Rage Catch-All

Duoae wrote:
So i might need 25GBs on my PS3? (Ignoring that it might only have a partial install.. I know 360 is all or nothing though.) I'm up for that if it helps loading speeds.

Yeah, from what I read after Quakecon, the 360 is a minimum 22gig install, and Carmack strongly recommended that you install it to the HD. It's also 3 disks for the Xbox: 2 for the SP, 1 for the MP.

kyrieee wrote:
I'm not sure why but I just think this game is going to tank. I'm a bit worried for id

It's because of the competition. An FPS coming out near Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 is probably not the smartest of release dates. But it will probably still do very well. I like the look and feel of this one and from the previous I've watched, it just looks like a lot of fun.

kyrieee wrote:
I'm not sure why but I just think this game is going to tank. I'm a bit worried for id

I don't think it will outright tank, but I'd definitely be more worried if they hadn't been bought out by Zenimax. I don't know if the game will sell the number of copies needed to justify its development time--it may not be the kind of hit that id's always had in the past. But even if the game doesn't meet sales expectations, id's technology should still be useful for Bethesda in the future. I think being bought out gives them a buffer to survive an under-performer.

Whoa that's some pretty serious head-bob in the vault trailer. I hope that can be configured to be reduced/eliminated to prevent the rockin' and rollin' simulator seasickness that affects a fair few folks.

BlackSabre wrote:
kyrieee wrote:
I'm not sure why but I just think this game is going to tank. I'm a bit worried for id

It's because of the competition. An FPS coming out near Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 is probably not the smartest of release dates. But it will probably still do very well. I like the look and feel of this one and from the previous I've watched, it just looks like a lot of fun.

I know I don't follow the other two franchises, so this will be a purchase for me, for sure.

All I know is I have it pre-ordered and am pretty pumped for it.

m0nk3yboy wrote:
BlackSabre wrote:
kyrieee wrote:
I'm not sure why but I just think this game is going to tank. I'm a bit worried for id

It's because of the competition. An FPS coming out near Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 is probably not the smartest of release dates. But it will probably still do very well. I like the look and feel of this one and from the previous I've watched, it just looks like a lot of fun.

I know I don't follow the other two franchises, so this will be a purchase for me, for sure.

See, I can't resist the call of Battlefield 3. I've pretty much accepted that it's the only game I'll be buying. There's no point buying any of the others (even Batman and Assassins Creed) as I'll be too busy having fun in B3. But the good thing is, Christmas sale and next year means I'll get this and the others for a lot cheaper at a time where I want something different.

BlackSabre wrote:
m0nk3yboy wrote:
BlackSabre wrote:
kyrieee wrote:
I'm not sure why but I just think this game is going to tank. I'm a bit worried for id

It's because of the competition. An FPS coming out near Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 is probably not the smartest of release dates. But it will probably still do very well. I like the look and feel of this one and from the previous I've watched, it just looks like a lot of fun.

I know I don't follow the other two franchises, so this will be a purchase for me, for sure.

See, I can't resist the call of Battlefield 3. I've pretty much accepted that it's the only game I'll be buying. There's no point buying any of the others (even Batman and Assassins Creed) as I'll be too busy having fun in B3. But the good thing is, Christmas sale and next year means I'll get this and the others for a lot cheaper at a time where I want something different.

I am afraid to dig deeper into your enthusiasm, for my pile already towers over me... Putting it ahead of Batman has my interest piqued though...

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m0nk3yboy wrote:
BlackSabre wrote:
m0nk3yboy wrote:
BlackSabre wrote:
kyrieee wrote:
I'm not sure why but I just think this game is going to tank. I'm a bit worried for id

It's because of the competition. An FPS coming out near Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 is probably not the smartest of release dates. But it will probably still do very well. I like the look and feel of this one and from the previous I've watched, it just looks like a lot of fun.

I know I don't follow the other two franchises, so this will be a purchase for me, for sure.

See, I can't resist the call of Battlefield 3. I've pretty much accepted that it's the only game I'll be buying. There's no point buying any of the others (even Batman and Assassins Creed) as I'll be too busy having fun in B3. But the good thing is, Christmas sale and next year means I'll get this and the others for a lot cheaper at a time where I want something different.

I am afraid to dig deeper into your enthusiasm, for my pile already towers over me... Putting it ahead of Batman has my interest piqued though...

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Lol. Lets just say I have over 650 hours logged with Battlefield Bad Company 2. And that's with getting it 6 months after it was released. We all have our weaknesses. BF3 is mine.

nel e nel wrote:
Duoae wrote:
So i might need 25GBs on my PS3? (Ignoring that it might only have a partial install.. I know 360 is all or nothing though.) I'm up for that if it helps loading speeds.

Yeah, from what I read after Quakecon, the 360 is a minimum 22gig install, and Carmack strongly recommended that you install it to the HD. It's also 3 disks for the Xbox: 2 for the SP, 1 for the MP.

I have this pre-ordered for the 360 and I really hope it doesn't play like ass without the ludicrous install

philucifer wrote:
kyrieee wrote:
I'm not sure why but I just think this game is going to tank. I'm a bit worried for id
I don't think it will outright tank, but I'd definitely be more worried if they hadn't been bought out by Zenimax. I don't know if the game will sell the number of copies needed to justify its development time--it may not be the kind of hit that id's always had in the past. But even if the game doesn't meet sales expectations, id's technology should still be useful for Bethesda in the future. I think being bought out gives them a buffer to survive an under-performer.

It's something Carmack touched on at his quakecon keynote, they can't go on with long development cycles (although not all the time since Doom3 has been on Rage, but with other projects, internal and external). One of the aims they had for Rage/idtech5 and their games going forward is that it's more efficient to make content, as this is a problem for everyone in the big AAA games part of the industry.

edit: Trying to expand my knowledge of megatextures, I ended up reading this: http://www.team5150.com/~andrew/carm...
It's five years old now, and deals with the idtech4 version of the technology. Beyond the quakecon keynotes, is anyone aware of a better source for educating myself?

Maclintok wrote:
nel e nel wrote:
Duoae wrote:
So i might need 25GBs on my PS3? (Ignoring that it might only have a partial install.. I know 360 is all or nothing though.) I'm up for that if it helps loading speeds.

Yeah, from what I read after Quakecon, the 360 is a minimum 22gig install, and Carmack strongly recommended that you install it to the HD. It's also 3 disks for the Xbox: 2 for the SP, 1 for the MP.

I have this pre-ordered for the 360 and I really hope it doesn't play like ass without the ludicrous install

You could always do an install to a 16GB thumb drive as a cheaper stop gap (if space is an issue). <-- do you see what I did there? Huh, huh

m0nk3yboy wrote:
You could always do an install to a 16GB thumb drive as a cheaper stop gap (if space is an issue). <-- do you see what I did there? Huh, huh ;)

It's a 20+GB install.

MannishBoy wrote:
m0nk3yboy wrote:
You could always do an install to a 16GB thumb drive as a cheaper stop gap (if space is an issue). <-- do you see what I did there? Huh, huh ;)

It's a 20+GB install.

I was hoping you could do the one disk on, one disk off method, like Forza 3, or split the disks across storage devices.

I know they were saying it's 2 disks for the SP content (14-15GB), one for the MP (5-6GB). Maybe you can do a single disk copy to the thumb stick, and the second disk to another or the hard drive itself if those install gestimates of mine are off?

Personally not a problem, as I have the space, but I'm guessing that is going to put some people off purchasing.

+1 for id making people aware of it though pre-purchase.

I wonder how much duplicated data there is across the 3 xbox discs, and how much is unique on each disc. It would seem to be the only platform where that would be needed.

Scratched wrote:
I wonder how much duplicated data there is across the 3 xbox discs, and how much is unique on each disc. It would seem to be the only platform where that would be needed.

PC retail boxes I would assume would need similar numbers of discs.

EDIT: Nevermind, I see what you are saying about the duplicated data.

I'm not especially worried about its tanking. They bought two weeks of product placement on Breaking Bad; I think they'll give it the ad support it needs. I doubt it will get amazing reviews, though.

CptGlanton wrote:
I'm not especially worried about its tanking. They bought two weeks of product placement on Breaking Bad; I think they'll give it the ad support it needs. I doubt it will get amazing reviews, though.

I don't know, everybody at the shows that sees it seems pretty impressed. I think it will do OK with reviewers. Maybe not perfect scores, but totally respectable.

I do think this would have been better a bit earlier in the release season (like now). The fact that it doesn't have shooting MP in an id game I bet has some people renting on console (or trading in) when they might have bought it, due mainly to a lot of the MP competition at this time of the year.

CptGlanton wrote:
I'm not especially worried about its tanking. They bought two weeks of product placement on Breaking Bad; I think they'll give it the ad support it needs. I doubt it will get amazing reviews, though.

What makes you say that? Everything I have read has the previewer pretty impressed.

Has Clocky converted you?

Man, the Breaking Bad stuff was WEIRD

MannishBoy wrote:
CptGlanton wrote:
I'm not especially worried about its tanking. They bought two weeks of product placement on Breaking Bad; I think they'll give it the ad support it needs. I doubt it will get amazing reviews, though.

I don't know, everybody at the shows that sees it seems pretty impressed. I think it will do OK with reviewers. Maybe not perfect scores, but totally respectable.

I do think this would have been better a bit earlier in the release season (like now). The fact that it doesn't have shooting MP in an id game I bet has some people renting on console (or trading in) when they might have bought it, due mainly to a lot of the MP competition at this time of the year.

Yes, the press is pretty much gaga over, but the main point they all make is that "It's gorgeous!". I don't really hear anything about the gameplay outside of "It's an id game, so you already know it's going to be a solid shooter", and "each enemy faction has unique AI".

It all sounds great, but honestly the fact that it's wedged between Gears 3 and Batman makes it a wait-and-see title for me. I'm much more intrigued/excited about Borderlands 2.

nel e nel wrote:
Yes, the press is pretty much gaga over, but the main point they all make is that "It's gorgeous!". I don't really hear anything about the gameplay outside of "It's an id game, so you already know it's going to be a solid shooter", and "each enemy faction has unique AI".

Solid shooters sell well. But I have seen quite a few very positive previews talking about more than the graphics. Here's one at Joystiq.

Actually, I expect this to be a game that reviews well, sells decently, and then become a perennial favorite in "games I hate" threads. It's pretty enough to get reviewers gushing, and it looks like it will have solid enough gameplay, but there will be some quirk in the AI or the level design or the controls that people will despise, and it'll turn into this notoriously game-breaking feature.

In other words, I expect a repeat of Doom 3 with its "endless monster closets!" and "my goddamn marine can't use a gun and a flashlight at the same time!" My money is on Rage's driving segments being the big, game-breaking disappointer.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
My money is on Rage's driving segments being the big, game-breaking disappointer.

The previews that have talked much about the driving say at least that it feels right. But how it's used in the story will probably make or break it.

Then we'll get the usual "id make technology, not games" comments from everywhere. Like Valve, they're a company that we've put on a pedestal. If their games are not golden gifts handed down from heaven on high, it's a troll-o-rama. the whole "when it's done" development cycle doesn't help.

All the same, my pre-order is in.

The preview I read said aside from an early mission, the car stuff is mostly optional.

Vs BF and COD I think It's a different market, especially BF.

duckilama wrote:
Vs BF and COD I think It's a different market, especially BF.

Technically, but I'm in the market for all of them. And I don't think I'd be alone.

I can see how some might just skip this one due to the MP offerings making some of the other holiday releases look like better buys. I hope it does well, as id has a lot of goodwill built up with me.

Meh, not every game needs to be Bioshock. I'm looking forward to a dumb and pretty shooter.

Grubber788 wrote:
Meh, not every game needs to be Bioshock. I'm looking forward to a dumb and pretty shooter.

From what I've been reading, Rage isn't going to be dumb really, at least not Doom/Quake dumb. One preview I read said "id is finally growing up" and they were impressed by the depth of the game and some of the subject matter.

Also, Rage is not going to tank. I'll be willing to bet it does exceedingly well. This is a very high profile, AAA release made by the godfather of first person shooters, with a serious marketing budget. Also, I think the game is going to kick ass. I went from being almost totally disinterested in it earlier this year, to now being very close to a day one purchase. The more I follow it, the more impressed I've become.

The Oct 4th release date is well in advance of BF3 and MW3 (not that this game is even in the same genre really), and is 2 weeks in front of Batman AC. I don't think this is an accident.

Rage is going to sell fine. id Software still carries a lot of weight and the game itself looks pretty good. In a world where Duke Nukem Forever can clear 1.5 million units sold on name alone, any id game probably has a good shot. Remember, most of the sales are coming from guys who grew up with id and have disposable income now.