Anyone interested in a 2k football league?

Here is a pretty good article (of many) over at 2kfootballstrategy.com.

Here is the beginning premise:

Point Spread

In order to understand the balance of the team, we are going to assign a point value to the Gold, Silver, and Bronze players. Gold players are worth 3 points, Silver players are worth 2 points, and Bronze players are worth 1 point.

2x Gold Players x 3 points = 6 points
3x Silver Players x 2 points = 6 points
6x Bronze Players x 1 point = 6 points

With this value system, each tier has 6 points to spend, and there are 18 points in total. A balanced team will have 9 points spent on offense, and 9 points spent on defense. An offensively oriented team will have 10+ points spent on offense, where as a defensively oriented team will have 10+ points spent on defense.

The article goes on to suggest different team builds, and there is another article that discusses building a ball control type of team. Lots of good stuff to take in while deciding who to pick.

Yeah, but be sure to try some of them out. For example, each QB and RB is very different. Some QBs can throw on the run, some can neither throw on the run or even run. Some have awesome rocket arms. Others...well, you throw the ball, go to get a beer, and you have a chance to get back to see Ronnie Lott get the INT...

I should point out that even the generics are different from one another. Some of the generic TEs are studs, for example. Others you don't look at because it's not worth throwing at them.

Yeah, I think that's the most jarring thing about 2k for people used to Madden/NCAA. You drop back and try to throw on the run and you can't zip a ball on the run with every QB. That's why I always try to get Cunningham.

But yeah, one of the fun parts of the draft is that during the draft period you know who you might want, so you get the on your list of players you might pickup. In the meantime you look at backup options and take a hard look at that next pick to make sure he can actually do what you think he can do, because as firesloth said, 2k hid ratings for players under the covers. I, personally, loved it. No more complaining about why someone was 98 instead of 99. You just know that Ben Coates is a better tight end than the bronze tight ends. But by how much?

That's my mission this year, to draft a bronze tight end I'll be able to make work since it's my essential position, but I'd love to have a silver to use elsewhere.

Im in as well

ertic wrote:

Im in as well

Great. PM me your email address. I might have it on the previous spreadsheet, but I forgot which email address belonged to which person.

DSGamer wrote:

That's my mission this year, to draft a bronze tight end I'll be able to make work since it's my essential position, but I'd love to have a silver to use elsewhere.

I think you should go with a generic at TE this time around....

I'm in, I PM'd you DSG!

Jayhawker wrote:

Special attention needs to be paid to positions where there are limited players. I'd like to see us nail down what is acceptable for position changes. Personally, if a player played the position in real life, feel free to stick him there. I'd say moving LB's, RB's, and DB's around should be okay. But moving a WR to DB just because we ran out of bronze DB's shouldn't be allowed. But CB's, FS's, and SS's should be interchangeable. Same with HB's and FB's, as well as OLB's and MLB's.

Ok, seriously man, you just melted my brain. I just love to throw the pigskin around and game with the GWJ gang.

legend Baby!!!!!

I still need email addresses for Jayhawker, Gumbie, Frankie and Ruthless and I'm ready to kick off the draft.

Sent

Right now, this is how it looks. I have 9 email addresses, I believe. Unless I'm missing someone.

I have the following interested GWJers.

DSGamer
Jayhawker
firesloth
ertic
Farscry
frankiemumbles
ruthlessmuffin
Gumbie
maxox
staats
Prederick

That gives us 11. Do we need to find a 12th? Let me know. Also, if you haven't emailed me, please do. I want to get this going as soon as I can so we can start drafting.

Thanks!

Ruthless and frankie, you guys might wanna change your email to use at instead of @ so the spam bots don't get them.

Is there still something out there as a guide to the whole drafting process that you guys can point me to?

Farscry wrote:

Is there still something out there as a guide to the whole drafting process that you guys can point me to?

Well, the aforementioned 2kfootballstrategy.com has a forum on team creation strategies. I'd play a bit and feel out your play style.

There are a few things to keep in mind:

*Some of the best bronze (or even silver) players are likely to go off the board early. This is in part because most of the gold players are studs, so you are harder pressed to separate your team by picking gold early. (But, you can do quite well either way...)

*There aren't enough players in the secondary to go around. If you want some specific safeties or corners, pick 'em early.

*Most of us have found that the starred offensive linemen aren't worth the pick, quite frankly. You get more value out of other positions, including DL.

*Bronze star QBs typically have much lower arm strength than their gold or even silver counterparts. A gold QB will make lower-tier WRs much more valuable.

*Every starred player is different, some seem much better than others. For example, RBs Ottis Anderson (silver) and Christian Okoye (bronze) seem to be a lot better than the other silver and bronze RBs. Or at least people have more success with them. Most bronze RBs are pretty slow and won't run over people like Earl Campbell.

Good stuff to know, but I'm actually thinking more in terms of mechanically; how does the drafting thing work? Do we all have to be online for it at once, or is it a take-turns-within-X-hours deal, or what? I've never tried a league in a football game before, much less one with a draft. The only league I've done was the old NHL league we did (that I missed the second half of due to the good old RROD hitting my first 360) that and was just a matter of everyone picking a full team, not drafting individual players.

Farscry wrote:

Good stuff to know, but I'm actually thinking more in terms of mechanically; how does the drafting thing work? Do we all have to be online for it at once, or is it a take-turns-within-X-hours deal, or what? I've never tried a league in a football game before, much less one with a draft. The only league I've done was the old NHL league we did (that I missed the second half of due to the good old RROD hitting my first 360) that and was just a matter of everyone picking a full team, not drafting individual players.

Oh, nothing too formal. Everyone can edit and view the spreadsheet. We post our picks in the draft thread here and also update the spreadsheet. We haven't had to worry about deadlines...people draft players when they get a chance once they're up. You'll often find someone else is there perusing the spreadsheet when you go to make your pick. It's fun to chat through Google while making your picks. Mostly we trash-talk about frankie.

I think you have to update all four sheets in the spreadsheet:

1) Note which player you chose in the owners/draft order thread.
2) Put that player in your "picks by tier" entry.
3) Change the players name to the "strikethrough" font on the player list so folks know he's no longer available.
4) Update your team roster.

Basically we get a draft order (I literally pick names from a hat). I put that draft order up. We do a snake style draft. So people draft in their order 1 - 10 or whatever. Next round we go 10 - 1. Next round 1 - 10 and so on.

I start a thread for the draft and we all post our picks, tell everyone that their pick has been made, etc. So basically as Jayhawker was alluding to, we just follow that thread and as guys you wanted get picked we generally play pickup games with each other when we have time, so can figure out back up strategies.

So it's turn-based and it all happens via the spreadsheet. You get access to it and you will that I've filled in the draft order. Every time you make a pick you select the name of the player and strike through their name so everyone knows their not available. It's very intuitive, I think. Check out the Season 4 spreadsheet I linked here and you'll get the idea.

I thinks the best thing to do is come up with a bit of a Buddy system, when we draft.

I think we all should find somone, you don't mind giving your phone number or text message this would help the draft getting bogged down at times.

I know it's hard to be on the computer all the time with work, and other things that may be going on during your day, or (THE WIFE).

Then there's people like me I'm around the computer all the time and can put your pick up for you.

Example Ruthlessmuffin, when it has been his pick in the past, I would reach him by phone and he would tell me his choice and I would post it keeping the draft moving.

Just a thought

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FIRESLOTH

Farscry wrote:

Good stuff to know, but I'm actually thinking more in terms of mechanically; how does the drafting thing work? Do we all have to be online for it at once, or is it a take-turns-within-X-hours deal, or what? I've never tried a league in a football game before, much less one with a draft.

The nice part of 2K8 is that we're only talking eleven players. What we've done is just make a pick and wait. So it takes a week or two to get the draft done. This works out better than it sounds, because you start finding the rest of the guys online testing their new players, and comparing possible players they may pick soon. I probably played more games during the draft than during the season.

The game does not have a draft function, so we just do the draft on the spreadsheet, and then everyone is expected to create their team with The players they picked. Then we sign-up for the league through Xbox Live. We keep two threads going, one to track picks, and one for me to tell DS what terrible picks he has made. While there will be some banter in the draft thread, it best to keep a little more clear so we can easily keep track of who is drafting and when.

One of the reasons I wanted to get those previous draft threads located was so that the new guys could kind of see how it goes.

I looked for them. The search system has issues when I try to use it.

Looks like it actually took a month, September 8th through October 7th. Oh, but it was worth it.

Who will be the number one pick this year?

Jayhawker wrote:

Looks like it actually took a month, September 8th through October 7th. Oh, but it was worth it.

Who will be the number one pick this year?

If I have it I can guarantee that it won't be Joe Montana.

Haha. If I have it I guarantee it will be Coates.

DSGamer wrote:

Haha. If I have it I guarantee it will be Coates.

Thought you were going cold turkey?

firesloth wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Haha. If I have it I guarantee it will be Coates.

Thought you were going cold turkey?

This might be a good time to tell the story of how he came up with the name DSGamer.

Cool; thanks for the explanations everyone, you guys rock.

I also think Frankiemumbles's buddy system idea is pretty cool. Would definitely seem to help move everything along. I'll be perusing the previous season's thread today whenever I can!