FFXIV: catch all

Don't hate, woot!

Hate, Hate, Hate,

So, I cant wait for my commision check because i can order my new components.

AMD 1090T
2x GTX 460

are the highlights

DeThroned wrote:

I hate you people wooting ... I hate you all (evil look)

What he said. If they're looking for rigs scoring in the middle of the road, there's no way I'll get an invite.

Well, both me and the girlfriend got in to the beta. Since she was home figuring it out while I was at work, she showed me the ropes on where to get quests, how to activate them, etc. I didn't get to play much because 1) I was in queue for about 2 hours, and 2) I wasn't able to actually attack the mobs I needed to kill for the quests I had, so I logged out. Well, it IS a beta after all so I'm guessing bugs like that will happen.

Anyways, a few thoughts after playing for maybe 5-10 minutes:

It's weird to see an MMO with no floating icons above NPCs' heads to help you figure out who is who.

The camera control is REALLY bad right now. It's your typical hold right mouse button and move it to pan around, but it has very bad mouse acceleration on or something so that if you barely move your mouse, the camera doesn't pan at all very much, but if you move the mouse too much the camera will start spinning around your character. I do like the placement of the camera behind the back, though.

One neat thing about being in a quest - the mobs you need to kill will be visible only to the people in your party. No more waiting for mobs to spawn because everyone needs the same quest. Once you enter the zone where the quest takes place, red dots will appear on the minimap, and those mobs are for you to kill only. Nice touch.

The interface is a little user-unfriendly, but as with all MMOs, I'm sure it's something I'll get accustomed to after playing for awhile.

I'm sure I'll have more thoughts if I can actually play tomorrow.

wasd is movement

ijkl is much better for camera rotate than the mouse

The game is currently designed to run on a dual stick gamepad, period.

Sinkwater wrote:

The camera control is REALLY bad right now.

fangblackbone wrote:

wasd is movement

ijkl is much better for camera rotate than the mouse

The game is currently designed to run on a dual stick gamepad, period.

I think they are carrying over the FFXI control scheme just for the sake of familiarity. I never touched the mouse in that game, only using the Numpad and Directional Keys. Most of the demos I've seen have had a wired 360 controller being used...ironically.

What specs do you all have on your machines and how do you think it performs?

i7 920
9GB RAM
GTX260 216core
Win7 pro 64 bit

I wanna say I was in the 3K range for scores.

Performance is... choppy.

So far, I'm not terribly impressed. As someone else said, the mouse camera control (which is what I am most familiar with using) is particularly terrible. I haven't had a lot of time to really dig into the game, though. Perhaps more later.

Performance is... choppy.

So far, I'm not terribly impressed. As someone else said, the mouse camera control (which is what I am most familiar with using) is particularly terrible. I haven't had a lot of time to really dig into the game, though. Perhaps more later.

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fangblackbone wrote:

The game is currently designed to run on a dual stick gamepad, period.

It doesn't mean that the mouse+keyboard controls have to suffer.

Sinkwater wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

The game is currently designed to run on a dual stick gamepad, period.

It doesn't mean that the mouse+keyboard controls have to suffer.

FFXI was like that too; while it's certainly crappy, keyboard/mouse is simply not something Square is good at.

Interesting performance discussion at FFXIVCore:
http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/8219-...

Highlights:

Hmm I tend to disagree. My brother's computer gave him a score in the 900s and he plays on medium settings with zero problems. If he can play in beta with zero problems I'm sure the live game will be no different. I think SE just inflated the scores.
My wife uses a Radeon HD 4770 and she can also max the game out with no issues, the gets scores in the 1.8k-2k range which says:
[1500-1999] Low Performance
Capable of running the game, but will experience considerable slowdown. Adjusting settings is unlikely to improve performance.

But she can run everything awesomely, without MultiSamp. A $100 Video card can tackle this, thats probably the largest reason i don't trust the bench, her CPU is whats holding her back in the benchmark, but i again say, it is the exact opposite during play.

fangblackbone wrote:

wasd is movement

ijkl is much better for camera rotate than the mouse

The game is currently designed to run on a dual stick gamepad, period.

Hooey. I'm not going to play the game then. I hate having a controller + keyboard/mouse for MMOG controls.

Well, I'll wait for the new WoW then.

Ulairi wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

wasd is movement

ijkl is much better for camera rotate than the mouse

The game is currently designed to run on a dual stick gamepad, period.

Hooey. I'm not going to play the game then. I hate having a controller + keyboard/mouse for MMOG controls.

Well, I'll wait for the new WoW then.

ffxi started the same way. It was an absolute bitch trying to configure the camera and movement that felt close to other mmos.

ranalin wrote:
Ulairi wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

wasd is movement

ijkl is much better for camera rotate than the mouse

The game is currently designed to run on a dual stick gamepad, period.

Hooey. I'm not going to play the game then. I hate having a controller + keyboard/mouse for MMOG controls.

Well, I'll wait for the new WoW then.

ffxi started the same way. It was an absolute bitch trying to configure the camera and movement that felt close to other mmos.

FFXI was my first MMO so I'm totally biased towards that control scheme.

Numpad 4-8-6 for movement, 0 for tab-target, enter to enter, - to bring up menus, + for lock-on/off. Switch your camera angles by shifting your thumb over to the "d-pad". Then you had your left hand free to hit whatever macros or hotkeys. It's basically the G13 design.

When I switched to WoW I was disappointed that you couldn't lock-on to an enemy. Essentially making all of your actions relative to the enemy as the center of the camera rather than your character. Without lock-on you have to fidget with the mouse constantly.

The one thing I do like about FFXI's camera over western mmo's cameras is the lock-on feature. Is that returning in FFXIV?

BishopRS wrote:
ranalin wrote:
Ulairi wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

wasd is movement

ijkl is much better for camera rotate than the mouse

The game is currently designed to run on a dual stick gamepad, period.

Hooey. I'm not going to play the game then. I hate having a controller + keyboard/mouse for MMOG controls.

Well, I'll wait for the new WoW then.

ffxi started the same way. It was an absolute bitch trying to configure the camera and movement that felt close to other mmos.

FFXI was my first MMO so I'm totally biased towards that control scheme.

Numpad 4-8-6 for movement, 0 for tab-target, enter to enter, - to bring up menus, + for lock-on/off. Switch your camera angles by shifting your thumb over to the "d-pad". Then you had your left hand free to hit whatever macros or hotkeys. It's basically the G13 design.

When I switched to WoW I was disappointed that you couldn't lock-on to an enemy. Essentially making all of your actions relative to the enemy as the center of the camera rather than your character. Without lock-on you have to fidget with the mouse constantly.

I still play FFXI to this day(sylph) and can't stand the keyboard, granted I started on the PS2 so I got real comfortable. I use a wireless xbox controller and love it on the pc I don't have to sit hunched and shackled to my keyboard.

I know people are not fond of the new camera but ya gotta remember that this is designed for consoles first and then the PC. The larger market share is in JPN on the consoles.

I got a 2125 on high res. I might upgrade my GPU before this game releases. It's two years old. My 5870 bumped me to a 4362 on high. I think more than doubling my score with the one upgrade is pretty nice. Next thing I'll upgrade will be my RAM but that can wait.

Farscry wrote:

The one thing I do like about FFXI's camera over western mmo's cameras is the lock-on feature. Is that returning in FFXIV?

Yeah, it's something that I did while playing the beta for the very short time.

Recommended requirements posted: http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/media...

Holy crap, those are the specs of a current higher end gaming computer.

Yeah, those specs seem a little inflated to me. An i7 chip and a GTX460? Ouch. And that's for running the game at 720p, not at a standard widescreen computer monitor resolution.

Personally, I think my pc will be fine based on my performance with the benchmark. Running an E8500 overclocked to 3.6ghz and a GTX260 core216 overclocked to 650mhz (can't remember what the ram overclock is at); it's a nice gaming pc, but nothing earthshattering. I run everything I can at 1680*1050 (my monitor's native res) with 8x aniso and either 2x or 4x anti-aliasing; I don't really care about performance at higher resolutions.

If anyone gets an extra phase 3 beta key. Hook me up?

Hey here is a blog on some of the abilities in XIV some seem really cool and also give some insight on how things will work in the game. (Air targets can't be hit by ground based attacks?! Finally a return to the classic FF interactions!) http://ffxivjourney.blogspot.com/2010/07/ffxiv-moves-list-if-you-cair-enough.html

{Summoning Magic}{Beta}{key}

...

*bangs staff on ground*

This thing is busted.

It's not just yours.

Luckily I just built new computer and it has breathed new life into some of my old games.

AMD 1090T Hexcore
GTX 470SC
8GB ram

And the same, if anyone gets an extra beta invite i would be eternally grateful.

I keep getting to file planet just a bit late and they run out each day. Sigh.

SpyNavy wrote:

I keep getting to file planet just a bit late and they run out each day. Sigh.

Same here, but a buddy got in yesterday. So we checked it out and....I'm not sure how they are going to be ready for launch. It's the most beta Beta I've seen. Don't worry about getting in. It's probably worth saving you frustration by just giving them another month to fix things. I'm now content to finish up some other games in the meantime.

BishopRS wrote:
SpyNavy wrote:

I keep getting to file planet just a bit late and they run out each day. Sigh.

Same here, but a buddy got in yesterday. So we checked it out and....I'm not sure how they are going to be ready for launch. It's the most beta Beta I've seen. Don't worry about getting in. It's probably worth saving you frustration by just giving them another month to fix things. I'm now content to finish up some other games in the meantime.

Without breaking NDA i can say that it is beta and ive seen much worse in other betas. People might want to preface if they've played FFXI or not before. There's things in there that make grown men cry, but its just the game. Some of that has been brought over.

So i expect a lot of the early cries are from people expecting a game just like other aaa mmos. Doesnt mean there's not issues, but thats for after a NDA lift.

ranalin wrote:

Without breaking NDA i can say that it is beta and ive seen much worse in other betas. People might want to preface if they've played FFXI or not before. There's things in there that make grown men cry, but its just the game. Some of that has been brought over.

So i expect a lot of the early cries are from people expecting a game just like other aaa mmos. Doesnt mean there's not issues, but thats for after a NDA lift.

I have NOT played FFXI and am very interested in things that may be present in FFXIV that may be very different than what I am used to in other MMOs. I've played most of the popular releases (WoW, Warhammer, LOTRO, AoC, EQ2). Are you able to go into any brief details on these things without breaking your NDA? Or perhaps refer to things in FFXI that may or may not be in the XIV

My main concern at this point is combat. It just doesnt look that engaging at the moment. But that could also be that every video I have seen is lower level, I am not sure.