WoW: Cataclysm - SPOILERS WITHIN

Enix wrote:
Keldar wrote:

My snark, efficiency, and status as a serious raider will all laugh at the resilience on your gear if you're trying to do heroics.

My raggedly collection of gear is mocked often and in most situations. Even the guards in Thelsamar giggle when I walk by.

So what you are saying is that "Enix gear" is the opposite of "Epic gear"?

Pretty much.

But once Keldar updates my Horde killin' suit, I'll be ... what's a word for better than epic?

Enix wrote:

Pretty much.

But once Keldar updates my Horde killin' suit, I'll be ... what's a word for better than epic?

Enixian.

Seth wrote:
Enix wrote:

Pretty much.

But once Keldar updates my Horde killin' suit, I'll be ... what's a word for better than epic?

Enixian.

That shall be the name of my next Alliance toon. Now all I need is a class and some time to actually play it. Hmm.

Just FYI for everyone that didn't finish Hyjal:

You need to do about 60% of the zone's questlines before you can even begin the dailies.

Guide to gearing up in 4.2:

http://www.wowheadnews.com/blog=190236/new-options-in-firelands-a-guide-to-gear-in-4-2

Pretty comprehensive and droolworthy.

Stupid question time.

When I go into the dungeon finder, I see that I have the option to do, at my tender level of 70, some heroic old-world dungeons. I also see that I have a crapton more runs through Utgarde Keep if I want to get to other dungeons at L71.

I know that Heroic-level dungeons are harder, but is it feasible to do them at L70. or am I stuck grinding Utgarde for a while?

Well, you can try one and see how it works out. If you've done any WotLK quests and gotten and WotLK upgrades, especially from somewhere like Utgarde Keep, your gear will begin to out-level that content a bit. Comparatively, I think getting all of the dungeon quests you can in WotLK and doing dungeon runs there will net you more XP in the long run, even if you just keep doing UK over and over again. Even if you skip the dungeon quests, I still think you'll be better off. Just do quests while queued up, and you should be able to hit 71 faster than you think. 70-80 with random dungeon runs for me, on my Druid, a couple months ago, was ridiculously fast compared to how long it took when WotLK was the main expansion in play.

I would also suggest, if you have decent amounts of gold at your disposal, to start looking for Cataclysm greens from your guild mates, and from the Auction House. You can start wearing Cataclysm greens at level 77, and it makes a big difference in your dungeon runs later on. If you're DPS, in full Cataclysm greens, you will be higher than anyone else on DPS. If you're tanking, you'll have ridiculous stam and avoidance. If you're healing, mana will not be an issue, and your heals will hit for big amounts. Even if you only have three or four pieces (things like rings, necks, and cloaks are generally easier to find on the AH since they don't have an armor class) of Cataclysm greens, you can do pretty well. There's even a Cataclysm blue that is good at 77, though I think it's agility, so it limits its usefulness for you if agility isn't a good stat.

And it should go without saying that you would never replace a BoA item, even with a Cataclysm green, but to me it sounds like this may be your first toon on your way up, so you probably don't have any BoAs yet.

NSMike wrote:

Well, you can try one and see how it works out.

That sounds like a "learning experience." Generally, those end up with my dieing.

If you've done any WotLK quests and gotten and WotLK upgrades, especially from somewhere like Utgarde Keep, your gear will begin to out-level that content a bit.

This is me. How am I geared up for my level?? I don't think that I am too bad. I find that, when I am tanking, my health tends to drop rather precipitously at times, but I am not sure if that is due to me being a tank, due to the skill of the healer, or if it is normal.

Comparatively, I think getting all of the dungeon quests you can in WotLK and doing dungeon runs there will net you more XP in the long run, even if you just keep doing UK over and over again. Even if you skip the dungeon quests, I still think you'll be better off. Just do quests while queued up, and you should be able to hit 71 faster than you think.

I am a tank. Generally, I wait for about 2 or 3 minutes and I am in the instance.

70-80 with random dungeon runs for me, on my Druid, a couple months ago, was ridiculously fast compared to how long it took when WotLK was the main expansion in play.

UK looks like it will take 5 runs per level right now for me to level up. I assume that, once I hit L71, I will get access to the next higher up dungeon. If only to make things a bit different.

I would also suggest, if you have decent amounts of gold at your disposal, to start looking for Cataclysm greens from your guild mates, and from the Auction House.

I have about 300 Gold right now, but I have noticed that UK is rather stingy on gold loot, and loot in general, to be honest.

You can start wearing Cataclysm greens at level 77, and it makes a big difference in your dungeon runs later on.

I am only L70 right now, so I think I have a ways to go before I need to worry about that.

And it should go without saying that you would never replace a BoA item, even with a Cataclysm green, but to me it sounds like this may be your first toon on your way up, so you probably don't have any BoAs yet.

BoA?? (And yup, this is my first toon.)

mudbunny wrote:

When I go into the dungeon finder, I see that I have the option to do, at my tender level of 70, some heroic old-world dungeons. I also see that I have a crapton more runs through Utgarde Keep if I want to get to other dungeons at L71.

I know that Heroic-level dungeons are harder, but is it feasible to do them at L70. or am I stuck grinding Utgarde for a while?

I know that once you hit 80 the Northrend dungeons essentially stop giving experience (as in the mobs suddenly start giving 13 or so exp per kill instead of their normal values). I don't know if the Outlands dungeons are the same way at level 70. I do know that even the epics from Outlands heroics aren't as good as the Northrend greens, though, and since most people head straight to Northrend immediately, you might be sitting in the queue for a while even if you are a tank, since people don't typically run the Outlands heroics anymore.

You also used to get one new instance per level as soon as you hit Northrend levels: UK at 68, Nexus at 69, Azjol-Nerub at 70, etc. Of course, you couldn't use the gear out of them yet, so maybe they moved the levels up to make it more uniform while I wasn't paying attention. Either way you should be getting a new one each level for quite some time, up through Halls of Stone.

BoA is Bind on Account. Items you can buy at (close to) max levels for various currencies that you can send between your characters. They have the stats of a blue of whatever level that character is, and "level up" with them to a certain point. The ones introduced in Wrath cap out at level 80, the new Cata ones at 85. Many of them also increase the experience you earn while wearing them, which is why they tend to be very popular.

With that kind of gold, I would depend on the generosity of your fellow guild mates, if they happen to fall upon some plate Cataclysm greens, rather than seeking them out in the AH. Most of the time, greens will go for 25-50 gold on the AH, which will burn up your gold supply quickly.

First thing I would recommend is to do some quests in Northrend besides hitting dungeons. Your gear levels are a little low, and some of the Northrend quest rewards will help make that health bar a little more stable in dungeons, until you start getting upgrades from the dungeons themselves.

I notice your off-spec is Holy, so I will make some recommendations about your gear based on that, but if you don't intend to heal at this level, anything that I say "keep around for healing," you can probably safely get rid of if you need the bag space.

You should ditch the neck with agility on it at the earliest opportunity.
Your chestpiece has intellect and spirit on it, so if you find yourself healing, keep it, but otherwise, replace that, too, if you're sticking with tanking for the foreseeable future.
Replace the mace, it has agility on it.
The shield has intellect on it, so if you use it for healing, keep it around, but tanking, it's no good.
Your gloves have spirit on them, so replace those for tanking, keep around for healing.
Everything under ilevel 100 should be replaced with something above ilevel 100 at some point in the near future. More UK runs, and more dungeon runs in general, will see to that.

You have a lot of plate DPS gear. That means items like your helm, with stats like strength, stam, and crit. You should continue to look for strength and stam, but crit is not a priority for protection paladins. Let's look at your boots as an example.

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At the top, in white text, you have Armor, Strength, and Stamina. Everything will have Armor on it. Strength and Stamina are the combination you're going to want to look for first in plate gear. Some plate gear will have Stamina and Intellect. Steer clear of those for tanking. Those are good for healing.

Next, you have Durability and Item Level (or ilevel). Durability you should be familiar with already. Item Level will get more important as you get closer to max level, but for now, in Northrend, you should be looking for anything and everything from 138-187. That's the range of what drops in Northrend, and in Normal Northrend dungeons. As you get higher ilevel gear, you will get better stats, and things will get easier.

Then you have the green stats, usually "Equip" but can be "Use" on Trinkets. Here, you're going to want to look for stats like Dodge, Parry, Hit, and Expertise. You'll want to avoid things like Critical Strike and Haste and Attack Power. Now, mind you, if a piece comes with a mix of Parry and Critical Strike (not sure such a piece exists, just an example) that's fine. It's got a tanking stat on it, so it will work.

A lot of this stuff will carry over into endgame content, so when you hit max level, you can expect to follow very similar rules. At the later levels, you'll see a new stat, Mastery (important for Prot paladins), and you'll have to start worrying about things like hit cap, and so forth, but for now, you can get by a little easier as a tank following these basic suggestions.

Given that he's L70 and isn't wearing BoAs, one of the GWJ Blacksmiths could and should probably gin him up the Cobalt tanking set; it's all L70 and will get him more than capable of tanking anything Wrath has to throw at him for a while.

AnimeJ wrote:

Given that he's L70 and isn't wearing BoAs, one of the GWJ Blacksmiths could and should probably gin him up the Cobalt tanking set; it's all L70 and will get him more than capable of tanking anything Wrath has to throw at him for a while.

Yep. The cobalt set is perfectly itemized for tanks.

Also, MB, make sure to get out in the world and explore. Northrend is wonderful. Experience gains have been buffed, and just belonging to the awesomeness that is GWJ gives you a +10 percent XP bonus.

Plus (and this goes to the heart of your earlier post) a lot of the quests hand out the gear you're looking for.

Remember that tank gear has lots of stamina and either (or several) parry, dodge and expertise. Anything with intell or spirit is for your healing set.

NSMike wrote:

First thing I would recommend is to do some quests in Northrend besides hitting dungeons. Your gear levels are a little low, and some of the Northrend quest rewards will help make that health bar a little more stable in dungeons, until you start getting upgrades from the dungeons themselves.

Agreed - there's a bunch of early quests in northrend that will help your gear along a fair bit.

In particular, make sure you do the quests that lead up to the quests in the instances.

I'm not sure what state protection paladins are in at the moment, but back when I was leveling one you could do a lot of the "kill 6 x" type quests in one or two pulls, so you can motor through them pretty fast.

Thanks to Zero who sent me a set of cobalt armor. All of the pieces are being put to good use, on me. Thanks also to whomever sent me the charged capacitor. I am apparantly going to use it soon.

The XP that I am getting is much better. As opposed to 88 per mob in the Outlands, I am getting 1800-1900 per mob.

Just me and my alt army with piles of cobalt laying about.

Hey MB: When you hit lvl 74, see if you can get yourself this thing: Venture Co. Libram of Protection. It's the only relic you'll see until you hit the Cata zones, and it will serve you well in the meantime.

The bad news is you need honor to buy the relic. The good news is you don't even have to step into a BG to do it. This daily quest in Grizzly Hills will give you 50 honor. And this daily quest in Grizzly Hills will give you another 50.

The same vendor who sells the relic also sells a handy tanking cloak.

Anyone interested in forming a refer-a-friend link to level up an alt with me? I haven't played in a serious manner since vanilla and want to see what's changed (I really want to fly around). PM me if interested, preferably within a few days or so.

Enix wrote:

Hey MB: When you hit lvl 74, see if you can get yourself this thing: Venture Co. Libram of Protection. It's the only relic you'll see until you hit the Cata zones, and it will serve you well in the meantime.

The bad news is you need honor to buy the relic. The good news is you don't even have to step into a BG to do it. This daily quest in Grizzly Hills will give you 50 honor. And this daily quest in Grizzly Hills will give you another 50.

The same vendor who sells the relic also sells a handy tanking cloak.

MB, I have a level 85 hearthed in this area because I do these 4 quests before hopping into pvp each night. If you see Xosa on, gimme a shout and I'll run you through the quests. Takes 5 minutes at most.

mindset.threat wrote:

MB, I have a level 85 hearthed in this area because I do these 4 quests before hopping into pvp each night. If you see Xosa on, gimme a shout and I'll run you through the quests. Takes 5 minutes at most.

Will do. I just started the Northrend chain of quests, and am almost at L71, so once I get there, i will poke you. Also, I think you can get Honor Points from doing Old World random dungeons. I think I might do one or two a night, if only to get some HP that way as well.

Honor's a PvP currency, you won't get any from PvE. As for Justice Points, you start getting those for random Wrath dungeons.

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What is the difference between Honor points and Justice Points? Also, I think I saw valor points in there somewhere, or am I just getting confused?

ELewis17 wrote:

Honor Points = currency to buy JV PVP gear
Conquest Points = currency to buy varsity PVP gear
Justice Points = currency to buy JV PVE gear
Valor Points = currency to buy varsity PVE gear

Fixed. See wow is really just like high school sports. Except in this case you can buy your way onto the team.

Honor Points = currency to buy JV PVP gear
Conquest Points = currency to buy varsity PVP gear
Justice Points = currency to buy JV PVE gear
Valor Points = currency to buy varsity PVE gear

I stole your fix because it makes way more sense. Not sure how much coffee it is going to take to get me out of this haze, but it is more than three cups...

mindset.threat wrote:

MB, I have a level 85 hearthed in this area because I do these 4 quests before hopping into pvp each night. If you see Xosa on, gimme a shout and I'll run you through the quests. Takes 5 minutes at most.

That is hardcore, sir. Truly hardcore. /salute

If my math is right, there are four Grizzly Hills PvP dailies that award 50 points each for a total of 200?

And do other folks know about that?

Enix wrote:
mindset.threat wrote:

MB, I have a level 85 hearthed in this area because I do these 4 quests before hopping into pvp each night. If you see Xosa on, gimme a shout and I'll run you through the quests. Takes 5 minutes at most.

That is hardcore, sir. Truly hardcore. /salute

If my math is right, there are four Grizzly Hills PvP dailies that award 50 points each for a total of 200?

And do other folks know about that?

With the extra honor we get from being in the guild, its 55 honor per quest so 220 total. Now and then you'll find some world pvp going on in the area, just to make things interesting.

There's a pretty neat new feature on the official armory website

Serengeti wrote:

There's a pretty neat new feature on the official armory website :-P

I knew you'd like that! It's mostly a "Here's what you don't have from our store or the Trading Card Game" display for me.

MMO-champions has a nice showcase of a new feature dealing with Real ID friends. MMO-champion Link

It might be interesting if it doesn't become a paid service to maybe get a list of people together that would like to come together. I have 80s and 85s on different servers than the GWJ servers that I have been debating on moving but if this pans out I might not have to. Not that I am saying I am cheap its just if I don't have to fork over the money I won't.