What's the best place to host a fantasy football league for 2009?

Starting a new thread since it's really more appropriate than continuing to tack on to the GWJFFL 2008 Postseason one - especially since I'm sure there are people who are pass right over that one who might still be interested in this particular discussion (for example, if they weren't in GWJFFL but still like fantasy football). Anyway, this isn't about GWJFFL specifically but will certainly probably influence where we host this year so post your nominees, comments, and pros/cons hopefully we can all benefit from the dialog.

Are you ready for some football?

Note: I'm not bringing over the comments from the other thread. If you had a point over there that you want noted here, make it again. Thanks.

EA was meh. I have heard much from the prophet legion of this fleaflicker.

I use Yahoo for NHL, NBA, MLB and NFL and have really 0 complaints. To be fair though I really haven't used anything else for comparison.

Usually go to espn for a primer on players and draft strategies but Yahoo does their own stuff also. Helps that they do if your making a league thats being filled out by limited knowledge players. Kinda force feeds them that basic knowledge they need going in to the draft at the very least. Can't do much about them quitting on their team once things get ugly but Yahoo continues to provide information for the people willing to read it.

My vote is for FleaFlicker. It's one of the few sites flexible enough to implement our rules properly. It's not the mess EA's site was. It's reliable, and flexible enough to allow commissioners to fix damn near any problem that comes up. I moved my money league off of the brilliant MyFantasyLeague pay service and on to FleaFlicker last year. It's the first free site that I consider "production ready". It's very lightweight, good for slower connections and (what I like) mobile phone browsers. (They're developing a mobile version of the site, but the standard site is so light that it works well as is). And what I like best, it maintains a full history of each year of the league.

This page seems to confirm the problem that caused us to leave Yahoo still exists. Even though Yahoo's free service has added blind bidding, that is only for waiver claims, and there isn't a way to force all free agents to pass through waivers. That means the "grab a guy during games on Sunday" problem would still exist. This makes Yahoo a no-go, unless someone can spot an option I'm missing to force all free agency to be waiver claims.

We've never ran GWJFFL on FleaFlicker and since we have loyalty to no one site I believe it is FleaFlicker's turn. How good is FleaFlicker's live scoring? I'm sure it's adequate but since it's my favorite part of fantasy football I'd like it to not be 10 minutes behind. Plus I love seeing my bench slaughter my starters in points in real time.

Elliottx wrote:

We've never ran GWJFFL on FleaFlicker and since we have loyalty to no one site I believe it is FleaFlicker's turn. How good is FleaFlicker's live scoring? I'm sure it's adequate but since it's my favorite part of fantasy football I'd like it to not be 10 minutes behind. Plus I love seeing my bench slaughter my starters in points in real time.

I have to admit to not being a rigorous live scoring watcher - it was a goal of mine last year to just follow the games and not fret over the fantasy scoring unfolding, as actually having an impact on the game was out of my hands at that point (though I broke this rule sometimes, especially on more "chill" Sundays when I was relaxed enough to not get wound up over being behind by 10 points but wait I have 5 starters left to play and he has only 4 and one of those is his defense and and and ....). However, what I remember of the live scoring was positive. I recall delays being fairly minimal.

I'd like to try Fleaflicker. Interested to see how a new site will work.

I'll vote for Fleaflicker. I haven't won a championship there yet.

oldmanscene24 wrote:

I'll vote for Fleaflicker. I haven't won a championship there yet. :P

Nice.

And you never will!

I'll vote for Fleaflicker. I haven't won a championship there yet.

Ouch! Damn you Kurt Warner!

I started my fantasy playing about 10 years ago and used a site called Sandbox. It was great for a couple of years until they started making you pay, and if you didn't, you could only access your team between certain hours (wtf)... Then I moved on to Yahoo and have been there ever since (with a few ESPN leagues mixed in). I prefer Yahoo mainly because of the playoff system. You can set it so that the first round or two are one week but the finals are two weeks. ESPN does not allow you to do this. They didn't used to have free live stat tracking, which was the main reason I did a couple of ESPN leagues in the past, but starting this year, they do. ESPN also doesn't let you start a private league and then open it up later to the public if you need to fill it out; Yahoo does. I've never done a GWJ league before so I don't know all the settings you guys use so take what my concerns with a grain of salt.

I just finished taking the tour over at Fleaflicker and it looks really nice. After the tour, you can go a check out some of the public leagues to get a sense for the tools available, how reports are laid out, league rules set up, etc.

I may become a Fleaflicker prophet too.

My vote goes the FF too.

I didn't have any problems with FleaFlicker last year. Whenever I kept up with the live scoring, it was faster and more reliable than EA's site. It also didn't give me massive logon errors like EA did. I prefer it over all other free sites I've used.

I've played MSN's public leagues simply because I have a Hotmail email address. Very basic, but sometimes the system goes down due to overload. Avoid because of that. It's really annoying and they never seemed to have fixed it.

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Nightmare wrote:

I just finished taking the tour over at Fleaflicker and it looks really nice. After the tour, you can go a check out some of the public leagues to get a sense for the tools available, how reports are laid out, league rules set up, etc.

I may become a Fleaflicker prophet too.

My vote goes the FleaFlicker too.

I don't know if I'm a prophet, but that tour has made me more than just curious.

It looks like FleaFlicker is packed with cool features.

And...

Elliottx wrote:

...since we have loyalty to no one site I believe it is FleaFlicker's turn.

I agree.

I've liked Yahoo in the past, and EA wasn't bad. (I'm not sure what other people's specific complaints were, but surprisingly, I had very few.)

But, I vote to try FleaFlicker this year for GWJFFL.

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Does FleaFlicker have contingency pickups?

Like, if a player I'm trying to pickup is taken by another team, get this one instead. And, if that one is taken, get this one instead. etc. (That was one feature of EA that COMPLETELY ROCKED!)

Dan Kelly wrote:

Does FleaFlicker have contingency pickups?

Like, if a player I'm trying to pickup is taken by another team, get this one instead. And, if that one is taken, get this one instead. etc. (That was one feature of EA that COMPLETELY ROCKED!)

Conditional waivers are pretty much a standard feature of any real waiver system now (bidding or no). Pre-bidding FleaFlicker had a rule-matching scheme that allowed you to create "conditional" pickups, and I don't doubt that the bidding system (which is to go online any day now!) will continue to.

Also, funny little thing about FleaFlicker - our old AOL leagues are still there, as FleaFlicker was bought by AOL and all the old AOL leagues were migrated over.

They played on autopilot last season with our 2007 rosters. I went 12-4!

Are you ready for some football?

Is there a new FF thread? (I can't find it using the Search function.)

Again?

Some folks never learn!

This year you didn't even make it to July! Next year, try and get it in before Memorial Day. We should hold a pool.

Summer is the doldrums. For me once basketball ends it is like a two month drought until football begins. I like watching baseball in person but on TV it is just nap inducing.

*Legion* wrote:

Again?

Some folks never learn!

This year you didn't even make it to July! Next year, try and get it in before Memorial Day. We should hold a pool.

Yes, again. It took a lot of restraint to wait this long.

I promise to ask too early next year too.

a) I didn't want to miss it.

b) The search function (or my ability to figure out the tricks to get it to work) on here is not very good.

c) Another site I frequent has been talking about their FF leagues, so I just thought I'd ask.

LeapingGnome wrote:

Summer is the doldrums. For me once basketball ends it is like a two month drought until football begins. I like watching baseball in person but on TV it is just nap inducing.

For me... Spring and Summer are the doldrums. Once football ends it is like a seven month drought until it begins again.

Nevermind. Just read the title.

Just so it's semi-official:

Yes, I will step up to run the leagues again this year (unless, of course, y'all would prefer someone else) and yes, sign-ups will begin around the beginning of training camp. Returning owners will get 7-10 days to reclaim their team and then any holes left will be filled in by expansion teams.

I see no reason to move the leagues from fleaflicker.com (unless they're going to start charging or something).

Grumpicus wrote:

Just so it's semi-official:

Yes, I will step up to run the leagues again this year (unless, of course, y'all would prefer someone else) and yes, sign-ups will begin around the beginning of training camp. Returning owners will get 7-10 days to reclaim their team and then any holes left will be filled in by expansion teams.

I see no reason to move the leagues from fleaflicker.com (unless they're going to start charging or something).

Kindly add my name to the expansion teams list please sir, I am interested.
Mucho Gracias.

Grumpicus wrote:

Just so it's semi-official:

Yes, I will step up to run the leagues again this year (unless, of course, y'all would prefer someone else) and yes, sign-ups will begin around the beginning of training camp. Returning owners will get 7-10 days to reclaim their team and then any holes left will be filled in by expansion teams.

I see no reason to move the leagues from fleaflicker.com (unless they're going to start charging or something).

Thanks Grump!

And, I strongly agree that we should keep the leagues at FleaFlicker... FF ROCKS!!! (Thanks to Legion for originally suggesting it, I believe.)

I'm definitely in favor of staying with FleaFlicker. Still free, and just released a free iPhone app for managing your teams.

My biggest complaint with FleaFlicker right now doesn't apply to normal leagues, but I wish they supported "best ball" style leagues.

I'm all over an expansion team, so sign me up. It's a keeper league?

garion333 wrote:

I'm all over an expansion team, so sign me up. It's a keeper league?

No. It's not a keeper league, but I believe the league can easily move to the next year with the old teams, rather than having to setup all the owners again.

I'd be interested in an expansion team as well if there is one open.