out until week 5 or so.

Its like fate, OU plays Miami. That game is going to be great. Go stache!

As an FSU fan who lives in Kansas I am really conflicted about who to root against in that game. So, I have decided that this is what I am going to vote for one of these 2 outcomes (jk).

1. OU wins, and Stoops gets speared on the sideline

2. Miami wins and Jacory Harris is out for the year.

/SARCASM

EDIT:

This really hurts, but with SoS in mind. gO cANES!!!

karmajay wrote:

Matt Groethe, USF QB out for the season with ACL injury before they travel to FSU next weekend. Unknown red shirt freshman will start. Season over.

*weeps*

I hope the guy can get a medical redshirt, but it doesn't look good.

gizmo wrote:

So, after watching FSU dominate the #7 Cougars, what is the question we should be asking.
1. Is OU that bad?
2. Is Miami that good, that the team they beat can vastly outclass #7?
3. What in the H#!!?

1. No. The first game's always rough. Losing Bradford was a huge shock. And Oklahoma's a target because of who they are and where they were ranked. But look at their next two games: Oklahoma has outscored its opponents 109 to nil. They're OK. Still, that might not be enough on the road against Miami next week.

2. Maybe. Jacory Harris has come a long, long way from last year. And the Canes look good on D. As for Florida State, I don't know how to explain it. Christian Ponder is only an average QB for the ACC (which means he's below average for much of the rest of the country.) BYU gave that game away -- a fumble at the end of its first long drive and a fumble on a kick return right before the half, and it's 30-14 at halftime. Florida State was a ridonkulous 12 of 15 on 3rd down. Looks like BYU's D was off that night.

3. What kind of world is it when Miami and Florida State are both good in football? That's a world I didn't think we'd ever see again.

Enix wrote:
gizmo wrote:

So, after watching FSU dominate the #7 Cougars, what is the question we should be asking.
1. Is OU that bad?
2. Is Miami that good, that the team they beat can vastly outclass #7?
3. What in the H#!!?

1. No. The first game's always rough. Losing Bradford was a huge shock. And Oklahoma's a target because of who they are and where they were ranked. But look at their next two games: Oklahoma has outscored its opponents 109 to nil. They're OK. Still, that might not be enough on the road against Miami next week.

2. Maybe. Jacory Harris has come a long, long way from last year. And the Canes look good on D. As for Florida State, I don't know how to explain it. Christian Ponder is only an average QB for the ACC (which means he's below average for much of the rest of the country.) BYU gave that game away -- a fumble at the end of its first long drive and a fumble on a kick return right before the half, and it's 30-14 at halftime. Florida State was a ridonkulous 12 of 15 on 3rd down. Looks like BYU's D was off that night.

3. What kind of world is it when Miami and Florida State are both good in football? That's a world I didn't think we'd ever see again.

I tend to think that Ponder is coming into his own. he is not a traditional drop back passer, but he is very athletic and fits Jimbo Fisher's version of the spread offense pretty well. He has good arm strength and is a good runner. Now he is making good decisions with the ball and the FSU offense looks like it might keep up with the D, well so far anyway.

As for BYU and OU, I really think that the goings on since, really illustrate what a classic upset that was, Bradford or no Bradford. BYU played at their peak on both sides of the ball in week 1, their game against FSU I think was closer to what we should expect out of them week to week.

We shall see I guess

gizmo wrote:

I tend to think that Ponder is coming into his own.

Maybe you're right. Ponder is a Tebow Jr., but without the accuracy, the speed or the power. More like Tebow Lite. But, yeah, he seems to be making better decisions this year.

But the ACC is such a QB wasteland (Tyrod Taylor? Thad Lewis? T.J. Freakin' Yates?!), someone's got to step to the head of the class.

Enix wrote:
gizmo wrote:

I tend to think that Ponder is coming into his own.

Maybe you're right. Ponder is a Tebow Jr., but without the accuracy, the speed or the power. More like Tebow Lite. But, yeah, he seems to be making better decisions this year.

But the ACC is such a QB wasteland (Tyrod Taylor? Thad Lewis? T.J. Freakin' Yates?!), someone's got to step to the head of the class.

As biased as I am, I am going to hold onto my positive reflection on ponder. I actually think he is a better physical passer than Tebow, but just about every QB in the country will fail in a head's up comparison with Tebow overall. I might like Ponder in a footrace too, but noone but maybe McCoy at Texas can touch the leadership that Tebow has, that is for sure. And he is damn near impossible to tackle which helps too.

I can't argue that the ACC has some terrible QB's though.

1. Tyrod should be Va. Tech's #1 receiver, not their QB.
2. Yates was average with stellar receivers last year, now he has terrible ones.
3. Thad Lewis hadn't even made it to my radar yet.

We saw that 2 of the 3 best by far in the conference in the Miami FSU game for sure, with Russell Wilson being the other. After those 3, there is a sharp dropoff to QB's aren't there yet and players who never will. Then again, the ACC is not a top-flight conference in football right now. Miami, FSU, and Va. Tech are decent teams and there are few others with some nice peices and/or program in place, but overall the conference is rebuilding. After all, look at all the teams who have seen significant coaching changes in the last few years. Miami, FSU, NC State, BC, Clemson, Ga. Tech, Duke, and North Carolina. I apologize if I missed any others, but that is a symptom of a conference that recognized it's failings. Miami and FSU have to lead the way back up if this conference is going to make a move and it looks like they might just do it, eventually.

As a life long naive ASU fan..who has seen some great moments..75 Fiesta Bowl comes to mind, I am going to say that ASU will beat Georgia this week. End result will be either ASU 38-32 or Georgia 48-10.

As biased as I am, I am going to hold onto my positive reflection on ponder. I actually think he is a better physical passer than Tebow, but just about every QB in the country will fail in a head's up comparison with Tebow overall. I might like Ponder in a footrace too, but noone but maybe McCoy at Texas can touch the leadership that Tebow has, that is for sure. And he is damn near impossible to tackle which helps too.

I can't argue that the ACC has some terrible QB's though.

1. Tyrod should be Va. Tech's #1 receiver, not their QB.
2. Yates was average with stellar receivers last year, now he has terrible ones.
3. Thad Lewis hadn't even made it to my radar yet.

We saw that 2 of the 3 best by far in the conference in the Miami FSU game for sure, with Russell Wilson being the other. After those 3, there is a sharp dropoff to QB's aren't there yet and players who never will. Then again, the ACC is not a top-flight conference in football right now. Miami, FSU, and Va. Tech are decent teams and there are few others with some nice peices and/or program in place, but overall the conference is rebuilding. After all, look at all the teams who have seen significant coaching changes in the last few years. Miami, FSU, NC State, BC, Clemson, Ga. Tech, Duke, and North Carolina. I apologize if I missed any others, but that is a symptom of a conference that recognized it's failings. Miami and FSU have to lead the way back up if this conference is going to make a move and it looks like they might just do it, eventually.

Glad that you are an ACC fan but I only see Miami as a team that will make some impact. Not knocking the ACC, but that conference has major problems football wise.

Monsoon315 wrote:

As a life long naive ASU fan..who has seen some great moments..75 Fiesta Bowl comes to mind, I am going to say that ASU will beat Georgia this week. End result will be either ASU 38-32 or Georgia 48-10.

As a life long UGA fan, um no. The Dawg D is not as bad as they have played (and Mallet is that good, Bama better be ready) and I don't see anything to indicate that A.J. Green won't catch balls up and down the field against the Devils.

Then again, the ACC is not a top-flight conference in football right now. Miami, FSU, and Va. Tech are decent teams and there are few others with some nice peices and/or program in place, but overall the conference is rebuilding.

As you can see

Not knocking the ACC, but that conference has major problems football wise.

I agree, though I think FSU and Va. Tech will probably be floating around the top 20 come end of the year.

Monsoon315 wrote:

Glad that you are an ACC fan but I only see Miami as a team that will make some impact. Not knocking the ACC, but that conference has major problems football wise.

Everyone down 'round these parts (N.C.) waits for basketball season, so knock away.

As for QBs, Russell Wilson came into the season as the league's top QB. (Coincidentally, he went to my high school.) He wasn't expected to win the job -- Tom O'Brien hearts Matt Ryan, after all -- but he recovered from a devastating concussion in the opener to turn in a night season and get State into a bowl game.

After that, it was Thad Lewis, the senior QB at Duke. And then you had Riley "Principal" Skinner at Wake. GT's Josh Nesbitt was maybe fourth, but not because of any passing stats.

Yeah, bleak. Truth be told, Armani Edwards at App State was the best QB in the state.

By season's end, you'll still be talking about Wilson and Skinner as among the ACC's best. I'd add Jacory Harris to the mix right now. I'm still not sold on Ponder -- I'm not sure he got all the dopey decisions out of his system last year -- but the season's still young.

As for Tyrod Taylor at VT, for the life of me I can't figure out why Beamer can't find himself a QB. VT has a stranglehold on recruiting all over the state, especially the Tidewater/Virginia Beach area that brought you both Vicks (and Tyrod, too). Someone's got to have a QB that wants to go there.

OMG alert: The Ol' Ball Coach is back!

Enix wrote:

As for Tyrod Taylor at VT, for the life of me I can't figure out why Beamer can't find himself a QB. VT has a stranglehold on recruiting all over the state, especially the Tidewater/Virginia Beach area that brought you both Vicks (and Tyrod, too). Someone's got to have a QB that wants to go there.

No freaking kidding. I definitely don't get this. CAN WE PLEASE GET A REAL QB STAT, KTHXBAI~

Isn't Tyrod Taylor supposed to be a scrambler? Why isn't he scambling or doing the option and all the other crap Vick did 10 years ago? Why are they trying to make him into a pocket passer if that isn't his strength?

Ima need some beer for tomorrow's "game", I think.

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Enix wrote:

OMG alert: The Ol' Ball Coach is back!

Just in time to retire after the season.

SC has a good defense right now (though UGA lit em up) and Stephen Garcia is finally resembling the 5 star recruit that he was supposed to be, but the Chickens (or any of the other SEC also-runs) will never have the sustained success that the league's elite teams enjoy because of two words. Recruiting base.

South Carolina and Ol' Miss can have starters like Norwood or McCluster, that are just as good as anybody at Florida or LSU, but they have no where near as many of those types of players, where as the top SEC programs have those types of players on their scout teams (Knowshon Moreno played on UGA's scout team his redshirt year). Ole Miss was ranked #4 because they routed Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl and gave Florida their only loss of the season, but they also lost 4 games last year including games against these same c*cks and Vandy (Wake and Bama being the other two.) In 2007 Mississippi won 3 games. In short, there is no way that the Rebels were or are likely to become a legitimate top 10 team.

I fully expect Spurrier's flock to start their yearly rise in the rankings (they climbed to #6 in 07 after beating Georgia and starting 6-1) and be at 5-1 heading into a road game at Tuscaloosa before crashing back down to earth and out of the rankings due to their lack of overall team depth and their annual back heavy schedule that this year features road games at Tennessee, Arkansas and Bama, as well as home tilts with Florida and Clemson. If they win more than 2 of those games, it would be considered a great year for Carolina, but I don't think Spurrier will keep putting on his Sith Visor for an 8-4 or more likely 7-5 record.

Badferret wrote:

Ole Miss was ranked #4 because they routed Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl and gave Florida their only loss of the season, but they also lost 4 games last year including games against these same c*cks and Vandy (Wake and Bama being the other two.) In 2007 Mississippi won 3 games. In short, there is no way that the Rebels were or are likely to become a legitimate top 10 team.

Indeed. Everyone was waiting to see when Ole Miss would realize that it wasn't really a top 10 team. That OMG moment came about midway through the third quarter. I suspect they'll be lucky to still be in the top 15 when the next poll comes out. And even that's probably too high.

I know everyone likes to talk about Snead as the third Ole Miss Manning, but Spurrier made him look stupid. Now you know why he ran from the QB situation at both Florida and Texas.

Did you notice how USC managed to sack him by rushing only two guys?

Related: Badferret, who are your top 3-4 SEC QBs? After Tebow, that is.

Enix wrote:

Did you notice how USC managed to sack him by rushing only two guys?

Related: Badferret, who are your top 3-4 SEC QBs? After Tebow, that is.

Not sure that it has shaken out yet, I think I could answer that safely in two weeks but..

Right now;

Tebow, though if the Gators can't find playmakers to help him, I would be worried about his health if I were a Florida fan. After 3 weeks he is third in rushing attempts in the SEC.

McElroy probably at # 2 pending the Arkansas game.

Garcia/Mallet/Cox/Todd/Hartline and Snead are all jumbled in my mind right now, they need bigger bodies or work to separate themselves. Cox might end up being higher but he is still hurt by his first week's performance, though in his defense, he was playing with the Flu then.

Everybody else wouldn't really register, as LSU's Jefferson seems to have taken a step backwards from the end of last year, though he is still very young as QBs go.

As for pro prospects, yeeash, the SEC is really down right now.

Of this year's starters I would say only Mallet and Snead and maybe Garcia (in that order) will end up playing on Sundays, not counting Tebow, who I think will have to change positions ala Matt Jones. At least who ever gets Tebow won't have to worry about Timmay becoming a coke head. Actually, now that I think about it, the Jags NEED to get Tebow, to revitalize interest for their team. Could you imagine Tebow playing in Jacksonville as a fullback/split end/wild cat QB? The city would go bonkers.

As for the pass rush getting to Snead, in his defense, Norwood and Matthews are freaks. It also speaks to the strength of UGA's line this year as Cox was relatively unscathed by the Chickens.

Badferret wrote:

Actually, now that I think about it, the Jags NEED to get Tebow, to revitalize interest for their team. Could you imagine Tebow playing in Jacksonville as a fullback/split end/wild cat QB? The city would go bonkers.

Wayne Weaver's already mentioned the possibility of drafting Tebow in public. Created quite a buzz out there in Gatorland.

My Sun Devils will either be killed tomorrow night or manage a win. There is no such thing as a morale loss in the Pac 10 or Scc

karmajay wrote:

Matt Groethe, USF QB out for the season with ACL injury before they travel to FSU next weekend. Unknown red shirt freshman will start. Season over.

No. There is another.

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